[Blindtlk] Judy,RE: A Short Note on the Delta Issue
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Thu Jan 25 03:34:02 UTC 2018
It seems as if the new policy, if implemented (which I doubt it will be) would only require an annual submission of the information.
Marion
Marion Gwizdala, President
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Question. A person from another list I’m on, indicated that her friend has told her that she, as a guide dog user, has to renew her papers every time she flies under these new guidelines. Is that true? Sounds kind of fishy to me. I can’t imagine that Delta would make you show new papers and that the current dog identification cards given by guide dog schools, would be enough proof that our guide dogs are valid service dogs.
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I believe it is the Air Carrier Act that governs what can be brought on a plane by way of service animals, and it is much broader and open in terms of what is covered under the definition. If the ACA were as clear as the ADA, a lot of this nonsense would be cleared up quickly.
Same deal with the Fair Housing Act, which is also much more generous about the allowance of "emotional support animals" in addition to service animals
- it's pretty much anything goes.
Brian M
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I appreciate your input on this issue; however, I would like to respectfully disagree that " the ADA and "service animals," have muddied the water". It is my opinion that the ADA has done just the opposite - it has cleared up the confusion about what is a service animal and what, exactly, are our rights under the law. Prior to the ADA, there were a variety of state-by-state definitions of what constituted a service animal and what our rights were. The ADA has standardized this a bit by offering a clearer definition of "service animal" and standardizing such things as the lack of necessity for identification. Just because there are those unscrupulous individuals who misrepresent their ill-behaved pet as a service dog is not a reason to blame this issue on other disabled individuals who benefit from the work of a service dog.
To specifically address the question of identification, it is a very clear fact that more than 10% of the members who attend the NAGDU annual meetings each year are owner-trainers who will not have a program-issued identification card. Should they be denied access because they trained their own dogs? On the same note, many of those with untrained pets have outfitted their pooches with service animal vests and secured identification from organizations simply selling fake identification cards. Should these individuals be allowed access just because they have a card? When business owners begin to understand their rights to deny access to ill-behaved dogs and start asserting their rights under the ADA, the problem will begin to abate. This is the message we need to spread, not the message of interference with our civil rights of access and freedom of travel by requiring an identification card.
Fraternally yours,Marion
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Hi, Marion,
This has been a bone of contention with me for years, ever since the ADA came into being. Dog guide users have been rightly required to carry vaccination certificates and show some proof that the dog is a dog guide.
In my years of guides, I have never had any issues, yet the ADA and "service animals," have muddied the water.
Judy
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Bryan,
The easy answer is that no other person must carry credentials other than their government issued identification card to travel. Service animal i.d.s can be easily faked and disabled individuals are allowed to train their own dogs and, thus, would not have the luxury of an identification card.
Fraternally yours,
Marion
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Hi,
The average travelling public has complicated legit blind guide dog users lives by faking needing an animal.
Please explain why does this matter if your guide dog is legit and you can show the wallet card?
Bryan
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Subject: [Blindtlk] A Short Note on the Delta Issue
Dear All,
I want everyone to know where we are on this. At this point, our national leadership, including President Riccobono, John Pare, and I are monitoring the situation and will be speaking together on Monday morning to craft an official response and action plan. At this point, we have reviewed the policy and the initial opinion from our legal minds is that it is incongruent with the Air Carrier Access Act. Since there is no right of private action, Delta has no real incentive to do anything, since the worst that might happen to them is that the Department of Transportation orders them to reverse their policy. The challenge is that other airlines are considering following suit and this could create an even greater headache.
The solution we are seeking is a long-term one which would involve making the Air Carrier Access Act a mirror of the Americans with disabilities Act, meaning only dogs individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability would be allowed to enter the aircraft cabin. In the meantime, we are also working to create ann initiative to offer guidance to airline personnel on how to assess the suitability of other animals to enter the cabin. For instance, if any of us have ever been at the gate with an out-of-control animal which the owner is unable to correct, I do not think it would take too many instances of airlines refusing to allow the animal in the cabin and requiring the owner purchase a cargo ticket for the offending dog to stop the misrepresentation of the animal as an ESA.
For now, what you all can do is to subscribe to our Twitter feed <@nagdu> and the NAGDU Facebook page. Our national organizations are posting information there and anything released by the NFB concerning this issue will be reposted on our feeds. I am also considering having a special teleconference on this issue in the next couple days; however, all our efforts are being coordinated with our Jernigan Institute personnel so we are consistent on our message.
Please stay tuned to our social media, including this discussion list for updates and more information. Thank you for your passion and willingness to take action. We are strong because of you!
Fraternally yours,
Marion\
Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
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President at NAGDU.ORG
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back.
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