[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Sat Sep 7 16:54:08 UTC 2019

Yes.  Since my braille sense u2 has seemed to bite the dust without having 
been used all that much, I think it's probably time to see about Richard 
Oehm fixing my braille lite.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peggy via BlindTlk
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 12:53 PM
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Cc: Peggy
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

There are people who can fix Optacons, thank God. My friend had one that she 
never used, since she never plugged it in, it went completely dead. I gave 
it to Richard Oehm to use for parts.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:24 PM, Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> I can see why!  My parents almost put me in a Catholic grade school. That 
> was if the city school district wouldn’t take me in1976. They took a 
> chance an I graduated from the public high school. Never went to a state 
> blind school.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 9:15 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk 
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> And both of these schools were in The Bronx, which is a borough of New 
>> York City.  There is also Batavia, which is upstate, New York.  They 
>> transferred me because I was a day student in the first school, and it 
>> took over an hour for the transportation to get me there, and the same to 
>> get me home.  And if we got stuck in traffic, forget it.  My doctor said 
>> I had to go to a school where I could stay overnight, because she said I 
>> was under too much stress. Also, Lavelle was a Catholic school, and I 
>> wasn't Catholic.  They tried to make me Catholic, so, I guess that was 
>> more stress.  They ostricized us non-catholics.  Pam.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ericka via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 9:59 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> Pam, why did they transfer you to the slower school? I just seems weird. 
>> Of course it’s hard for me to think that any state would have more than 
>> one school for the blind too. Nowadays it’s even rare to have a separate 
>> school for the blind and deaf. Wisconsin still does. The school for the 
>> deaf is in Delavan Wisconsin and the school for the blind is in 
>> Janesville Wisconsin. They’re both in the southern part of the state 
>> though which I think isn’t fair to the kids up north. Wisconsin is a huge 
>> state!
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk 
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> One-and-a-half has a few less signs than two.  I don't remember what 
>>> they are.  In Lavelle, they started us straight into grade two in first 
>>> grade. When they transferred me to the Institute, they had older books, 
>>> and some of them were one-and-a-half.  It was a slower school.  I was 
>>> almost nine, and they wanted to know if I could read and write, did I 
>>> know grade one, one-and-a-half or  two.  I was very surprised.  By the 
>>> way, the U in UEB stands for unified.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ericka via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 8:40 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>
>>> What a classic thing! I would never get rid of that unless the dogs are 
>>> so flat and it can’t be read. I think I could read that one. What’s the 
>>> big difference between one and a half braille and grade 2/united English 
>>> braille?
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk 
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Or, just not having the time.
>>>>
>>>> It's almost akin to the loss of Alexander The Great's library.  Except 
>>>> not through fire and destruction, but through neglect, regardless the 
>>>> cause.
>>>>
>>>> I have a two volume braille cookbook produced in 1944, in the relaxed 
>>>> spacing and slightly larger dots of the time, called California 
>>>> spacing, done in grade one and a half, which was popular then.  Evelyn 
>>>> Lee's cookbook.
>>>>
>>>> One of the cooking tips talks about a new and inexpensive device on the 
>>>> market anyone can purchase, called an egg separator.
>>>>
>>>> It also states in one of the tips that you can now get seedless raisins 
>>>> that are much easier to work with.
>>>>
>>>> The lady who developed the cookbook was blind, and the hundreds of 
>>>> recipes are her own, and kitchen tips, she calls Kross Cuts, are ones 
>>>> she developed as a blind cook that worked for her.
>>>>
>>>> My favorite alltime favorite Thousand Island dressing recipe comes from 
>>>> there, and I used to make it, but you can no longer get the canned 
>>>> onion juice or canned chili juice it requires.  The closest dressing in 
>>>> taste is Marie's Thousand Island Dressing.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela 
>>>> Dominguez via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:07 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> My point is they don't distribute them the way they were originally 
>>>> done;
>>>> they redo them in ueb.  Oh yes, I think I see what you mean.  If they 
>>>> are
>>>> going to do that,  what's to stop them from looking at a book and 
>>>> saying:
>>>> "This one isn't important; we don't have to do this; and we don't have 
>>>> to
>>>> keep it, either".  Yuck!  pam.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 7:18 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Cc: Judy Jones
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> I shudder to think what braille literature will be lost if they do not 
>>>> get
>>>> it duplicated.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela
>>>> Dominguez via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 4:09 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> I think the library of congress is already getting rid of them. 
>>>> Because
>>>> last time I was at the library, I took out a book that had a date 
>>>> before
>>>> 2015, so I thought it would be in standard braille.  What a surprise I 
>>>> got
>>>> when I took it home and it was not!  Also, it seems that when they 
>>>> digitize
>>>> them, they no longer digitize old ones they didn't catch up on, yet; 
>>>> even
>>>> though they are old books, they still are now in UEB.  Pam.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 1:23 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Cc: Judy Jones
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I understand, and now that you have a grasp on UEB anyway.
>>>>
>>>> The availability of US braille will gradually disappear as books get 
>>>> older.
>>>> On the otherhand, you might find materials in those books not available 
>>>> yet
>>>> in UEB.  US braille will be around for years, though.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka 
>>>> via
>>>> BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:20 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want to read something in old braille it takes me an hour 
>>>> to
>>>> read a page when I could Read and comprehend the children’s book in 
>>>> half an
>>>> hour or less?
>>>>
>>>> For me, old braille is any efficient. It’s personal preference. United
>>>> English braille makes more sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk 
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The best way to get use to it is to use it.  I encourage my braille
>>>>> students to read, read, read, and take the pressure off trying to
>>>>> memorize.  When you think about it, you didn't have to memorize how to
>>>>> spell the majority of words in the English language when learning to 
>>>>> read
>>>>> as a kid.  You were just trained to start reading a few simple phrases 
>>>>> at
>>>>> first, and gradually through spelling lessons, added to your 
>>>>> vocabulary.
>>>>> But the secret is read, read, read.  Memory comes through use without 
>>>>> the
>>>>> pressure of memorization.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Ericka
>>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 8:07 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>
>>>>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of the 
>>>>> house
>>>>> to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by the seaside or 
>>>>> byline
>>>>> Hass to be spelled out now.
>>>>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too 
>>>>> confusing.
>>>>> Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc. didn’t but 
>>>>> have
>>>>> you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a lot more like print 
>>>>> so
>>>>> it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In US Braille:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>>>>> At the end is a period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote
>>>>>> In middle, not used in literary braille.
>>>>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropped F:
>>>>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>>>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of the
>>>>>> rules did change for UEB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Ericka
>>>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I 
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped F, drop D and
>>>>>> dropped H. is in weird places main something depending on where they 
>>>>>> are.
>>>>>> That is confusing! I read faster in the new braille. I have children’s
>>>>>> books and some religious things for the taking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.  There 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> differences in the punctuation and numbers formatting, but the 
>>>>>>> numbers
>>>>>>> and letters themselves are all the same.  Most of the contractions 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> the same, they have done away with some of them, but you will never 
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> a strange formation of dots you can't recognize.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and although I
>>>>>>> prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>> Ericka
>>>>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are in 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I have braille 
>>>>>>> books
>>>>>>> that I really don’t want to toss, but I can’t read them well enough 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the pre-2015 braille to justify keeping. I’m willing to send them
>>>>>>> overseas or free matter them to someone who can’t send them 
>>>>>>> overseas.
>>>>>>> Let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
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