[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Ericka dotwriter1 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 4 00:40:21 UTC 2019 

What a classic thing! I would never get rid of that unless the dogs are so flat and it can’t be read. I think I could read that one. What’s the big difference between one and a half braille and grade 2/united English braille?

Ericka Nelson

> On Sep 3, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Or, just not having the time.
> 
> It's almost akin to the loss of Alexander The Great's library.  Except not through fire and destruction, but through neglect, regardless the cause.
> 
> I have a two volume braille cookbook produced in 1944, in the relaxed spacing and slightly larger dots of the time, called California spacing, done in grade one and a half, which was popular then.  Evelyn Lee's cookbook.
> 
> One of the cooking tips talks about a new and inexpensive device on the market anyone can purchase, called an egg separator.
> 
> It also states in one of the tips that you can now get seedless raisins that are much easier to work with.
> 
> The lady who developed the cookbook was blind, and the hundreds of recipes are her own, and kitchen tips, she calls Kross Cuts, are ones she developed as a blind cook that worked for her.
> 
> My favorite alltime favorite Thousand Island dressing recipe comes from there, and I used to make it, but you can no longer get the canned onion juice or canned chili juice it requires.  The closest dressing in taste is Marie's Thousand Island Dressing.
> 
> Judy
> 
> Judy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:07 PM
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> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
> 
> My point is they don't distribute them the way they were originally done; 
> they redo them in ueb.  Oh yes, I think I see what you mean.  If they are 
> going to do that,  what's to stop them from looking at a book and saying: 
> "This one isn't important; we don't have to do this; and we don't have to 
> keep it, either".  Yuck!  pam.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 7:18 PM
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> Cc: Judy Jones
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
> 
> I shudder to think what braille literature will be lost if they do not get 
> it duplicated.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela 
> Dominguez via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 4:09 PM
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> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
> 
> I think the library of congress is already getting rid of them.  Because
> last time I was at the library, I took out a book that had a date before
> 2015, so I thought it would be in standard braille.  What a surprise I got
> when I took it home and it was not!  Also, it seems that when they digitize
> them, they no longer digitize old ones they didn't catch up on, yet; even
> though they are old books, they still are now in UEB.  Pam.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 1:23 PM
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> Cc: Judy Jones
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
> 
> Okay, I understand, and now that you have a grasp on UEB anyway.
> 
> The availability of US braille will gradually disappear as books get older.
> On the otherhand, you might find materials in those books not available yet
> in UEB.  US braille will be around for years, though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via
> BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:20 AM
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> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
> 
> Why would I want to read something in old braille it takes me an hour to
> read a page when I could Read and comprehend the children’s book in half an
> hour or less?
> 
> For me, old braille is any efficient. It’s personal preference. United
> English braille makes more sense to me.
> 
> Ericka Nelson
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The best way to get use to it is to use it.  I encourage my braille
>> students to read, read, read, and take the pressure off trying to
>> memorize.  When you think about it, you didn't have to memorize how to
>> spell the majority of words in the English language when learning to read
>> as a kid.  You were just trained to start reading a few simple phrases at
>> first, and gradually through spelling lessons, added to your vocabulary.
>> But the secret is read, read, read.  Memory comes through use without the
>> pressure of memorization.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka
>> via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 8:07 AM
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>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>> 
>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of the house
>> to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by the seaside or byline
>> Hass to be spelled out now.
>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too confusing.
>> Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc. didn’t but have
>> you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a lot more like print so
>> it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>> 
>> Ericka Nelson
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In US Braille:
>>> 
>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>> At the end is a period.
>>> 
>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote
>>> In middle, not used in literary braille.
>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>> 
>>> Dropped F:
>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>> 
>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of the
>>> rules did change for UEB.
>>> 
>>> Judy
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka
>>> via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
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>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>> 
>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I probably
>>> could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped F, drop D and
>>> dropped H. is in weird places main something depending on where they are.
>>> That is confusing! I read faster in the new braille. I have children’s
>>> books and some religious things for the taking.
>>> 
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.  There are
>>>> differences in the punctuation and numbers formatting, but the numbers
>>>> and letters themselves are all the same.  Most of the contractions are
>>>> the same, they have done away with some of them, but you will never find
>>>> a strange formation of dots you can't recognize.
>>>> 
>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and although I
>>>> prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.
>>>> 
>>>> Judy
>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka
>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
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>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>> 
>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are in that
>>>> were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I have braille books
>>>> that I really don’t want to toss, but I can’t read them well enough in
>>>> the pre-2015 braille to justify keeping. I’m willing to send them
>>>> overseas or free matter them to someone who can’t send them overseas.
>>>> Let me know.
>>>> 
>>>> Ericka Nelson
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