[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Sherry Gomes sherry.gomes at outlook.com
Wed Sep 4 13:29:05 UTC 2019 

I would love to have an Optacon. The blind kids who attended my junior high school around 1970 got to test it before it was released to the public. This was in San Jose California. I've always wanted my own. 

Sherry


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From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Hyde, David W. (ESC) via BlindTlk
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Cc: Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

The first reader and scanner was the Kurzweil Reading Machine, which we saw at the NFB convention in 1976. I remember that it had difficulty saying its own name. As for the Optacon, there are still a few around. I have one in my office. It, along with the Stereo Toner were the first devices which let us read print independently. The Stereo Toner produced musical tones and you could tell, I understand, which letter was which by the tones. 

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From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ericka via BlindTlk
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Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Why didn’t they just make a more portable model rather than abandon them? I remember hearing that the first K- NFB type reading things were in the late 70s. My husband uses Kurzweil 1000 on his computer. I don’t know how to use it. I use Seeing AI mostly. For the bottles, we both have a script to talk station.

Ericka Nelson

> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, they are great, and individuals still sell them, and there are people who still repair them, so they are alive and well.
> 
> Yes, you are actually reading print with this mechanical device.  All this before OCR technology.  The blind person is the brains, and you are actually reading what a sighted person would see.
> 
> You can read round medicine bottles and things that OCR can't touch.
> 
> Judy
> 
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> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Ericka via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 7:09 PM
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> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
> 
> I saw one once but never got to use it. That was before I knew any braille at all. From what I understand it raised the printer somethings so you can read it. That would make sense Judy that you would understand. What do people do when they’re ancient up to cons die? You can’t replace them and I bet you can’t fix them too easily either. I heard they were pretty cool. 
> 
> Ericka Nelson
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> It makes verymuch sense to those of us that use an optacon.
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> 
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>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:13 PM
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>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>> 
>> 
>> I think it makes less sense to people who have never seen print done to those of us who could reprint at one time in our lives. It makes sense to let you know whether something is in bold or not. And if you are formatting something to be printed and look good for the side of the world it’s important as well. The rest of the world centers titles a lot of times like on a resume for example. I do think it’s stupid that they took some signs away. Braille is a lot of extra pages. Someone told me once that it takes three braille pages to equal the information one printed page and that’s not including spacing such as between paragraphs etc.
>> 
>> I don’t think you guys realize how different print is from braille. And I wouldn’t expect any person who was born blind and I only read braille to understand. Just be nice to those of us who can.
>> 
>> Ericka Nelson
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Jesse Johnson via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree this new EB makes no sense at all
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I know we can't do anything about it.  I can read it somewhat better, depending on how much different stuff there is in it.  If it's just regular text, it's okay.  But I don't see any reason to ever write it, myself.  I just don't think I will be put in a situation where that is necessary.  Pam.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hyde, David W. (ESC) via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 11:16 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Hyde, David W. (ESC)
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>> 
>>>> Well, whether we like it or not, the train has left the station. I can read UEB better than I can write it. Sixty years of doing it one way doesn't change in a moment. I still put words together, use signs that have gone away, and when reading, I come to a full stop when I see a, followed by tion.
>>>> 
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>>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jesse 
>>>> Johnson via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:11 AM
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>>>> Cc: Jesse Johnson <jayjohnson66 at me.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>> 
>>>> I think of the old saying if it’s not broke don’t fix it they broke 
>>>> it by trying to fix it
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of the house to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by the seaside or byline Hass to be spelled out now.
>>>>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too confusing. Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc. didn’t but have you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a lot more like print so it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In US Braille:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>>>>> At the end is a period.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote In middle, not used in 
>>>>>> literary braille.
>>>>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dropped F:
>>>>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>>>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of the rules did change for UEB.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
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>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I probably could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped F, drop D and dropped H. is in weird places main something depending on where they are. That is confusing! I read faster in the new braille. I have children’s books and some religious things for the taking.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.  There are differences in the punctuation and numbers formatting, but the numbers and letters themselves are all the same.  Most of the contractions are the same, they have done away with some of them, but you will never find a strange formation of dots you can't recognize.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and although I prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
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>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are in that were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I have braille books that I really don’t want to toss, but I can’t read them well enough in the pre-2015 braille to justify keeping. I’m willing to send them overseas or free matter them to someone who can’t send them overseas. Let me know.
>>>>>>> 
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