[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Wed Sep 4 18:16:30 UTC 2019

Where can "Cooking without Looking" be downloaded from?

On 9/4/19, Annely Rose via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There's another one "Food At Your Fingertips".  Not sure if I have that one
> or "Cooking Without Looking".  It was given to me by my mother for Mother's
> Day and I have held on to it for sentimental reasons.  They have all been in
> containers for at least 7 years, in a verticle position so the braille
> doesn't get smashed.
>
> "Cooking With Feeling" is on BARD.  I just finished reading most of it.  I
> did not care for the way it was done.  I felt it needed more detail on the
> techniques.
>
> Annely
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
> BlindTlk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:15 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>
> Yes, there was an older one you can still download called Cooking Without
> Looking.  There was also the Braille Cookbook in one volume, produced by the
> Kentucky School For The Blind.
>
> More recently, there is one through NBP, I believe, it is called Cooking
> With Feeling.
>
> There may be more I don't know about.
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelby
> Carlson via BlindTlk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 8:24 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Kelby Carlson
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>
> I would love to know if there are any other cookbooks specifically written
> by the blind with blindness techniques in mind. Maybe not the best topic for
> this thread, but if anyone knows of any please respond here or email me.
>
> On 9/4/19, Sherry Gomes via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I never thought of the Optacon as a thing to replace braille, and it
>> is very slow for reading books, but it would be, for me anyway, much
>> more practical for reading print mail than all the ways we have now
>> through iPhone apps or other scanning type devices. But I agree with
>> Steven, that it would replace braille. I'm a fast braille reader, and
>> trying to read print books on the Optacon was frustratingly slow.
>>
>> Sherry
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Steve
>> Jacobson via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 8:21 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> Ericka,
>>
>> I am another Optacon user, and I find it frustrating that no current
>> technology lets us do the same thing as an Optacon did.  However, I
>> think we have to be careful not to glorify it too much.  There were
>> many people who just couldn't get the hang of using it.  One moved a
>> camera with the right hand and read with the left hand which meant
>> that there was some coordination needed.  Also, the resolution of the
>> display was much higher than what one sees on the braille display.
>> There were therefore people who could read braille but whose fingers had
>> trouble reading with an Optacon.
>> Reading speed was also an issue.  There were quite a few people who
>> read up to 100 words per minute.  I am not aware of anybody who read
>> much faster than that.  Those whom I knew that read 100 words per
>> minute with an Optacon were also very fast braille readers, reading
>> probably three times that rate in braille.  I tended to read for
>> detail and my reading speed was not that good.  Also, one didn't just
>> buy the unit and read.  There was a definite learning curve, and one
>> really had to commit to reading a significant amount each day to
>> achieve a maximum reading speed.  It also meant that many of us had to
>> learn print letters and symbols as well.  Telesensory and other
>> agencies offered training programs to get one started that lasted two
>> weeks or so.  This training was not cheap and was a significant addition
>> to the price.
>>
>> In an effort to move toward making a more portable model and to make
>> it less expensive, Telesensory developed the Optacon II which used
>> some off-the-shelf parts that were custom made for the original
>> optacon.  It also used some digital technology.  However, those of us
>> who used the new optacon found that the images seemed less sharp than
>> on the original optacon.  I don't know why that was.  That was
>> disappointing, and it probably hurt sales some.  One would think that
>> with today's technology that such a problem probably would be nonexistent.
>>
>> Finally, Telesensory took the marketing approach that the Optacon
>> could replace braille and pushed some to get it into the hands of
>> young blind kids in schools.  Given that braille is often read more
>> quickly by people who learn it at a young age, the idea that a young
>> child could perhaps learn to read with an Optacon much faster was
>> probably justifiable, but many of us thought that it was risky for
>> kids to spend a lot of time learning the Optacon rather than learning
>> braille.  I think all of these things caused the Optacon to disappear as a
>> product.
>>
>> I've seen projects to build a new Optacon, but nothing solid seems to
>> ever happen with those projects.  I must also say that even at the
>> time, I wondered how we would have handled the success of the Optacon
>> to see our ability to read controlled by a single company, at the expense
>> of braille.
>> It never came to that, but it was not beyond the realm of possibility
>> if faster reading speeds could have been achieved at the expense of
>> learning braille.
>>
>> Also, the optacon did not provide us with a more convenient way to write.
>> There was an attachment that one could by that mounted the optacon
>> camera on certain typewriters.  The attachment allowed one to see the
>> character that was being typed allowing one to make more reliable
>> corrections.  However, even portable typewriters of the day were not that
>> small.
>>
>> Another attachment allowed one to use the Optacon to read an
>> electronic calculator.  Remember, they didn't talk until 1975 or so
>> and the Optacon was available slightly before that time, and the first
>> talking calculators were expensive.  Yet another attachment could be used
>> to read computer screens.
>> At that time, talking computers were also not available.
>>
>> Both the availability of talking calculators and computers that
>> supported braille and speech cut into the value of these additional
>> attachments.  In those cases, the Optacon really didn't add value over
>> the option of braille and speech.  That probably also cut into the market
>> for the Optacon.
>>
>> Still, I have a much better sense of how print looks and the
>> differences between different fonts and such because of the Optacon.
>> There are still times when I find I can read something that none of
>> the OCR approaches reads, and I don't always know why.  Still, more
>> often than not, I tend to try K-1000, Seeing-AI, or VoiceDream Scanner
>> first when reading something because if they succeed they are faster,
>> and over the years the KNFB reader has been very useful.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ericka via
>> BlindTlk
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 7:52 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> Why didn’t they just make a more portable model rather than abandon
>> them? I remember hearing that the first K- NFB type reading things
>> were in the late 70s. My husband uses Kurzweil 1000 on his computer. I
>> don’t know how to use it. I use Seeing AI mostly. For the bottles, we
>> both have a script to talk station.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, they are great, and individuals still sell them, and there are
>>> people who still repair them, so they are alive and well.
>>>
>>> Yes, you are actually reading print with this mechanical device.  All
>>> this before OCR technology.  The blind person is the brains, and you
>>> are actually reading what a sighted person would see.
>>>
>>> You can read round medicine bottles and things that OCR can't touch.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 7:09 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>
>>> I saw one once but never got to use it. That was before I knew any
>>> braille at all. From what I understand it raised the printer
>>> somethings so you can read it. That would make sense Judy that you
>>> would understand. What do people do when they’re ancient up to cons
>>> die? You can’t replace them and I bet you can’t fix them too easily
>>> either. I heard they were pretty cool.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It makes verymuch sense to those of us that use an optacon.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:13 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it makes less sense to people who have never seen print done
>>>> to those of us who could reprint at one time in our lives. It makes
>>>> sense to let you know whether something is in bold or not. And if
>>>> you are formatting something to be printed and look good for the
>>>> side of the world it’s important as well. The rest of the world
>>>> centers titles a lot of times like on a resume for example. I do
>>>> think it’s stupid that they took some signs away. Braille is a lot
>>>> of extra pages. Someone told me once that it takes three braille
>>>> pages to equal the information one printed page and that’s not
>>>> including spacing such as between paragraphs etc.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t think you guys realize how different print is from braille.
>>>> And I wouldn’t expect any person who was born blind and I only read
>>>> braille to understand. Just be nice to those of us who can.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Jesse Johnson via BlindTlk
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree this new EB makes no sense at all
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know we can't do anything about it.  I can read it somewhat
>>>>>> better, depending on how much different stuff there is in it.  If
>>>>>> it's just regular text, it's okay.  But I don't see any reason to
>>>>>> ever write it, myself.  I just don't think I will be put in a
>>>>>> situation where that is necessary.  Pam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hyde, David W. (ESC) via BlindTlk
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 11:16 AM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Cc: Hyde, David W. (ESC)
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, whether we like it or not, the train has left the station. I
>>>>>> can read UEB better than I can write it. Sixty years of doing it
>>>>>> one way doesn't change in a moment. I still put words together,
>>>>>> use signs that have gone away, and when reading, I come to a full
>>>>>> stop when I see a, followed by tion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jesse
>>>>>> Johnson via BlindTlk
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:11 AM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Jesse Johnson <jayjohnson66 at me.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think of the old saying if it’s not broke don’t fix it they
>>>>>> broke it by trying to fix it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of
>>>>>>> the house to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by
>>>>>>> the seaside or byline Hass to be spelled out now.
>>>>>>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too
>>>>>>> confusing. Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc.
>>>>>>> didn’t but have you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a
>>>>>>> lot more like print so it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In US Braille:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>>>>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>>>>>>> At the end is a period.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote In middle, not used in
>>>>>>>> literary braille.
>>>>>>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dropped F:
>>>>>>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>>>>>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>>>>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of
>>>>>>>> the rules did change for UEB.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I
>>>>>>>> probably could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped
>>>>>>>> F, drop D and dropped H. is in weird places main something
>>>>>>>> depending on where they are. That is confusing! I read faster in the
>>>>>>>> new braille.
>>>>>>>> I have children’s books and some religious things for the taking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.
>>>>>>>>> There are differences in the punctuation and numbers
>>>>>>>>> formatting, but the numbers and letters themselves are all the
>>>>>>>>> same.  Most of the contractions are the same, they have done
>>>>>>>>> away with some of them, but you will never find a strange
>>>>>>>>> formation of dots you can't recognize.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and
>>>>>>>>> although I prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are
>>>>>>>>> in that were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I
>>>>>>>>> have braille books that I really don’t want to toss, but I
>>>>>>>>> can’t read them well enough in the pre-2015 braille to justify
>>>>>>>>> keeping. I’m willing to send them overseas or free matter them
>>>>>>>>> to someone who can’t send them overseas. Let me know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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