[Blindtlk] Uncollated and Unbound Braille Material

Judy Jones sonshines59 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 11 15:00:43 UTC 2016 

The job of the pharmacist/company is to get medicine to the consumer ASAP.  The pharmacist/company is not a trained transcriber, and the more important thing is to get the information to you in a written format you can utilize.

If a sighted person found mismatched or uncolated materials, they would sigh, be slightly annoyed, and organize the paperwork themselves, then probably have forgotten the whole episode by the end of the day.

Judy


-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 9:39 PM
To: S L Johnson; Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Uncollated and Unbound Braille Material

In a perfect world, yes braille would be perfectly printed and collated, staples etc. However in the print world as stated things are just shoved in a bag and nobody proofread anything for the sighted world. I agree that we should be happy braille medication labels and information is in existence. Welcome to the real world here. The real world of misprints, duplicate copies, missing information, and miss information. As long as the medication in the bottle and the medication on the paperwork is the same you have what you need. I'd be more concerned if you had the wrong medication in the bottle than the label or the wrong strength. That can be more dangerous than a misspelling. 

In short, we do have equity – everyone has missed spellings and poorly printed information. Deal with it.


Ericka 

 from my iPhone 6s

> On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:23 PM, S L Johnson via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I can speak to this a bit because my local pharmacist and I have been 
> discussing how to get the Braille prescription labels for me.  As I 
> understand it, the pharmacies who use the system to provide Braille 
> labels get a printer to hook up to their computer system.  That prints 
> out the labels and any accompanying information just like the print 
> papers given to the sighted public.  Those pharmacists do not know 
> Braille nor do they have proof readers on staff every time a blind 
> person orders their meds.  Their job is to get the medications out to 
> you as soon as possible.  They do not have the time to send the 
> document out to be proof read and bound.  Also, that would cost way to 
> much money just to fill a prescription.  As for the sighted, all they 
> get is a bunch of papers thrown into their bag along with their meds.  
> They are not collated or stapled in any particular order.  I think you 
> are asking too much for prescription information.  If it were an 
> important  lengthy document, then I can see making a fuss but for the 
> stuff that comes with your prescriptions, you are making too much out 
> of it.  Be glad that we now have this information available to us.  Things might not be perfect but it is a lot better than it used to be.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Donahue via blindtlk
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 11:20 AM
> To: steve.jacobson at visi.com ; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Peter Donahue
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Uncollated and Unbound Braille Material
> 
> Hello Steve and everyone,
> 
>     As previously mentioned we've been to national conventions and 
> have been given Braille material that first needed to be put in order 
> before it could be read. It's still the NFB's responsibility to be an 
> example of how Braille should be presented to the blind. The Education 
> Service Center, the Via Metropolitan Transit Authority, and the San 
> Antonio Lighthouse for the Blind deliver Braille publications colated, 
> bound, and ready to read. Nothing less will do! All the best.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Jacobson via blindtlk wrote:
>> Peter,
>> 
>> While I tend to agree with Brian and Mike, I would like to propose 
>> some thoughts on this and see what your reaction is.  Your statement 
>> that sighted people wouldn't accept documents that are not collated 
>> really doesn't apply to this directly.  For example, the information 
>> I have seen that accompanies a prescription in print is not colated 
>> at all.  In fact, how it is printed is not all that consistent.  We 
>> routinely receive information in the mail that consists of multiple 
>> sheets of information, sometimes folded together, but not bound.  
>> Printed prescription information is sometimes on the label attached 
>> to the bottle and sometimes also on a sheet from which the bottle 
>> label was printed.  Such documents are printed and mailed quickly 
>> along with the order.  They often are not even stapled in my 
>> experience.
>> 
>> As you know, one of the issues we have is that braille takes up more 
>> space and is printed on heavier paper.  This can mean that what we 
>> receive in braille may well be more of a document than text printed 
>> on a couple of unbound print pages.  This means that the people 
>> making these decisions are not even going to think in terms of 
>> binding documents since it is not at all a consideration for their 
>> print documents.  Further, those producing braille are likely going 
>> to have a flat charge for binding that is based more on the number of 
>> volumes rather than the number of pages.  Therefore, binding a small 
>> document as are prescription warnings, is going to add significantly 
>> to the cost of brailling each document.
>> 
>> Therefore, it seems to me that we have to be careful about drawing 
>> the parallels you draw between collating print and braille documents 
>> and give some consideration if it is worth the increased cost of 
>> making braille available in all cases.  With all of the issues that 
>> face us, I just can't see mounting a national campaign, especially 
>> when you will probably read the document once and throw it away.  We 
>> just have to think these things through.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Steve Jacobson
>>  I
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Peter Donahue via blindtlk
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 10:32 PM
>> To: 'National Association to Promote the Use of Braille Mailing List'
>> <napub at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Uncollated and Unbound Braille Material
>> 
>> Good evening everyone,
>> 
>> 
>>                 This afternoon, in addition to receiving two 
>> prescription medicines from CVS/Caremark Mail Order Service, I also 
>> received some braille documentation describing the dangers and the 
>> side effects of the two medicines. While I appreciated CVS/Caremark 
>> including the subscription information in braille, the pages were 
>> unbound and uncollated. Would we stand for that if we were sighted? 
>> Absolutely not!
>> 
>> 
>>                 Needless to say, I called CVS/Caremark Customer Service.
>> There was not much the representative could do, so she transferred me 
>> to one of her managers named Orion. Orion sent an email directly to 
>> the pharmacy since the pharmacy was responsible for packing and 
>> shipping the medicines to me.
>> 
>> 
>>                 We have received such unbound and uncollated 
>> documentation from our local transit service, and for the past year, 
>> any documentation we receive has been collated and bound properly. In 
>> addition, when the Texas Division of Blind Services was the Texas 
>> Commission for the Blind, I received an unbound, uncollated document. 
>> Even NFB has given out uncollated, unbound documentation at national 
>> conventions.
>> 
>> 
>>                 I strongly urge that if any of you use CVS/Caremark 
>> as your subscription drug provider, or if you receive braille 
>> documentation from any other groups, please call and/or send them a 
>> letter or email. We do not need to tolerate unbound, uncollated 
>> pages. I know if I transcribed and proofread such documentation, I 
>> would make sure the pages were collagted and bound before shipping.
>> 
>> 
>>                 At any rate, those are my two cents on this matter. 
>> Here's
>> hoping you enjoy the rest of your weekend!
>> 
>> 
>> Mary Donahue
>> 
>> 
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