[Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 133, Issue 4
Patrick Gormley
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Wed Jul 5 01:14:25 UTC 2017
Judy jaws doesn't work with Microsoft edge just like Window-eyes doesn't
either. Most of the windows apps don't either that's the reason I plan on
jumping to nvda because it along with the latest version of narrator works
quite well.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Does Anybody Know? (Judy Jones)
2. Re: Does Anybody Know? (Steve Jacobson)
3. Re: Does Anybody Know? (Judy Jones)
4. Re: BARD Issue (Mark Tardif)
5. Re: Blind Flyer Rights (Mark Tardif)
6. Re: BARD Issue (Jude DaShiell)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 08:25:09 -0600
From: "Judy Jones" <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
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Aha! However, I have not heard of any other screen reader being more
user-friendly with Edge. Try accessing your site with Internet Explorer or
Firefox.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle
Ledet via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Danielle Ledet
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
JAWS and I parted many years ago by way of force.
On 7/2/17, Judy Jones via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I did not think Edge was accessible with Jaws. Are you normally an
> Edge user?
>
> Judy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Danielle Ledet via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List; ACB-L at acblists.org
> Cc: Danielle Ledet
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
>
> How to get back to your history using MS Edge? I can get there but it
> only shows me my downloads. I need to get back to the ACB agenda for
> the Convention so I can copy that little calendar at the very end. I
> should've done that yesterday but I did not and can't find it on the
> Convention homepage as of this morning.
>
> --
> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
> have been all of these.
> George Washington Carver
> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 10:21:08 -0500
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
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Judy,
Actually, NVDA is supposed to work pretty good with Edge as does Microsoft
Narrator if one has at least the Windows 10 anniversary edition. I'm not
saying it is as accessible as is Internet Explorer, but some have found
advantages with Edge.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
via blindtlk
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 9:25 AM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
Aha! However, I have not heard of any other screen reader being more
user-friendly with Edge. Try accessing your site with Internet Explorer or
Firefox.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle
Ledet via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Danielle Ledet
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
JAWS and I parted many years ago by way of force.
On 7/2/17, Judy Jones via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I did not think Edge was accessible with Jaws. Are you normally an
> Edge user?
>
> Judy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Danielle Ledet via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List; ACB-L at acblists.org
> Cc: Danielle Ledet
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
>
> How to get back to your history using MS Edge? I can get there but it
> only shows me my downloads. I need to get back to the ACB agenda for
> the Convention so I can copy that little calendar at the very end. I
> should've done that yesterday but I did not and can't find it on the
> Convention homepage as of this morning.
>
> --
> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
> have been all of these.
> George Washington Carver
> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 10:15:36 -0600
From: "Judy Jones" <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
To: <steve.jacobson at visi.com>, "'Blind Talk Mailing List'"
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
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Thank you for that bit of education. I will have to try it.
Judy
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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Jacobson via blindtlk
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:21 AM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
Judy,
Actually, NVDA is supposed to work pretty good with Edge as does Microsoft
Narrator if one has at least the Windows 10 anniversary edition. I'm not
saying it is as accessible as is Internet Explorer, but some have found
advantages with Edge.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
via blindtlk
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 9:25 AM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
Aha! However, I have not heard of any other screen reader being more
user-friendly with Edge. Try accessing your site with Internet Explorer or
Firefox.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle
Ledet via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Danielle Ledet
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
JAWS and I parted many years ago by way of force.
On 7/2/17, Judy Jones via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I did not think Edge was accessible with Jaws. Are you normally an
> Edge user?
>
> Judy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Danielle Ledet via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List; ACB-L at acblists.org
> Cc: Danielle Ledet
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Does Anybody Know?
>
> How to get back to your history using MS Edge? I can get there but it
> only shows me my downloads. I need to get back to the ACB agenda for
> the Convention so I can copy that little calendar at the very end. I
> should've done that yesterday but I did not and can't find it on the
> Convention homepage as of this morning.
>
> --
> How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
> tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
> have been all of these.
> George Washington Carver
> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:57:34 -0400
From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] BARD Issue
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I will try it, thank you much.
Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Andrews via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 8:44 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: David Andrews
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] BARD Issue
With that combo, when you start download, you
normally would hit alt-n for notification area,
and tab to open or save, if you keep tabbing you
can get to where you direct the download. It
should then remember once you get it set right.
Dave
At 07:13 PM 7/2/2017, you wrote:
>I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer. Mark Tardif Nuclear arms will not
>hold you. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews via blindtlk Sent:
>Saturday, July 01, 2017 9:58 PM To: Blind Talk Mailing List Cc: David
>Andrews Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] BARD Issue What version of windows do you
>have, and what browser. Windows generally puts stuff in a folder called
>downloads in windows 10 choose this pc, and you can down arrow to it. Dave
>At 07:54 PM 6/30/2017, you wrote: >Hi fellow Federationists. We are
>getting close to National Convention >time, and I have a question not
>related to the convention. I am an avid >user of BARD and have come up
>against a challenge. I don????t remember how >I did this years ago, but ut
>managed to get my downloads to automatically go >to my book folder, which I
>entitled Book Folder on my desktop. What an >original title, right?
>Anyway, I recently had my computer repaired and now >when I download books,
>the titles end up who knows where on the hard drive. >I don????t seem to
>see a choice of folders. I hit enter ar at the ????Save >As????? prompt
>and tab a couple of of times and get a prompt called ????Hide
> >Folders????????? but there seems to be no choice of folders. Is it
>possible I >have too many books in my book folder? If not, I????d like to
>know how I >can make sure titles go bo back into my book folder. Thank you
>in advance and >see you at Convention. Mark Tardif Nuclear arms will
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 22:07:35 -0400
From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Blind Flyer Rights
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It can be confusing because airline personnel have been known to tell
passengers contradictory things and often cannot back up what they say when
challenged. That happened to me once when carrying a rigid fiberglass cane.
Three days after that flight I called NFB governmental staff and found that
indeed, one must be able to place the cane flat on the floor against the
wall of that row or in a bulkhead seat have it standing up straight against
the bulkhead. I now avoid these problems by traveling with an NFB
telescoping cane and placing it in the seat pocket in front of me. My
understanding has always been that when going through security, the cane
goes ahead of you and then you walk in a straight line hopefully noe
touching the sides of the metal detector.
Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Jones via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:37 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Cc: Judy Jones
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Blind Flyer Rights
This may be just me, but when going through security, you are only walking a
few yards in a straight line, so relinquishing the cane for that short
amount of time is fine. It would be another story if I were asked to give
up the cane on the flight; that I will no way do. My rejoinder if asked,
would be, will you give up your glasses?
I've flown all over the country and overseas, and never faced this problem.
In my lifetime of using canes, I have used many different kinds, all the way
from the rigid fiberglass cane up through my present cane, a telescopic NFB
cane.
Judy
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via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 4:14 PM
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ellana Crew
Subject: [Blindtlk] Blind Flyer Rights
Hello there,
Does anybody have any definitive information about what the rights of blind
flyers really are? I have heard so many mixed messages online and I would
like to know for sure, especially if you can provide sources such as links
to where this information is documented.
I'm fairly certain blind travelers have the right to keep the canes with
them in the plane during the entire flight process as long as it is flat on
the ground between the seat in the wall of the fuselage, but what about
security? Is there an official stance on this? I have been told by some that
I am not obligated to go through the metal detector without my cane, and I
have heard that canes must be put through the scanner and given back to me
before I am allowed to go through the metal detector with my cane safely
returned to my hand, but I have heard others say that the canes will set off
metal detectors and must be put through the scanners and I must walk through
the metal detector without it. Even more confusing still, I have also heard
some say that you can go through the metal detector with your cane but that
there is a hand device they will use to scan the cane once you are through
the metal detector. I have also heard someone mention that straight canes
can go through the metal detector with you and will not set it off, but that
folding canes will likely set off the metal detector and would likely have
to be put through the scanner or scanned with the hand device after you go
through the metal detector.
Does anybody know for certain what my rights are in security in regards to
my cane? Do I have the right to go through the metal detector using my cane?
Will my straight cane set off the metal detector? What about folding canes?
If my cane sets off the metal detector, will I have to go through the metal
detector again without it? Am I allowed to wait until my cane has gone
through the scanner and has been safely returned to my hand before I stepped
through the metal detector? Or are they supposed to let me go through with
my cane and then scan my cane by hand somehow? Where can I find any
documentation of these rights if there are any? I would very much like to
have very definitive answers from people who know for certain so that I can
firstly be more confident in my discussions with security agents, be more
aware of my rights in general, and keep it as a reference for anybody else
who may not know their rights as well.
Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
To: Mark Tardif via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] BARD Issue
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.20.1707032312090.26929 at panix1.panix.com>
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Also, when a file is highlighted you might try hitting the applications
key and examine the context menu that opens up. You might find some
interesting stuff inside that menu. If memory serves shift-f10 does the
same thing too.
On Mon, 3 Jul 2017, Mark Tardif via blindtlk wrote:
> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:57:34
> From: Mark Tardif via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] BARD Issue
>
> I will try it, thank you much.
>
>
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Andrews via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 8:44 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: David Andrews
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] BARD Issue
>
> With that combo, when you start download, you
> normally would hit alt-n for notification area,
> and tab to open or save, if you keep tabbing you
> can get to where you direct the download. It
> should then remember once you get it set right.
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:13 PM 7/2/2017, you wrote:
>> I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer. Mark Tardif Nuclear arms will not
>> hold you. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews via blindtlk
Sent:
>> Saturday, July 01, 2017 9:58 PM To: Blind Talk Mailing List Cc: David
>> Andrews Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] BARD Issue What version of windows do you
>> have, and what browser. Windows generally puts stuff in a folder called
>> downloads in windows 10 choose this pc, and you can down arrow to it.
Dave
>> At 07:54 PM 6/30/2017, you wrote: >Hi fellow Federationists. We are
>> getting close to National Convention >time, and I have a question not
>> related to the convention. I am an avid >user of BARD and have come up
>> against a challenge. I don????t remember how >I did this years ago, but
ut
>> managed to get my downloads to automatically go >to my book folder, which
I
>> entitled Book Folder on my desktop. What an >original title, right?
>> Anyway, I recently had my computer repaired and now >when I download
books,
>> the titles end up who knows where on the hard drive. >I don????t seem to
>> see a choice of folders. I hit enter ar at the ????Save >As????? prompt
>> and tab a couple of of times and get a prompt called ????Hide
>> >Folders????????? but there seems to be no choice of folders. Is it
>> possible I >have too many books in my book folder? If not, I????d like
to
>> know how I >can make sure titles go bo back into my book folder. Thank
you
>> in advance and >see you at Convention. Mark Tardif Nuclear arms will
>> not hold you _______________________________________________ blindtlk
>> mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
>
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