[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
Carly Mihalakis
carlymih at comcast.net
Sun May 1 13:21:45 UTC 2016
Good morning, Cindy,
In my experience of flash sonar, any
environmental noise matters not while gleaning a reliable sound picture.
Car
I Robin via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
wrote: > Regarding the instruction of
EchoLocation (i.e., FlashSonar), 2 of the people
I hear who train people in its use are Justin
Louchart and Daniel Kish. > > Daniel Kish is
probably the individual, who demonstrated cycling
using EchoLocation (i.e., FlashSonar). > > I've
heard he has established a NonProfit Organization
in Southern California (World Access for the
Blind), and frequently travels the world teaching
its use. He is also the individual, who taught
Ben Underwood, who Passed Away. > > What is more
"socially acceptable" a White Cane or a GuideDog,
a White Cane or "Tongue Clicking, Tongue Clicking
or a GuideDog? I say whatever works although it
would greatly enhance an individual's repitoire
if he/she possessed at least 2 of the 3 Mobility
skills to rely on. This is just my personal
opinion. I don't really care if it is "socially
acceptable" or not > > At 04:01 AM 9/8/2014, you
wrote: >> They make clickers that are
mechanical. they aren't electronic, just a
piece of metal bent in such a way that when you
push it, it makes a click sound. they cost about
$1 and can be found in any pet store. they were
first used in dolphin training, but are now used
in all sorts of animal training. I'm not sure
that it's much more socially acceptable to go
around clicking one of these things than it would
be to do the tongue click though. Probably a bit,
but I still think you'd look odd unless you had a
dog along that you were training. I'd also like
to add a note about the concept of socially
acceptable. the cane is considered socially
acceptable because we, blind folks, have made it
so. If, instead many moons ago, ancient blind
folks decided that the click noise was the way to
go and used that and educated sighted folks on
that, then the clicks would be what is socially
acceptable. It's all in the history and the
perception. There is nothing more or less weird
about the clicking. It's just not what we are
used to. If all blind people everywhere decided
to use exclusively echolocation and use clicking,
it would soon become the norm and socially
acceptable. Just sayin' Julie -----Original
Message----- From: Steve Jacobson via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:25 PM To:
Christine Olivares via blindtlk Subject: Re:
[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works Part of the
challenge is that one feels a little conspicuous
clicking sometimes as that is sometimes
associated with other developmental
disabilities. It is too bad in a way because it
is effective. I have found that I can get some
of the same information, though, from the tapping
of my cane, snapping my fingers, and from
rattling keys. I have sometimes thought that
some sort of electronic sound source could be
developed that could be even more effective and
also more socially acceptable. Best regards,
Steve Jacobson On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 20:23:10 -0400,
Christine Olivares via blindtlk wrote: >Hello
all, >I have a totally blind friend who uses echo
location but he does not click. >He will use his
foot and stamp on the ground or floor. On the
other hand, >my husband is also blind and he
doesn’t need to click with his tongue. He
can “hear†buildings or objects
approach, which would prevent him from running
into them. In college, we had to cross a
driveway. when I was with him, I would ask,
“Is there a car today?†Nine times out
of ten he could tell if a car was blocking the
path, which I could see so I could verify it. >I
think different people can access this echo
location different ways, and >maybe it is just
easier for some people to click. I can’t
judge it as I don’t >have this skill. >God
bless, >Christine >On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:53 PM,
Larry Wayland via blindtlk ><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
wrote: >> Yes, object perception works, but I
don't think it works to the point >> some >> of
these people who clame to use echoLocation does.
I agree the tapping >> of >> the cane should work
just as well and be much more
acceptable. >> >> >> >> -----Original
Message----- >> From: blindtlk
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Judy >> Jones >> via blindtlk >> Sent: Sunday,
September 07, 2014 6:26 PM >> To: Chris Nusbaum;
Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject: Re:
[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works >> >> To my
mind, the clicking required is not socially
acceptable. I'm a firm >> believer in object
perception, though, and that it works. Plus the
fact, >> the tapping of a cane can substitute for
clicking. Just my opinion. >> >> Judy >> >> >>
-----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum
via blindtlk >> Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014
3:49 PM >> To: 'Larry Wayland' ; 'Blind Talk
Mailing List' >> Subject: [Blindtlk]
Echolocation: How it Works >> >> I don't get it,
but I know people who have attained quite a bit
of skill >> in >> echolocation. According to Dan
Kish, a personal friend and one of the >>
people >> who pioneered the concept, it's a
learned skill and not a natural talent. >> >>
-----Original Message----- >> From: blindtlk
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Larry >> Wayland via blindtlk >> Sent: Saturday,
September 06, 2014 11:22 PM >> To: 'Bryan
Schulz'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List' >> Subject:
Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.):
Bringing the right >> attitude out >> >> Some of
the clames I have heard about EchoLocation is, in
my opinion, way >> above the capability of the
human ear. This is probably going to be >>
another >> one of these false things we have to
explain all the time along with not >> having
super hearing, identifying dollar bills, and
colors by touch. >> Larry >> -----Original
Message----- >> From: blindtlk
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bryan >> Schulz via blindtlk >> Sent: Saturday,
September 06, 2014 12:34 PM >> To: Carly
Mihalakis; Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject:
Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.):
Bringing the right >> attitude out >> >>
hi, >> >> when sighted people didn't understand
why you were clucking, did anyone >> ask >> if
you lay eggs? >> even i have learned that it is
better for someone to see you with a cane >>
instead of looking like a drunk! >> Bryan
Schulz >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>
From: "Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk"
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org> >> To: "Christine Olivares"
<rafael4490 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing >>
List" >> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Marsha"
<marcatony at yahoo.com>; "Blind Talk >> Mailing >>
List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> >> Cc: "Eric Calhoun"
<eric at pmpmail.com> >> Sent: Saturday, September
06, 2014 9:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk]
Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
right >> attitude out >> >> >>> Good morning,
Christine, >>> >>> In elementary school
although I am a total, I, too, never used >>> a
cane finding that my orientation of the schools
lay-out, coupled >>> with echolocation was enough
to get me around. I bet you also have >>> pretty
refined echolocation? >>> for today, Car >>>
impairment and don't always use a cane. As I have
mentioned, I am from >>> a small town born and
raised. This means I am very familiar with my >>>
surroundings so I don't always use my cane.
Judging someone because >>> he/she is blind is
ridiculous. >>> >>>> I think this whole thing of
asking someone to move is awful unless >>>> it's
an emergency. I think we should never judge
someone. How would >>>> you like if someone
didn't see your cane and said, "Oh, you're
not >>>> blind." Eric, would you like that? I
don't think you would appreciate >>>> being
judged, assume this woman was blind. Not only
that, but she is a >> woman for Gosh sakes. >>>>
Where is the respect men should give women?
Chivalry has gone right >>>> out the window, but
that's a discussion for another day. >>>> >>>>
God bless, >>>> Christine >>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at
7:08 AM, Marsha via blindtlk
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>
HI >>>>> Since when does not having a cane mean
that you aren't >>>> blind. Very very
judgmental. >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>>
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