[Blindtlk] Driverless Cars

Mon Jan 2 19:29:14 UTC 2017

Wow, never thought of that, great idea!  It happens so seldom, it never
occurs to me.  Will tell my husband about this.

Thanks.

Judy

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Judy, the garage door issue is usually solvable by adding a sun guard to the
sensors. I slide a half of a toilet paper core over each sensor. They are
usually mounted on the door rails about 1 foot off the ground. In the winter
the sensor on the west side needs the shade. In the summer the sensor on the
east side of the door needs the shade.
I hope this is helpful.
Paul Weingartner

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Very good advice.  This brings up another question I was wrongly assuming.

I was thinking that there might also need to be some kind of interactivity
with the roadways, but now, I believe my assumption was false.  That being
the case, a driverless car could perform on any road, but I think these need
to be tested on curvy mountain roads with switchbacks, as well as the wide,
straight highway, dirt roads, etc.

Also, if the driverless capability is inserted in to off-road vehicles, that
will be interesting testing as well.

This also may not be the greatest of comparisons, but makes me wonder.  Here
it is.  On sunny days, if one opens our garage around 1:15 or 1:20 in the
afternoon, because of the angle of the sun, our door will not close, as it
think it is detecting an object.  What is happening is that the sun is
hitting in such a way that a shadow is thrown across the sensor eye of the
automatic opener.  The solution to the problem is waiting till around ten to
two, then the door closes with no problem, as the angle of the sun is
slightly changed.  Weird? Yes,  Had our house been built at a slightly
different angle, this probably would not be an issue.  Even with all our
garage activity, we only deal with this 2 or 3 times a year.

Having said all this, is the driverless technology capable of distinguishing
a road shadow or a puddle from an object?  I would like to know how much
testing is actually happening and how much more to go.

Judy

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Hello, Jen. Let me offer a contrary point of view, one that is more in line
with yours. I have no crystal ball, but the people from Google and other
developers of self-driving cars believe they will be on the road by 2020.
Uber believes they will be on the road very soon. I see all kinds of
scenarios in which it is judged that the computer will be less responsive
than the human being, and I find myself surprised by this. Certainly there
are plenty of scenarios to test for, but once you teach the computer, it
will not forget, become distracted, or decide that driving is monotonous and
that it should put its resources elsewhere. Why do we assume that a human
being will be more perceptive about a child running out into the street than
a computer which is constantly on watch for such things?

I am delighted to be a human being and thank God for the complexity of the
brain He has given me. Still, I think it is traditional for human beings to
question what makes us unique from other animals and now even unique from
machines. We are perfectly willing to concede that a machine can do faster
calculations than we can do and do them with more accuracy. We are willing
to concede that they do not get bored. Still, we cling to the belief that it
is we who can deal with more complex situations and that our innate
reverence for human life will make us better drivers. I think we must wait
for the future to determine this, for it is not our reverence for human life
that is in question but our ability to pay attention to small details and
have ways to react to the unexpected.

I do not know whether at sixty-one I will ever have the opportunity to own
or operate a self-driving vehicle. What I do know is that having one will
increase my independence. With a self-driving vehicle I will determine how
early to start out for an appointment and when I want to leave it. With uber
and other ride services, I have more control than I once did, but I can tell
you that there have been far too many times in my life when I was made late
by a family member who did not see the same urgency to get to a family
reunion as I did or who wanted to leave earlier than I did.

Bryan Schulz is right when he says that we are going to have to have a
number of laws changed in order to have this technology accepted. when an
accident happens, we want somebody to blame. It is our nature to have to
find fault. So, if it can be determined that a self-driving car caused an
accident or could have reasonably avoided one that a human would have, who
pays? I take Solis in the fact that insurance companies are one of the
driving forces behind the development of autonomous vehicles; they believe
that machines will eventually be safer drivers than humans. 

So, Jen, at the risk of giving you false hope, which I was given when I was
sixteen years old, there may indeed be hope that one day you will be able to
own your own vehicle, go when you want to go and where you want to go, and
the presence of that very vehicle may allow you to get to and from
employment that is physically impossible now. Don't hold your breath; don't
forfeit other training available to you; don't pass up opportunities now on
the chance that something big will change in the near future. The only thing
I suggest is that you keep an open mind and that you follow the
technological developments as they appear in the mainstream press. Like
hawks we follow those things in the news that disturb us; let us at least be
as diligent in following those things that may make our lives better. 

Warmly,

Gary

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Subject: [Blindtlk] Driverless Cars

Hi everyone,

Happy New Year!

What is your opinion of driver-less cars? Personally, I can't wait for their
arrival on the road! I'm totally blind from birth and would like the chance
to drive, just to feel what it feels like. My best friend, who happens to be
sighted, feels otherwise though.

How about you?

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