[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Wed Sep 4 08:58:28 UTC 2019

It did flatten, but I used it anyway.  I needed to be able to write faster, 
so I used the thinner paper.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ericka via BlindTlk
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 10:26 PM
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Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

People make a big deal out of what kind of paper people are brailling on. It 
surprises me that it was not flattened at all because notebook paper so 
thin. Of course maybe the notebooks you had more of the material than they 
are now. Everybody is going so cheap in production.

Ericka Nelson

> On Sep 3, 2019, at 9:16 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk 
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I did the same thing, and when my friend Virginia saw me writing in one, 
> she did it, too.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ericka via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 10:01 PM
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> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>
> My friend Jenni Kich Took notes in spiral notebooks to in braille with her 
> slate and stylus. Where could those fingers fly! I couldn’t write print 
> that fast enough and still read it then or now. Impressive it was!
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 7:56 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Very true.
>>
>> I did all my college work in braille, my note-taking.  I used spiral 
>> notebooks with a slate and stylus, and had no problems keeping up.
>>
>> I did have books on reel to reel tapes back then, but you're right, I 
>> ended up taking notes on them, too.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka 
>> via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:22 PM
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>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> I worry too. Audio is not really learning. If you’re reading a mystery 
>> book that’s one thing, but I remember trying to do college work listening 
>> to concerts and that just totally sucked. The digital talking book has 
>> its benefits but I still don’t think I could learn somethings as easily. 
>> But then, you have to take braille notes while you listen just like a 
>> sighted person reads a book and shots in the margins.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk 
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I shudder to think what braille literature will be lost if they do not 
>>> get it duplicated.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela 
>>> Dominguez via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 4:09 PM
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>>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>
>>> I think the library of congress is already getting rid of them.  Because
>>> last time I was at the library, I took out a book that had a date before
>>> 2015, so I thought it would be in standard braille.  What a surprise I 
>>> got
>>> when I took it home and it was not!  Also, it seems that when they 
>>> digitize
>>> them, they no longer digitize old ones they didn't catch up on, yet; 
>>> even
>>> though they are old books, they still are now in UEB.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 1:23 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Cc: Judy Jones
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>
>>> Okay, I understand, and now that you have a grasp on UEB anyway.
>>>
>>> The availability of US braille will gradually disappear as books get 
>>> older.
>>> On the otherhand, you might find materials in those books not available 
>>> yet
>>> in UEB.  US braille will be around for years, though.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka 
>>> via
>>> BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:20 AM
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>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>
>>> Why would I want to read something in old braille it takes me an hour to
>>> read a page when I could Read and comprehend the children’s book in half 
>>> an
>>> hour or less?
>>>
>>> For me, old braille is any efficient. It’s personal preference. United
>>> English braille makes more sense to me.
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk 
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The best way to get use to it is to use it.  I encourage my braille
>>>> students to read, read, read, and take the pressure off trying to
>>>> memorize.  When you think about it, you didn't have to memorize how to
>>>> spell the majority of words in the English language when learning to 
>>>> read
>>>> as a kid.  You were just trained to start reading a few simple phrases 
>>>> at
>>>> first, and gradually through spelling lessons, added to your 
>>>> vocabulary.
>>>> But the secret is read, read, read.  Memory comes through use without 
>>>> the
>>>> pressure of memorization.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka
>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 8:07 AM
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>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of the 
>>>> house
>>>> to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by the seaside or 
>>>> byline
>>>> Hass to be spelled out now.
>>>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too confusing.
>>>> Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc. didn’t but 
>>>> have
>>>> you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a lot more like print 
>>>> so
>>>> it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In US Braille:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>>>> At the end is a period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote
>>>>> In middle, not used in literary braille.
>>>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dropped F:
>>>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>>>>
>>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of the
>>>>> rules did change for UEB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Ericka
>>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
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>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I 
>>>>> probably
>>>>> could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped F, drop D and
>>>>> dropped H. is in weird places main something depending on where they 
>>>>> are.
>>>>> That is confusing! I read faster in the new braille. I have children’s
>>>>> books and some religious things for the taking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.  There are
>>>>>> differences in the punctuation and numbers formatting, but the 
>>>>>> numbers
>>>>>> and letters themselves are all the same.  Most of the contractions 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> the same, they have done away with some of them, but you will never 
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> a strange formation of dots you can't recognize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and although I
>>>>>> prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Ericka
>>>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
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>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are in 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I have braille 
>>>>>> books
>>>>>> that I really don’t want to toss, but I can’t read them well enough 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the pre-2015 braille to justify keeping. I’m willing to send them
>>>>>> overseas or free matter them to someone who can’t send them overseas.
>>>>>> Let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
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