[Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed

Sat Sep 16 00:05:14 UTC 2017

Dear Everyone,
I know this topic is controversial.  I am asking point blank, why we need to
collect information.  It is clear, that the intention is to help them.
Maybe I resent that we want to help people, illegally here.  I, for
instance, was a Teacher of the Visually impaired.  I was itinerate.  Our
democratic Governor discontinued the program, where a school district was
reimbursed 15 hours of reading/assisting time per week.  The districts were
told that they had to pay for their own accommodations.  Of course, the
districts are crying about not having money.  In my last District, the
school district  refused to pay for an Assistant to help me get to the
different schools, like I had before.  That meant that I had to wait in the
heat sometimes for an hour for a bus.  Some of the areas were really bad and
I was afraid of my safety.  The sun hurt my Diabetes and I developed
Irritable Bowel Syndrome to the point, where I had to go on Teacher
disability, even though I would like nothing better than to work.  Yes, I am
angry that we are paying for people, illegally here instead of law abiding
citizens.

Sorry, but I really felt I had to say that.

Marianne

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Jacobson via blindtlk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:19 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed

Mary Ann,

I admire what you and what Laz's family gave up to come here and the efforts
you made to follow the legal path.  The original email didn't open this can
of worms, though, it was opened when  people responded.  The original email
only stated that we wanted to collect information on people effected by this
program to figure out what kind of help they might need.  It did not say
anything about whether those persons should stay or not, whether President
Obama should have started the particular program. Whether it should be voted
upon by Congress, whether tax dollars should or shouldn't be spent or any of
the arguments raised here.  In my state, there are 6,300 people who will be
affected by whatever happens, and this means there could be as many as a
hundred blind people involved.  As far as I no, that is what the initial
request is trying to understand.  The rest of this conversation is what we
have all added to it and we should lay it to rest.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
Haas via blindtlk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:58 PM
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Cc: Marianne Haas <advocate at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed

I totally disagree with you.  There are not as many jobs for blind people in
this country for people who are either americans or people, legally here.
Well, I am sorry that with the original email a can of worms was open..  

Marianne

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
via blindtlk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:32 PM
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Cc: Cindy Ray
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed

I am not moderator, but this, as Steve said, has nothing to do with whether
or not people should use your tax dollars for things. I think that we ought
to stop debating this undebatable issue. It is, at least, undebatable here.
There are other forums to which you can take it. Talk to your Congressional
representatives for starters.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
Haas via blindtlk
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Cc: Marianne Haas <advocate at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed

I agree with you whole heartedly.  I came here legally also. I resent having
to spend any of my tax dollars on people, who are illegally here.  I came
here and studied and then found a job to sponsor me to get my Green Card.
Afterward, I waited five years and then became a citizen.  

Marianne

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laz via
blindtlk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:53 AM
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Cc: Laz
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed

My family was escaping from communism. We had to give up all our property
and possessions in order to leave. It took us that long to do it legally but
then my family tended to always to things legally... As someone who arrived
in this country legally I feel I should have a lot more rights than anyone
who arrived here illegally.

On 9/15/17, Cindy Ray via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> What brought your family here in 1965? By the way, this is not a debate.
> The
> president of the National Federation of the Blind has written asking 
> for this sort of information. People who came here illegally came here 
> to escape oppression and to find ways to make money, and countless 
> other reasons.
> They
> felt pressured and as if they didn't have choices. There are a few who 
> came here escaping being caught for crimes, but mostly not, I think.
> The young people, though, mostly had no say as to what was happening 
> to them. So should they be deported to countries they don't know? I 
> suspect this isn't the place to raise those questions, but the 
> questions are well worth your consideration.
> Cindy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laz 
> via blindtlk
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 11:25 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
>
> Hmm. Really? Why didn't they enter the country legally? I'm asking 
> because I entered the country legally back in 1965 along with my 
> family. I would think I should have more rights than these people who 
> didn't bother to take the necessary and legal steps to enter the 
> country legally... Sounds like they just came in to be a burden on the 
> tax payers and anyone who has ever worked legally is aware of that tax 
> bite on their income. If this was a debate I'm starting to see which 
> side I would fall into on this one
>
> Something about this just doesn't make sense so I'm obviously missing 
> some important facts on this subject.
>
> On 9/15/17, Cindy Ray via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> These are young people who fall under the care of the Deferred Action
> Child
>> Advocacy Act. Many of them came here with parents who did not enter 
>> the country legally; many may have just entered alone, I think, 
>> though don't quote me on this. They have been granted the right to 
>> work and study here.
>> I
>> can't remember the exact meaning of DREAM acronym here. In any case, 
>> the president is trying to remove the DACA Act, thus enabling these 
>> young people, many of whom have never lived anywhere else, to 
>> countries they
> know
>> nothing about. There is more about it, but this is in short.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laz 
>> via blindtlk
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:51 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
>>
>> Okay, I'll bite. What are DREAMers?
>>
>> Laz
>>
>> On 9/15/17, adrijana prokopenko via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> This is coming from the national federation of the blind.
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