[BlindTlk] A question

Wed Mar 11 00:28:50 UTC 2020

It just shows you that we are all at different stages.

On 3/10/2020 6:55 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk wrote:
> This morning, when I went out to breakfast with a friend, I suddenly 
> decided I wanted to put some ketchup on my scrambled eggs and 
> homefries. So, I looked along the wall for the bottle of ketchup and 
> opened it and started trying to get it to come out on the food.  A 
> little drop did, then, it stopped.  The waitor asked why I didn't tell 
> him I wanted him to do it.  I looked at him, sort-of.  Then, he said:  
> "I know, you want to be independent".  I said, "No, I just wanna be 
> me".  Personally, I never would have thought of asking. But my friend, 
> eating breakfast with me, started feeling like she had to explain to 
> me that a lot of people in my building don't know how to do things for 
> themselves.  I really didn't need to be told that, and I didn't think 
> it mattered for me.  Unfortunately, this diner is down the street from 
> a buildingful of blind people, so the public gets to see some of the 
> worst behavior.  I actually ended up having a tug-of-war with a 
> waitor, a long time ago, to get the milk pitcher and the spoon out of 
> his hand, so I could fix my own coffee before he made a mess of it.  
> Most of them are getting to know enough to just bring me the coffee 
> and the milk, the way they do everybody else who is not blind.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: PLipovsky via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:27 PM
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> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] A question
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> I agree unless it's really something noticeable.  It never ceases to 
> amaze me how some visually impaired folks are not taught the proper 
> manners or etiquette when growing up, such as eating with a knife and 
> fork, not with your hands, chewing your food with your mouth open, 
> etc.  parents that do this don't realize they are doing that child an 
> injustice.
>
> When I was young, my Mom cut up my food for me until one day I told 
> her I wanted to do it myself, and guess what, it wasn't that hard to 
> do.  I know some that have a restaurant cut up their food for them all 
> the time before it's brought out to the table.  I understand if a 
> person simply prefers not to do that themselves, , but I don't think 
> it present a good image of blind folks to the general public to do 
> that.  Of course, I'm pretty independent and have always been that 
> way, and do realize independence is different for everyone.
>
>
>
> be
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via 
> BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:36 PM
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> It isn't easy.  If you don't know the person I would say it's best not 
> to say anything.
>
>
> On 3/10/2020 3:10 PM, Sherri via BlindTlk wrote:
>> I appreciate this conversation.  For those who have children, you 
>> know they
>> are quick and not always so tactful about pointing out things. This
>> particular instance refers to the table manners of a friend who was
>> visiting.  It's a very sticky subject!  I would want to be told if my
>> manners offended someone so I could try to change them.  I also 
>> appreciate
>> being told if I have a shirt on that is stained, dirty or 
>> see-through.  I
>> would much rather know than have people talk about it behind my 
>> back.  My
>> mom was a stickler for good manners, good hygiene, etc. and I am glad 
>> she
>> was.  My question is how do you tell someone without offending them?  
>> Pat,
>> thanks for bringing this matter to our attention.
>>
>> Sherri
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> PLipovsky
>> via BlindTlk
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>> What I'm thinking is most people who don't know you probably won't say
>> anything.  If they know you, depending on how well you know each 
>> other would
>> probably determine whether or not they said anything.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via 
>> BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 1:36 PM
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>> It does depend on the social skills of the person telling you.
>>
>>
>> On 3/10/2020 12:41 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk wrote:
>>> It would depend on how they told me.  In most cases, I probably would
>>> thank them, and be glad they told me.  I was wearing a shirt that was
>>> able to be seen through.  A person told me, and I felt embarrassed
>>> because I didn't know, but I was grateful, and thanked her. Now, if
>>> the person was snarky about it, depending on how, that might make a
>>> difference in how I responded. Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: PLipovsky via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2020 8:49 PM
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>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] A question
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I had a discussion about this with someone the other day, and thought
>>> I would throw it out to you to get your input..
>>>
>>> If a friend, or someone you know with vision told you there was a
>>> stain on your shirt, or your pants were dirty or wrinkled, would  you
>>> get offended?
>>>
>>>
>>> Since I always try to look my best, especially when out in public, I
>>> personally would welcome that, in fact, I've told people if they see
>>> something not quite right to always let me know, as I would rather
>>> know so I can fix it rather than go around looking sloppy.
>>>
>>> Any opinions?
>>>
>>>
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