[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Wed Sep 4 02:16:28 UTC 2019

I did the same thing, and when my friend Virginia saw me writing in one, she 
did it, too.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ericka via BlindTlk
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 10:01 PM
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Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

My friend Jenni Kich Took notes in spiral notebooks to in braille with her 
slate and stylus. Where could those fingers fly! I couldn’t write print that 
fast enough and still read it then or now. Impressive it was!

Ericka Nelson

> On Sep 3, 2019, at 7:56 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Very true.
>
> I did all my college work in braille, my note-taking.  I used spiral 
> notebooks with a slate and stylus, and had no problems keeping up.
>
> I did have books on reel to reel tapes back then, but you're right, I 
> ended up taking notes on them, too.
>
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka 
> via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:22 PM
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> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>
> I worry too. Audio is not really learning. If you’re reading a mystery 
> book that’s one thing, but I remember trying to do college work listening 
> to concerts and that just totally sucked. The digital talking book has its 
> benefits but I still don’t think I could learn somethings as easily. But 
> then, you have to take braille notes while you listen just like a sighted 
> person reads a book and shots in the margins.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I shudder to think what braille literature will be lost if they do not 
>> get it duplicated.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela 
>> Dominguez via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 4:09 PM
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>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> I think the library of congress is already getting rid of them.  Because
>> last time I was at the library, I took out a book that had a date before
>> 2015, so I thought it would be in standard braille.  What a surprise I 
>> got
>> when I took it home and it was not!  Also, it seems that when they 
>> digitize
>> them, they no longer digitize old ones they didn't catch up on, yet; even
>> though they are old books, they still are now in UEB.  Pam.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 1:23 PM
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>> Cc: Judy Jones
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> Okay, I understand, and now that you have a grasp on UEB anyway.
>>
>> The availability of US braille will gradually disappear as books get 
>> older.
>> On the otherhand, you might find materials in those books not available 
>> yet
>> in UEB.  US braille will be around for years, though.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka 
>> via
>> BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:20 AM
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>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> Why would I want to read something in old braille it takes me an hour to
>> read a page when I could Read and comprehend the children’s book in half 
>> an
>> hour or less?
>>
>> For me, old braille is any efficient. It’s personal preference. United
>> English braille makes more sense to me.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk 
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The best way to get use to it is to use it.  I encourage my braille
>>> students to read, read, read, and take the pressure off trying to
>>> memorize.  When you think about it, you didn't have to memorize how to
>>> spell the majority of words in the English language when learning to 
>>> read
>>> as a kid.  You were just trained to start reading a few simple phrases 
>>> at
>>> first, and gradually through spelling lessons, added to your vocabulary.
>>> But the secret is read, read, read.  Memory comes through use without 
>>> the
>>> pressure of memorization.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka
>>> via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 8:07 AM
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>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>
>>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of the 
>>> house
>>> to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by the seaside or 
>>> byline
>>> Hass to be spelled out now.
>>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too confusing.
>>> Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc. didn’t but have
>>> you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a lot more like print so
>>> it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In US Braille:
>>>>
>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>>> At the end is a period.
>>>>
>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote
>>>> In middle, not used in literary braille.
>>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>>>
>>>> Dropped F:
>>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>>>
>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of the
>>>> rules did change for UEB.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka
>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
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>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I 
>>>> probably
>>>> could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped F, drop D and
>>>> dropped H. is in weird places main something depending on where they 
>>>> are.
>>>> That is confusing! I read faster in the new braille. I have children’s
>>>> books and some religious things for the taking.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.  There are
>>>>> differences in the punctuation and numbers formatting, but the numbers
>>>>> and letters themselves are all the same.  Most of the contractions are
>>>>> the same, they have done away with some of them, but you will never 
>>>>> find
>>>>> a strange formation of dots you can't recognize.
>>>>>
>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and although I
>>>>> prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Ericka
>>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
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>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are in 
>>>>> that
>>>>> were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I have braille books
>>>>> that I really don’t want to toss, but I can’t read them well enough in
>>>>> the pre-2015 braille to justify keeping. I’m willing to send them
>>>>> overseas or free matter them to someone who can’t send them overseas.
>>>>> Let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
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