[BlindTlk] Cell phone

Tue Jun 4 19:50:50 UTC 2019

Is the back key the thing that looks like a little square rubber tile above 
the part of the long button that would be the end button?  I think I 
discovered that that deletes the last character, but I don't remember if it 
talks.  It might.  That saves me if I catch the mistake I've just made.  But 
I run into trouble if I don't catch the mistake until later.  I was missing 
a digit in somebody's phone number when I put it in contacts, and it took me 
about a half an hour to figure out how to fix the mistake, because I 
couldn't figure out where the cursor, I guess you would call it, was.  It 
was at the beginning of the line.  But it would have been easier if it 
spoke!  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Jacobson via BlindTlk
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2019 2:57 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone

Pamela,

You have probably already done what I would do, and you might be right that 
the signal strength might be in the part of the menu that does not work. 
One thing I remember was that I did get speech feedback when pressing the 
"BACK" key which functioned like a BACKSPACE when typing text.  That isn't 
as good as ARROW keys, but at least I only had to retype what came after my 
error.  See if that helps at all.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

----Original Message-----
From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez 
via BlindTlk
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 10:57 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone

It would be interesting if you could find signal strength, because I have
been all through the menus and don't find it.  Unless it is in that part
that doesn't talk that I, and everybody else who has this phone, sometimes
gets stuck in.  I think this is a 4g phone, but I was looking, last night,
and can't seem to find it.  I thought I could.  I have looked at all the
information, but actually didn't find it; the phone didn't say it.  Also,
another thing that is annoying with this phone is, that if you text, or put
contacts in, it doesn't speak everything.  With the Nokia with mobile speak,
I could right and left arrow through what I wrote and fix any mistakes.
When I write, it speaks, but if I make a mistake, I can't make it speak with
the left and right arrows to find out where I am, and where the mistake is.
Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Jacobson via BlindTlk
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2019 11:17 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone

Pamela,

I thought there was a way to read the signal strength but believe it is
buried in a menu like the battery level.  I still have our Alcatel phone
here although it can't completely connect to a wireless network so don't
know if I can find the signal strength indication.  I probably still have
the manuals around, though, if you would like me to dig a little.

In my mind, what is a smart phone is kind of at the center of this
discussion.  The Alcatel can do many things.  The screen reader is
reasonably functional, but we found it to be so slow at times that we didn't
think it responded to a command when it eventually did.  In my experience,
there just was no way to just query the phone screen for information.  To
get information, one had to figure out how to use the menu structure to
"fool" the built-in screen reader to speak what one wants to hear.  In my
experience, the Alcatel had many of the disadvantages of a smarter phone
such as an Android phone without any of the advantages, particularly a more
robust screen reader.  It made me realize that simply looking for a less
powerful flip phone might not be the ideal answer that would seem to be the
case on the surface.  I think that someone who gets real comfortable with
the Alcatel flip phone would find it very possible to use an Android phone,
especially one that has physical buttons.  I know another individual who has
the Odin phone, which I don't think is being sold any more.  It had
additional capabilities beyond being just a phone, but a good deal of
thought went into the screen reader.  The voice was very clear, and it
seemed to have a pretty manageable set of menus.  I believe it was created
specifically for blind people, but it used an older network protocol which
has less support.  Many have pleasant memories of the Nokia phones, too.  I
just think we are in a time where the landscape is very complex regarding
phones, and the options are not necessarily easy to categorize.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
via BlindTlk
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 9:28 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone

Yes, it does, but I can't do everything I want.  Like I said in the last
message, I haven't found out how to add ringtones.  But I also don't have a
way to check signal strength.  The Nokia n95 I had before that that had
Kurzweil and mobile speak on it, said on the opening screen, how many bars
of battery I had, and how many bars of signal I had, besides the phone and
the screenreader, I think, and the phone company.  This phone makes you go
into a submenu to get the battery level, which it says in percentages, and
there is no way to find signal strength.  You can go on line and also do
email with this phone.  You can also put music and videos on it.  It also
has a calculator.  But I don't think it's a smart phone.  I'm not sure what
makes it not a smart phone, though.  I am confused about what actually makes
a phone a smart phone.  Pam.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 7:30 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Cc: Judy Jones
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone

Hi Again, Pam,

I forgot to ask, if you have this flip phone, does it have screen reader
capability and what all can you do with it?

Judy
"Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez via BlindTlk
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 3:05 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone

The Alcatel flip phones have a membrane that looks like rubber tiles.  You
can feel that there are buttons underneath when you push on the tiles.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 2:27 PM
To: Steve Jacobson via BlindTlk
Cc: Jude DaShiell ; Steve Jacobson
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone

One thing I don't like about phones with physical keys is in an
accident, those keys can fall out and won't be easy to find.  Probably a
membrane over physical keys with membrane having concavities to
accommodate physical keys in up positions would take care of that
problem but with the myriad options available in all of these years I've
not read about that one.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Steve Jacobson via BlindTlk wrote:

> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 13:32:31
> From: Steve Jacobson via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> Judy,
>
> What I see happening too often is that there are multiple options for
> cellphones but there isn't a good way to categorize the options.  For
> example, there are people who just can't get comfortable with touch
> screens and there are people who don't want a smart phone.  Some of the
> Android phones, as you have described, are really very powerful smart
> phones even though they have physical buttons.  However, for the person
> who simply wants a phone, without needing to deal with downloading apps or

> agreeing to a software update, having physical buttons is only part of the

> answer.  They may well find the Android phones with physical buttons
> almost as frustrating as using an iPhone.  Someone who wants a phone
> really has to try to understand the differences, or at least figure out
> what they are truly wanting or willing to learn.
>
> This issue of GSM versus CDMA is also pretty important here in the United
> States.  In many areas, CDMA phones do have better coverage, and it has
> been my observation that there is more likely to be CDMA repeaters inside
> buildings where service is otherwise poor.  One can find oneself with no
> coverage in a building where others have reasonably good coverage.
>
> This is not an easy area to quickly understand if someone is just asking
> which phone is the best for a blind person.  It is really pretty complex.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
> BlindTlk
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 10:33 AM
> To: gwunder at earthlink.net; 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> There are just lots of choices that aren't necessarily advertised.
>
> What would be interesting is if there were a way to do a survey of blind
> people using phones with physical buttons, what daily activities they
> perform with them, what they like best about their phones, and what they
> wish their phones could do.
>
> A great phone list that is primarily Android, but not limited to, is the
> Antad group.
> Antad+subscribe at googlegroups.com.
>
> Then, of course there is the blindphones list.
> Blindphones+subscribe at groups.io
>
> The dangerous thing about technology for the blind is that, although one
> or
> two things get popular, the rest is shoved to the side, not unlike what
> happened to the Optacon when OCR technology came into being.
>
> Judy
> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary
> Wunder
> via BlindTlk
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 5:18 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: Gary Wunder
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> I appreciate this, Judy. Perhaps it is better not to run.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
> BlindTlk
> Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:04 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> Your kidding, I watch for the Monitor in my e-mail.
>
> You may or may not have seen my comments, but I have concerns about this
> phone, the biggest one being that the company did not post the phone
> specs,
> but were going on the premise that the blind need this phone, with no
> links
> to comparisons of other models out there.
>
> When I first found out about this phone, I watched the video that only
> showed the features, but no specs, so I wrote in with my questions.
>
> I got a call back from customer service, and here is what I found out.
>
> * This phone operates on 3G, not 4G.  They hope to get a 4G device out,
> but
> isn't happening yet, and no time frame available.  If you buy this phone
> for
> $299, you are on borrowed time.
>
> * The phone works on GSM, not CDMA, so check with your carrier with a list
> of this phone's specs in hand before you go shelling out the bucks.
>
> * This phone runs on a custom Linux OS,, and when they mean text and talk
> only, that's what it is.  This phone uses no data.
>
> It runs on an ARM9 processor, and has an internal memory capacity of 8GB,
> with expandable memory up to 64 GB.
>
> This phone, however, is not the only game in town when it comes to
> accessible phones with physical buttons, and some of you may be able to
> add
> to information on other similar phones.
>
> Take a look at the Kyocera DuraXE, a flip phone with physical buttons.  It
> runs on GSM 4G LTE.
>
> PROS: 4G LTE and dual-band Wi-Fi support. Good call quality, earpiece
> volume, and speaker volume. Rugged build. Long battery life. CONS No
> built-in app store. Noise cancellation could be better. BOTTOM LINE The
> Kyocera DuraXE is an ultra-rugged waterproof and dustproof feature phone
> that runs Android, but you definitely won't confuse it with a smartphone.
>
> The OS is a custom Android, and apps cannot be downloaded maybeside
> loaded,
> although the phone is equipped for e-mail and internet use.
>
> My husband has this phone, and it is a solid, water-resistent phone with a
> leather texture exterior and external battery.
>
> From what I could find on Amazon, the phone generally runs cheaper than
> the
> Lucia mobile phone, and offers more features.  It is also possible that
> ones
> can be found on Ebay for less, new and unlocked, and with 4G LTE support,
> it
> will be supported for quite a while.
>
> The next phone is an Android smart flip, the Galaxy Folder 2 from Samsung,
> which I have as a backup phone and love it.  It runs on Ebay new and
> unlocked today at $234.00.  This is a fully functional Android phone, and
> I
> have my one hundred plus apps all nicely organized on it.  The drawbacks
> to
> it is that I needed sighted assistance to install Talkback on it for me,
> but
> only took five minutes.  I proceeded to turn on the Direct Access option
> within the accessibility settings, and check the box for Talkback so I can
> wake it up at any time from anywhere.  The camera is not the flagship
> example, but I installed the Open Camera one can voice activate.  It runs
> on
> Android 6.1, and although not the latest in Android versions, is still
> supported.  It has a 16 GB internal memory and holds my 128 GB SD card
> very
> nicely.  It also has several programmable features and buttons you can
> dedicate to your programs of choice, plus a console that comes up by
> long-pressing the asterisk key with 9 spaces for your favorite apps.
>
> It does not have a physical headphone jack, but is a dream with bluethooth
> connectivity.
>
> These are the phones I know about, and if I come up with more, will
> forward
> the information to you.
>
> Thanks for sharing this.
>
>
>
> Judy
> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> gwunder---
> via BlindTlk
> Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:13 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: gwunder at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> Okay, as long as you don't give up reading the Monitor, I'll share this on
> list:
>
> New Accessible Basic Cell Phone Available:
> A new basic mobile phone is now being offered by a company
> called RAZ Mobility.  RAZ Mobility claims that the phone, called Lucia,
> allows people who are blind to use a basic mobile phone just as
> effectively
> as people who are sighted.
> Lucia achieves accessibility in two ways: first, it has a tactile
> keypad with big buttons in different colors and shapes.  Second, Lucia has

> a
> voice guide that informs the user of what is on the screen and what
> buttons
> have been pressed.  RAZ Mobility claims that the combination of these two
> features allows people with vision loss to "access every feature of the
> phone with unparalleled ease."  The user does not need to learn how to use
> gestures to navigate a touchscreen.
> Importantly, this phone focuses on the basics: talk and text.  So if
> you are looking for internet access and other advanced features this phone
> is not for you.  But if you want a phone with basic features, such as one
> that has speaking caller ID, speaks your contacts, allows you to enter
> contacts, speaks your text messages, announces your battery strength and
> signal strength, reads your text messages, and more, Lucia sounds like a
> great option.
> The Lucia cell phone for people who are blind costs $299 and is
> available on RAZ Mobility's website.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Robert Feinstein
> via BlindTlk
> Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 4:17 AM
> To: Gary Wunder via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Robert Feinstein <harlynn at panix.com>
> Subject: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> Gary, I am, believe it or not, a dos user.  I have a simple flip phone
> from
> Sprint.  It probably won't work all that much longer.  I'd like to get a
> phone with buttons that I can text on, but I'm not interested in an
> iphone.
> Can you tell me about what you have, and its ease of operation?
> I am not good with technology.
>
> Thank you so much.
>
> Bob in NY
>
>
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