[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Tue Sep 3 17:26:35 UTC 2019

I grew up in the mid-70s through 80s. I graduated high school in 1990 in Wisconsin. The school district and the school for Blind refused to teach me braille so my parents kept me in the public school. Nobody told us about Hadley. I tried to learn it for 25 years and gave up then I was lucky enough to go to and NFB training center and then switch to United English braille and then clicked. Not that I didn’t try to read it, I really did try. That’s why I had these pre-– UEB books. Not everyone learns the same way and not everyone has people available to teach. The centers in Wisconsin refuse to teach me as an adult because I had “too much vision.“ And nobody at the Wisconsin Council of the blind knows more than the alphabet and numbers. There are some states that are rich in resources and other states that have never really had good resources.

Ericka Nelson

> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:17 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> No it was not taught to only totally blind persons.  In the fifties and sixties it was taught to low vision students as well, but that may depend on the part of the country where you live.
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> I’m not going to argue that some of those contractions like a LLY and ATION should never of disappeared. Well it takes less space on a page to put some things together like “as the “ for example, other countries didn’t do it this way. It’ll make it easier to read something printed in another country. Universal braille printers might make them cheaper for us to owner cells and production might become cheaper.
> I’m quite well aware that every blind person does not own a braille and boss or, whatever sighted person owns a printer for regular print. Is this fair?
> 
> For those of us who could reprint it is much easier to transition to UEB than The old standby that was only taught totally blind folks for years. Sorry bud in the 1970s when I was going to school I should have been taught in braille. I’d like to be in the public schools but I did not like being completely lost because I could barely read the textbook and no magnifying didn’t help. And a standard magnifier couldn’t make it big enough and I couldn’t read with glasses on. I sniffed paper. Literally. Sight saving was the stupidest concept ever created!
> 
> Ericka Nelson
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Jesse Johnson via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I think of the old saying if it’s not broke don’t fix it they broke it by trying to fix it
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of the house to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by the seaside or byline Hass to be spelled out now.
>>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too confusing. Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc. didn’t but have you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a lot more like print so it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>>> 
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In US Braille:
>>>> 
>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>>> At the end is a period.
>>>> 
>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote
>>>> In middle, not used in literary braille.
>>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>>> 
>>>> Dropped F:
>>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>>> 
>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of the rules did change for UEB.
>>>> 
>>>> Judy
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>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
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>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
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>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I probably could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped F, drop D and dropped H. is in weird places main something depending on where they are.   That is confusing! I read faster in the new braille. I have children’s books and some religious things for the taking.
>>>> 
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.  There are differences in the punctuation and numbers formatting, but the numbers and letters themselves are all the same.  Most of the contractions are the same, they have done away with some of them, but you will never find a strange formation of dots you can't recognize.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and although I prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Judy
>>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
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>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are in that were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I have braille books that I really don’t want to toss, but I can’t read them well enough in the pre-2015 braille to justify keeping. I’m willing to send them overseas or free matter them to someone who can’t send them overseas. Let me know.
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