[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Fri Sep 6 10:03:55 UTC 2019

As far as I can remember, the optacon was pretty portable.  I think it was 
about the size of a desktop cassette recorder.  I only saw it once, though, 
a long time ago.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ericka via BlindTlk
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 8:52 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Why didn’t they just make a more portable model rather than abandon them? I 
remember hearing that the first K- NFB type reading things were in the late 
70s. My husband uses Kurzweil 1000 on his computer. I don’t know how to use 
it. I use Seeing AI mostly. For the bottles, we both have a script to talk 
station.

Ericka Nelson

> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, they are great, and individuals still sell them, and there are people 
> who still repair them, so they are alive and well.
>
> Yes, you are actually reading print with this mechanical device.  All this 
> before OCR technology.  The blind person is the brains, and you are 
> actually reading what a sighted person would see.
>
> You can read round medicine bottles and things that OCR can't touch.
>
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka 
> via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 7:09 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>
> I saw one once but never got to use it. That was before I knew any braille 
> at all. From what I understand it raised the printer somethings so you can 
> read it. That would make sense Judy that you would understand. What do 
> people do when they’re ancient up to cons die? You can’t replace them and 
> I bet you can’t fix them too easily either. I heard they were pretty cool.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It makes verymuch sense to those of us that use an optacon.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka 
>> via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:13 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>>
>> I think it makes less sense to people who have never seen print done to 
>> those of us who could reprint at one time in our lives. It makes sense to 
>> let you know whether something is in bold or not. And if you are 
>> formatting something to be printed and look good for the side of the 
>> world it’s important as well. The rest of the world centers titles a lot 
>> of times like on a resume for example. I do think it’s stupid that they 
>> took some signs away. Braille is a lot of extra pages. Someone told me 
>> once that it takes three braille pages to equal the information one 
>> printed page and that’s not including spacing such as between paragraphs 
>> etc.
>>
>> I don’t think you guys realize how different print is from braille. And I 
>> wouldn’t expect any person who was born blind and I only read braille to 
>> understand. Just be nice to those of us who can.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Jesse Johnson via BlindTlk 
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree this new EB makes no sense at all
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk 
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know we can't do anything about it.  I can read it somewhat better, 
>>>> depending on how much different stuff there is in it.  If it's just 
>>>> regular text, it's okay.  But I don't see any reason to ever write it, 
>>>> myself.  I just don't think I will be put in a situation where that is 
>>>> necessary.  Pam.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hyde, David W. (ESC) via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 11:16 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Hyde, David W. (ESC)
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> Well, whether we like it or not, the train has left the station. I can 
>>>> read UEB better than I can write it. Sixty years of doing it one way 
>>>> doesn't change in a moment. I still put words together, use signs that 
>>>> have gone away, and when reading, I come to a full stop when I see a, 
>>>> followed by tion.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Johnson 
>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:11 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jesse Johnson <jayjohnson66 at me.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> I think of the old saying if it’s not broke don’t fix it they broke it 
>>>> by trying to fix it
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of the 
>>>>> house to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by the seaside 
>>>>> or byline Hass to be spelled out now.
>>>>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too 
>>>>> confusing. Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc. 
>>>>> didn’t but have you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a lot 
>>>>> more like print so it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk 
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In US Braille:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>>>>> At the end is a period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote In middle, not used in
>>>>>> literary braille.
>>>>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropped F:
>>>>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>>>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of the 
>>>>>> rules did change for UEB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I 
>>>>>> probably could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped F, 
>>>>>> drop D and dropped H. is in weird places main something depending on 
>>>>>> where they are. That is confusing! I read faster in the new braille. 
>>>>>> I have children’s books and some religious things for the taking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk 
>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.  There 
>>>>>>> are differences in the punctuation and numbers formatting, but the 
>>>>>>> numbers and letters themselves are all the same.  Most of the 
>>>>>>> contractions are the same, they have done away with some of them, 
>>>>>>> but you will never find a strange formation of dots you can't 
>>>>>>> recognize.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and although I 
>>>>>>> prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are in 
>>>>>>> that were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I have 
>>>>>>> braille books that I really don’t want to toss, but I can’t read 
>>>>>>> them well enough in the pre-2015 braille to justify keeping. I’m 
>>>>>>> willing to send them overseas or free matter them to someone who can’t 
>>>>>>> send them overseas. Let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
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