[Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
Ericka
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Sat Oct 3 00:21:45 UTC 2015
LOL! That certainly is one way of looking at things Bob. I actually had decent drivers for the first time in Kenosha Wisconsin that understood with the cane meant. How did they get bright all of the sun and I've lived here for 16 years?
Ericka Short
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> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Bob Hachey via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
> IT is amazing how getting behind the wheel can truly transform some folks
> who seem like fine people into a lower form of life.
> I often put it this way. When many drivers get into the car to drive, they
> turn the a-hole key to the right, to the on position.
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Tardif
> via blindtlk
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 5:35 PM
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> Cc: Mark Tardif
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
>
> Yes, Bob, I think those are good ideas, especially since a lot of drivers
> and even police officers don't even seem to be aware that there are white
> cane laws. It's so true about drivers, too. I used to go to church up here
> with a woman who has since moved to the southern part of the state. As soon
> as we left church and she got behind the wheel, the name-calling would
> start, calling pedestrians and other drivers "dumb bunnies," and making
> snide nasty comments about Canadian drivers, many of whom do come across the
> border to shop here. I never bothered to remind her that she just came out
> of church and might consider listening to what the priest was saying. I
> don't mean to inject religion into this, but it just goes to show what
> happens to some people when they get behind the wheel of a vehicle. They
> become absolutely crazy.
>
>
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Hachey via blindtlk
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 1:25 PM
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> Cc: Bob Hachey
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
>
> Hi Mark,
> I hear you loud and clear. Seems that driving in America is the fourth
> inalienable right, up there with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
> While it is we the pedestrians who have been given this right by law in
> theory, in practice, the rights seem to go to the driver, no matter how
> careless or thoughtless that driver may be.
> Perhaps instead of raising a cane to call attention to ourselves we ought to
> raise Cain, (note spelling) And, I'm not joking.
> I love the idea of White cane day which is coming soon. But I wish we could
> be more successful at getting not just the usual folks from the Commission
> for the Blind involved, but the registry of motor vehicles, local police,
> etc.
> Bob Hachey
>
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> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Tardif
> via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:28 PM
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> Cc: Mark Tardif
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>
> There is something about some people who, when they get behind the wheel,
> turn into creatures you and I wouldn't recognize. Joking, but just barely.
>
>
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Freeman via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 6:52 PM
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> Cc: Mike Freeman
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>
> Arrielle:
>
> I don't worry much about getting cars to conform to a certain behavior
> pattern because (and I'm joking here but not altogether) I consider the very
> act of getting behind the wheel tantamount to lowering one's IQ by fifty
> percent. Put less acidly, I figure I have little-to-no control over what
> cars do so I try to read their behavior as best I can and feel that the
> position my cane is in (other than aggressively sticking it out right as I
> start to cross) will have little influence on driver behavior.
>
> Mike
>
>
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> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 2:04 PM
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> Cc: Arielle Silverman
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>
> Christine does use a cane, the issue is being told to hold the cane up while
> waiting to cross the street, as a signal, then putting it down and crossing
> with it. As to Mike's comment, How do sighted pedestrians signal that they
> are crossing, without a cane or a turn signal? I assume they use some form
> of body language. I consider extending my cane slightly in front of me to be
> an appropriate form of body language. Like Christine I don't see the
> additional value of raising my cane up off the ground. Further, I agree with
> what I think she was saying, which is that we want cars to drive normally
> rather than stopping in the intersection or doing other weird things because
> we are blind. If they depart from normal car behavior, they give us
> confusing information about whether or not it is safe to cross. Of course if
> I am in the middle of crossing I want cars to stop. That goes for any
> pedestrian, blind or sighted.
> Arielle
>
>> On 9/27/15, River Linda via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Are you saying you can see well enough to cross the street without
>> using a cane? Or, you just do not want to use it because you are
>> embarrassed to use it and you do not want the attention from people?
>> The cane is for your safety. As you have described holding your cane
>> vertically off the ground in front of you, the cars coming from behind
>> you will not see your cane. I was taught to keep the cane tip on the
>> ground and hold it out diagonally from you so that cars coming from
>> all
> four directions can see it.
>>
>> As for people grabbing you, you have to tell them how you want to be
>> treated. When people grab me, I tell them to wait and let me show you
>> how to help me. When people make that comment about me being amazing
>> because I can cut my food and eat it, I simply respond with "you, too".
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 26, 2015, Szostak, Christine via blindtlk <
>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Ok, this might be a very odd question, but I was just thinking
>>> about this and to me, it seems really illogical.
>>>
>>> When I was getting O&M to help with transitioning to a cane, every
>>> time we stopped at a curb to cross a street, the instructor would
>>> have me hold the cane directly in front of me and hold it up in the
>>> air vertically about
>>> 2-3 or so inches off the ground. The explanation given to me for this
>>> was so that others would see that I am blind and am using a cane.
>>>
>>> The reasons that this seems a bit odd to me as a good practice are:
>>>
>>> 1) I do not want a car to stop at a stop sign and wait for me to
>>> cross as I have always been taught not to trust in drivers that say,
>>> go ahead I will wait because they may not see other cars coming that
>>> could hit me if I follow their advice. Also, just because they stop,
>>> it does not mean that they see you so the signal you are assuming
>>> they are giving you, may not be the case.
>>>
>>> 2) I do not necessarily want to bring attention to my blindness.
>>>
>>> 3) I tend to look younger than I am and thus people, to my
>>> consternation, always try to grab my arm... to help me. When I was
>>> in training for one of my prior guides, my instructor always joked
>>> that I was a really touchable person because total strangers would
>>> try to drag me across the street since they just assumed that I did
>>> not know how to cross a street with a light:). This happens to me,
>>> regardless of whether it is with traffic or even in places like
>>> restaurants, total strangers will frequently grab my arm, put their
>>> arms around my shoulders... and tell me how amazing I am to be eating
>>> so well:). Since I really do not want this type of attention, I tend
>>> not to want to use methods that are likely to induce it:). Since I
>>> could see holding a cane in the air as one good way to get this type
>>> of attention, I am not overly eager to keep up this practice.
>>>
>>> Thus, do others here hold up their canes while standing on curbs
>>> and if so, what has been your experience with respect to the above
>>> issues? I really, personally do not like this practice as it would
>>> seem to me that if you are a competent traveler who follows the rules
>>> of the pedestrian and knows what you are doing, then you should not
>>> need to do this as it simply tells someone, this person is blind so
>>> stop and wait for them as they will not be a safe traveler or is
>>> trying to signal that they need your help.
>>> Perhaps I am completely misunderstanding the point of doing this but
>>> I just really feel like this is an out-of-date practice, one that
>>> tries to heavily point out blindness which would seem to lead to
>>> increasing the stigma rather than showing that we are competent
>>> individuals, and something that could actually be dangerous rather
>>> than helpful to a cane traveler.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can understand this type of practice if you want for some reason
>>> to indicate that you are blind or have a VI (i.e., when you are
>>> concerned that you may trip... and do not want individuals to just
>>> think that you are
>>> clumsy...) so please know that I am not trying to discount these
>>> types of situations rather it is just on the curb side if you are
>>> just trying to cross the street and have any of the above three
>>> reasons for not wanting to do so that I am asking about and feeling
>>> this
> way about.
>>> Happy weekend all!
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Dr. Christine M. Szostak
>>> Assistant Professor of Psychology
>>> Department of Social Sciences
>>> Shorter University
>>> Rome, Georgia
>>> szostak.1 at osu.edu <javascript:;><mailto:szostak.1 at osu.edu
>>> <javascript:;>> cszostak at shorter.edu <javascript:;>
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