[Blindtlk] [Bltlk] UBER DRIVER FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES

Sat Jul 30 15:53:28 UTC 2016

I think we are on common ground about that one, good training would make 
things a whole lot easier for everyone involved.

Mark Tardif
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Fair enough. I agree, some training is in order.
It would make things easier.

Justin

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I understand your point.  But I think it would be easier for all concerned
if drivers were informed during the interview process that yes, there will
be times when you will pick up passengers with guide dogs and other service
animals and questioned as to whether that would be a problem for that
driver.  And then, if the potential driver is offered a position, that that
driver undergo rigorous training about how to handle such situations and how
these service animals work in our culture.  I would find it interesting to
hear some legal experts in this area of law, just to get a sense of how they
would view this kind of conundrum.

Mark Tardif
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We can if it violates the ADA.  Uber is a public private service.
He can practice it all he wants too as long as he's willing to pay the fine
and lose his job.
Justin

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Unfortunately, there are certain religious groups that view dogs almost the
way we would view rats in our culture.  I'm not sure what the solution is,
because we can't really prohibit someone from practicing their religion,
that might be seen as unconstitutional, but it does seem that this may be a
way of making a living that some people who feel that way, whether on
religious grounds or not, might not consider trying, because inevitably you
will be asked to pick up people with guide dogs.  That's the nature of the
beast, (pardon the terrible pun), and either you don't try for that kind of
employment or serious cultural training needs to happen, showing that guide
dogs are not only legal and important, but generally clean and well-behaved.

Mark Tardif
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Hey!

Wasn't there an official ruling handed down earlier this year that any
driver who refused to transport a service animal would be kicked out of
Uber?  Wasn't the NFB going to be testing things out and DC and elsewhere to
be sure of compliance? I'm surprised this issue hasn't made it to 60
__MINUTES yet. And, if this driver wants to stand behind herself, I don't
notice she is putting up much of a fight-not that I care what she has to
say..

I remember two incidents on __PEOPLE'S __COURT where cab drivers were taken
to court for refusing to transport guide dogs. I only heard the first case
all the way through. From what I remember, the Middle-Eastern cab driver
insisted it was on account of religion, and Judge Wapner did not buy it.
Even though he lost horribly, all the driver had to say to the commentator
upon exiting was, "I guess he did not buy my story." I notice he did not
bother to site why, according to his beliefs, it was supposedly not allowed.

Again, not that I think any excuse is valid, I notice that so far, I have
not heard of any of these drivers really getting out and fighting for their
own rights. Perhaps they realize underneath that they are being stupid.

Chaim

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>
>
> Good question. Probably no training at all.
>
> Ericka Short
> "What is right is not always popular; what is popular is not always
> right."
>
>  from my iPhone 6s
>
> > On Jul 25, 2016, at 12:18 AM, Annely Rose via bltlk
> > <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > And there was another incident in Orlando, Florida last week with a
> > Uber driver refusing a ride for a Lighthouse Central Florida
> > employee and her dog who were taking some vision impaired kids on an
> > outing.  A 10-year-old girl, who was on TV, had to witness these
> > actions.  I believe the driver was suspended while being
> > investigated. That's a second one in Orlando, Florida since the NFB
> > convention.  Where is the training of these drivers?
> >
> > Annely
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Sun, 7/24/16, Jessica Reed via bltlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Bltlk] UBER DRIVER FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES
> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: "Jessica Reed" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>,
> > "david.andrews at nfbnet.org" <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>, "David Andrews"
> > <dandrews at visi.com>
> > Date: Sunday, July 24, 2016, 10:00 PM
> >
> > Fantastic! Please keep us
> > updated!
> >
> > Sent from my
> > iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 24, 2016, at
> > 9:20 PM, David Andrews via bltlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> NEWS RELEASE
> >> FOR
> > IMMEDIATE USE
> >> FROM: Tennessee
> > Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> DATE:
> > July 18, 2016
> >> TO: All Media
> >> RE: Criminal Case Against Uber Driver
> >> CONTACT:
> >> James
> > Boehm
> >> 901-483-1515
> > secretary at nfb-tn.org
> >>
> >> UBER DRIVER FACES
> > CRIMINAL CHARGES
> > On April 28, 2016, James Boehm and his guide dog Shep were left
> > stranded at an animal hospital in Murfreesboro, TN. An Uber driver
> > defiantly squealed away, refusing to transport the guide dog team
> > home.
> >>
> >> "I was distraught and infuriated all
> > at once!" stated Mr. Boehm, who filed a police report with the
> > Rutherford County sheriff's department. After an investigation, the
> > state Attorney filed charges against Rolonda Douglas. The hearing is
> > scheduled for August 9th,
> > 2016 at 8:00 a.m. at the Rutherford County Judicial Building located
> > at 20 North Public Square.
> >>
> >> "This case is so important because it
> > sets a precedent for all Uber, Lyft, or other taxi drivers," says
> > James Boehm.  "If they discriminate against a service animal user,
> > the violators will be prosecuted."
> >>
> >> Members of the National Federation of the
> > Blind of Tennessee and their guide dogs, along with other service
> > dog users from around the state plan to attend the hearing to
> > support the cause. "Such incidents occur far too often and we want
> > to present a strongeaunited front in support of this case," says
> > james Brown, president of the NFB of Tennessee. "We want to make a
> > statement that such discrimination is not acceptable.
> >
> >> Not only does the Americans with
> > Disabilities Act make it clear that disabled individuals have the
> > right to be accompanied by a service dog, Tennessee statute 62.7.112
> > strengthens the ADA by providing criminal penalties for such
> > discrimination. As a Class C misdemeanor, violating the civil rights
> > of a disabled person accompanied by a service dog is punishable by
> > up to 30 days in jail and/or a fine of up to $50. (The entire text
> > of the Tennessee statute accompanies this release.)
> >> # # #
> >>
> >>
> >> About the National
> > Federation of the Blind
> >>
> >>           The National Federation of
> > the Blind is the oldest and largest organization of the blind in the
> > United States. The NFB knows that blindness is not the
> > characteristic that defines you or your future.
> > Every day we raise the expectations of blind people because low
> > expectations are the obstacles between blind people and our dreams.
> > You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you
> > back. The Federation provides scholarships to blind students;
> > support for those who are blind or losing their eyesight; advocacy
> > for the blind facing discrimination; and educational programs for
> > the general public on topics of blindness. The NFB is not an
> > organization that speaks on behalf of the blind; we are the blind
> > speaking for ourselves.
> >>
> >> About NAGDU
> >     The Tennessee Association of Guide Dog Users (TAGDU) is a strong
> > and proud division of the National Association of Guide Dog Users.
> > The National Association of Guide dog Users is the nation's leading
> > membership organization for blind people who use guide dogs.  NAGDU
> > is a strong and proud division of the National Federation of the
> > Blind.
> > NAGDU conducts public awareness campaigns on issues of guide dog
> > use, provides advocacy support for guide dog handlers who face
> > discrimination, supports sound policy and effective legislation to
> > protect the rights of guide dog users, offers educational programs
> > to school and civic organizations, and functions as an integral part
> > of the National Federation of the Blind. For more information about
> > the National Association of Guide Dog Users and to support their
> > work, you can visit their website at
> >>
> >> <http://www.nagdu.org/>HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
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