[Blindtlk] Printing labels and envelopes, or finding alternatives?

Sat Mar 4 17:53:23 UTC 2017

Ifit had not been for you and Steve, I doubt that I would have figured it
out, since I started using the Avery downloads.  This info has been of great
help.

Judy

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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Jacobson via blindtlk
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Printing labels and envelopes, or finding
alternatives?

Ellen,

I had the same issue with JAWS 18 although I have not checked to see if the
problem persists with the latest build.  The reason I suggested it might be
a Microsoft bug is that was what was stated on the VFO website about the
extra page problem.  It certainly is possible that JAWS is accessing
information in a way that exposes a Microsoft bug that does not happen with
other screen readers, but as I said earlier, I was unable to get the support
person to provide specific information about the Microsoft bug.  My
experience was the same as yours, that the problem did not happen without
JAWS running, and it also did not happen with Window-Eyes or NVDA.  While
this isn't perhaps a huge problem, I spent a lot of time trying to figure
out what I was doing wrong before I discovered what was happening.
Regardless of who is responsible for the bug, having a screen reader affect
the formatting of a document is just not something I had considered.  We
live and learn that anything is possible.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Ellen via blindtlk
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Printing labels and envelopes, or finding
alternatives?

Steve,

The bug you describe is a JAWS bug in JAWS 16 and JAWS 17. I don't know if
it is present in JAWS 18, since I don't have that on my system.

We finally got it identified as a bug. This problem was not happening, if MS
word documents were opened without JAWS. My problem for a couple of years
has been that documents that were a specific number of pages became a page
longer, when I opened them with JAWS running. As you can imagine, this was
very frustrating, until we figured out that we would have to turn off the
heading and footer setting in JAWS.

Cordially,

Ellen

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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Printing labels and envelopes, or finding
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Judy,

I don't know if this will help you with the alignment problem, but I had
something similar happen where I simply could not get labels to align
correctly.  It turned out that a JAWS setting was causing additional space
to be added at the top of the page, just enough to cause the bottom line to
go onto the next page.  VFO said it was a Microsoft bug, but when I asked my
support contact twice for information on the specific bug so I could contact
Microsoft about it, my question was ignored.  Anyway, The problem was
resolved for me by bringing up Quick Settings while Word is open with JAWS
Key and V, and going down through the settings until you find "Header and
Footer Detection" and unchecking that option.  When I did this, JAWS
actually reported a smaller top margin when one uses the ALT DELETE key.  In
my case, Window-Eyes and NVDA did not cause the same problem but don't have
the same settings options so it is still possible this is a Microsoft bug
rather than a JAWS bug.  If you have a problem set of labels, you could try
printing them with NVDA running to see if that makes a difference, or just
try printing them with the "Header and Footer Detection" checked and then
again with it unchecked.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy Jones via blindtlk
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:23 PM
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Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Printing labels and envelopes, or finding
alternatives?

Hi,

I'm old enough to be one of those blind persons who used and still uses a
typewriter for smaller print jobs, such as sticky-notes. But there is an
easy way to do labels. My go-to site is av]y.com

1. Go to your office store and figure out which size and color avery label
you will need. White are traditionally used.

2. Note the item number, like Avery 5161, as an example.

3. When you get to your computer, go to google and in the search box type
"Download Avery 5161."  Google will take you right to the download page with
Avery. I have tried finding it by going to the avery homepage, but been
unsuccessful, thup, the search to get right to the page.

4. Down load the template to your desktop or whereever you want it on your
computer. When you open up the template, you will see a table with blank
rows and columns. I've usually put the address in column 1 of row 1 for
starters, then cf you want a sheet of the same address, copystpaste into the
other cells on the table.

At work, I have saved several different templates, different labels for
different uses. I probably have about 12 different templates.

It would seem that the easier way would be to create labels in Microsoft
Word, and select the template you want to use, but I have found both at home
and at work, that Microsoft-created labels no longer line up properly and
skip the bottom row of printing on some templates. I have done
trouble-shooting with both Microsoft and Geek Squad, but noone has been able
to figure out why this is.

Before you actually do a large printing, do one sheet and have it checked to
make sure the labels are lining up (the print. I use my Optacon to help me
do this.

If you are creating labels with Microsoft Word, your printer may require you
to use the feed tray. If you are are using the avery template download from
its site, you can place labels face-up in the regular paper tray.

I am not expert, but this is what works for me. I create store labels, and
mailing labels for both work and for our NFB chapter.

Hope all this helps and that you are not too overwhelmed.

BTW, I have purchased Avery business card templates and created cards for
various projects.

Hope all this helps, and you are welcome to write me off-list if you have
any other questions.

Judy
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From: Jim Portillo via bltlk  <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
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CC: portillo.jim at gmail.com
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:55 pm
Subject: [Bltlk] Printing labels and envelopes, or finding alternatives?

>
>
> Howdy everyone,
> 
>  
> 
> I need to see if I can find a good and efficient way of being able to 
> do a personal project.
> 
>  
> 
> I will need to begin doing several mailings.  It won't be a one-time 
> thing either.  This means that I will need to find a good and 
> efficient way of dealing with addressing mailers.  These mailers 
> aren't your typical regular envelopes.  They'll be padded envelopes 
> with
COULDs and papers in them.
> 
> One of the things I was possibly thinking was using labels, where I 
> could use a program like Word to type the address of the recipient and 
> then print it out as a label.  Never having done this before, and not 
> knowing how I'd use my printer, I'm wondering how or if it could be done.
> 
> Is there perhaps a label printer that could be used with a computer?  
> Has anyone used something like that?
> 
>  
> 
> I'm aware that perhaps the most efficient thing to do would be to use 
> a reader or sighted person to address each envelope.  The only reason 
> it wouldn't be so efficient (besides needing to hire one) is because 
> I'd have to wait for us to meet, and I'd have to have the person do 
> several at one time.
> 
> If there's an easier way of doing this, I'd like to know.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> Jim
> 
>  
> 
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