[BlindTlk] {Spam?} RE: {Spam?} Re: [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
Judy Jones
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Fri Mar 12 16:26:34 UTC 2021
Amen and Amen!!!!
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I don’t care about skin color. Just heart and actions.
Ericka Nelson
> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:13 PM, Madison Martin via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Well said Mark!!!! I really don't care what colour someone's skin is or where they're from as long as they're nice and treat me the way I want to be treated. And yes I think it's truly awful the way white people treated (and still do) people of colour. Maybe I'm weird for not caring about others look like, but I don't care.
>
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> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mark Tardif
> via BlindTlk
> Sent: March 11, 2021 10:50 AM
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> Cc: Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>
> Yea, Wisconsin, yea, Norway, yea, Germany, and yea to you Lutherans! I'm a proud, blind, northern New Englander, and don't forget it, LOL.
>
>
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ericka via BlindTlk
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:20 AM
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> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>
> You have a right to your opinion. However as you hit it to your
> whiteness and your southern us; don’t forget that the white people
> didn’t want to do the work on the plantations so they imported black
> slaves. They didn’t want to be here either. Yes I am a proud
> northerner but unlike you I am not proud of what white people in power
> have done to others they did not understand. I am very proud and gray
> to the Native American man who taught McCain travel and ended up being
> the best man at our wedding. I’ve learned more from black people about myself and about humanity than any white person.
>
> Narrowness is only appropriate for roads in the eyes of needles.
> Remember both are dangerous. Remember in the Bible which I know
> Catholics do a read it says “do want to others as you would have them
> do onto you.“ Do you want someone to look at blindness as the same
> negative that you look at others who are not white?
>
> From a proud blind, female, northerner who’s roots are in Norway in
> Germany who just so happens to be white who is Lutheran.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:23 AM, Raymond Foret Jr via BlindTlk
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Nor am I happy with the leftist direction the NFB has taken. To
>> speak frankly, I am very concerned to see the NFB support a socialist
>> organization like Black Lives Matter (who wants to destroy America)
>> and this really is almost a step too far for me. As the recent years
>> have gone by, I have seen the NFB fall backwards little by little
>> with respect to ground we supposedly gained. While it is true to say
>> that we should not always be in an armed camp mentality, neither
>> should we forget how to fight if we have to. OF late, this seems to
>> have escaped us. I now have some cause to wonder whether a person
>> like me really can find a place in the NFB as it now exists. I dare
>> speculate that if I myself tendered my resignation, I would not be
>> missed either very much or even at all: after all, I contribute
>> nothing to the organization either monetarily or otherwise. Don’t
>> mistake me. I agree with the philosophy that the federation teaches
>> (or maybe I should say it this way, the philosophy that it taught
>> when I was at the Louisiana Center); but now, I question whether a
>> blind political conservative like me really belongs in the federation
>> at all. I dare speculate that if I today submitted my membership
>> resignation and gave my reasons, Mark would most likely not even bother to respond.
>>
>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my
>> Southernness
>>
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for
>> the
>> blind:
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, very astute.
>>>
>>> The NFB has its problems, but I still think the philosophy it was
>>> founded upon is the best thing going out there. The organization
>>> itself has gone through many changes, and reflects the trends of the
>>> culture, as we are a cross-section that represents the culture.
>>>
>>> Personally, I'm not happy with the left-leaning trend the
>>> organization has taken, that it has forgotten a lot of the bedrock
>>> philosophy that made it a great organization, but the whole focus
>>> should be on issues faced by blind Americans.
>>>
>>> While the blind driver challenge, is glitzy, raises our profile, and
>>> highlights a blind entrepreneur, (which I think is great) the other
>>> shouldn't be dropped. Why do we still have our 30 percent
>>> employment rate, even after all these years? Posting government and
>>> legal jobs isn't going to help the average person get a job to earn
>>> table money while they go to school. I think we've gone down too
>>> many rabbit trails and can't keep up with all of them.
>>>
>>> Also, if we don't care for the regime that is in place, why do we
>>> sit complacently by and let them in year after year? I'm not by any
>>> means stating any dissatisfaction with anyone, but just saying, why,
>>> in our history, don't we have people running against the groomed
>>> candidate? Why don't we have others running against the incumbent in elections?
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mary McGee
>>> via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:02 AM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Mary McGee <mmcatitude at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
>>> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>
>>> Hello, All,
>>> I don't use a guide dog. If you do, fine! What I'm going to say
>>> will offend some people, so I will apologize in advance and say
>>> please stop reading if you believe the NFB is always right.
>>> It doesn't matter if the contract allowed for repo of the dog when
>>> there appears to be no proof that it was overweight or needs shots!
>>> There must be proof! And it appears this isn't the first instance
>>> of disregard for consumers of this facility.
>>> I'm also a survivor of sexual abuse at an NFB National Convention.
>>> I believe whether it's guide dog repo or sexual abuse, the
>>> organization generally was to "investigate" but take no positive
>>> action. I can public an email where Mark Riccobono refuses to give
>>> me an appointment to discuss my experience until his "investigation" is finished.
>>> The NFB has taken people's money for years. I really cares about
>>> donations and dues! It's leaders live pretty lavishly. Something
>>> needs to change and the answer isn't in the Blind Driver Challenge!
>>> Maybe we, the membership, need to vote out every national and
>>> state leader and board member. But, oh yes, we can't, because
>>> they're hand-picked by the establishment that perpetuates itself
>>> with its disfavor of guide dogs, women, and other marginalized people.
>>> In Iowa, there has been some media attention about the sexual abuse.
>>> Perhaps there needs to be some of that regarding the guide dog
>>> problems that no one wants to address. The only way reach an
>>> organization that doesn't want to notice is to hurt its funding.
>>> Media attention can help with that. After all, look what happened to the Catholic Church!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Mary L. McGee
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Roanna Bacchus via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:47 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus <r-bacchus at outlook.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
>>> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>
>>> Hi Peter and everyone,
>>>
>>> I hope all of you are doing well. An individual with a disability
>>> whether it is blindness, cancer, diabetes, or any other conditions
>>> should be allowed to use a guide dog for independent travel. I am
>>> proud of everyone who has chosen to leave Nagdu or the National
>>> Federation Of The Blind regardless of the reason. The President and
>>> Nagdu's Board of Directors should be ashamed of their behavior
>>> concerning this issue. I hope that both Les and Reverend Blake
>>> receive a personal apology from Southeastern Guide Dogs and the Nfb.
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2021 10:56 AM, Peter Donahue via BlindTlk
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This sounds like nothing more than delaying tactics.
>>> Whenever a serious issue comes to NAGDU’s attention the line, “We
>>> need to investigate all angles” is use to brush these matters aside
>>> and nothing happens to address the issue. Marion is not the only one
>>> who left NAGDU because of their lack of action and unwillingness to
>>> aggressively address important issues for guide dog users beyond
>>> accessibility. Access for guide dog users is only one side of the
>>> coin. The other concerns guide dog training, it’s current practices
>>> and the need for serious changes to be made to increase training
>>> opportunities for blind persons wishing to use a guide dog for independent travel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>> via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 4:40 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
>>> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Marion,
>>>
>>> It's because of the current trouble that we need you more than ever.
>>>
>>> Thank you for all your support through the years. We all have
>>> benefised in ways we may not know.
>>>
>>> Seed-planters like yourself don't often see the results of their
>>> work, but results are there, nevertheless.
>>>
>>>
>>> Judy
>>> sent from the Android BrailleSense Polaris
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Marion Gwizdala, via BlindTlk
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> ,flagdu at nfbnet.org,blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 08:00 PM
>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response concerning the
>>> recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I realized that my following message did not get posted to the list;
>>> rather, it went to Raul. I am forwarding it so there is a record of
>>> the facts, not the revision presented.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>
>>> Blind411 at verizon.net <mailto:Blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Marion Gwizdala,
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 5:20 PM
>>> To: 'Raul A. Gallegos - NAGDU'
>>> Subject: RE: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response concerning the recent
>>> discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to correct the record of what President Gallegos has stated
>>> in his message; otherwise, I tacitly agree that what he is stating
>>> is fact and it is not! In this message, President Gallegos states,
>>> "we try to investigate all angles from all sides to gather as much
>>> information as possible". As I have already stated, his first
>>> reaction was "I need to call Southeastern". Then what did President
>>> Gallegos do for the rest of the evening. Well, I received several
>>> text messages from apple with one time passcodes because he was
>>> working on the NAGDU app and needed those passcodes to reset the
>>> password. Did he gather any information? Did he contact Rev. Blake?
>>> This is directly contradictory to the assertion he made in which he
>>> states, "I would like to personally reassure everyone reading that I very much care and so does the NAGDU board of directors."
>>> If he really cared he would have followed up immediately. He never
>>> called me to follow-up and get her contact information until Saturday evening.
>>> Did he call her on Saturday? Did he call her on Sunday? Did he call
>>> her on Moneday? It was not until today, llikely with a great deal of
>>> pressure mounting from his membership that he reached out to Rev. Blake.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will also remind everyone that this caring board of directors
>>> discussed the Les Demers case several months ago and chose not to
>>> pursue it; in the words of one member of the board I spoke with, "we
>>> felt it was all opinion". Really? That is how decisions are made to
>>> protect the rights of guide dog users?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I really have no right to say much more, as I am no longer a member
>>> of the National Association of Guide Dog Users or the National
>>> Federation of the Blind. Some have told me it must have been a
>>> difficult decision to resign my membership in an organization I have
>>> served for thirty-four years. Actually, it was not a difficult
>>> decision to make, as it is clear the organization cannot be relied
>>> upon to protect the rights of guide dog users. I have heard it said
>>> that when you are on the barricades fighting for your rights and
>>> feel all alone, turn around and you will see 50,000 Federationists
>>> standing behind you. Yesterday I turned around and the Federation had retreated. No, it was not a difficult decision to make.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will continue to fight for the rights of blind people and guide
>>> dog users but I will do it independently. If you need my help,
>>> please do not hesitate to get in touch with me. If nothing else,
>>> when you turn around, I will be there!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>
>>> Blind411 at verizon.net <mailto:Blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: NFB-NAGDU > On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos - NAGDU via
>>> NFB-NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 4:39 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Master List >
>>> Subject: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response concerning the recent
>>> discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Fellow Federation family,
>>>
>>> As you have no doubt seen by now, there is some discussion about an
>>> incident involving a woman in Florida who recently had her guide dog
>>> taken away by a representative of Southeastern Guide Dogs.
>>> Additionally, there is some discussion on social media where it has
>>> been said that members of the NAGDU board of directors, specifically
>>> me, couldn't care less about this situation. I would like to
>>> personally reassure everyone reading that I very much care and so does the NAGDU board of directors.
>>> Furthermore, we do not condone any illegal actions taken by anyone
>>> against a blind person. As is also common with Federation policy, we
>>> try to investigate all angles from all sides to gather as much
>>> information as possible before deciding on an appropriate course of
>>> action. We are also here to support the efforts of local affiliates
>>> and guide dog user divisions. In this instance, the Florida Association of Guide Dog Users.
>>>
>>> I would also like to remind everyone that if there is something that
>>> you need to discuss with the NAGDU board of directors, you can
>>> always reach out to us by emailing board at nagdu.org <mailto:board at nagdu.org> .
>>> Additionally, you can reach out to any individual board member by
>>> using their direct email address, comprised of their first initial,
>>> the last name, followed by @nagdu.org. While we may not be able to
>>> find an instant solution, we will listen to you and we will
>>> investigate if we do not have all the facts.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Raul A. Gallegos / President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users, NAGDU
>>> 832.554.7285 | RGallegos at nagdu.org <mailto:RGallegos at nagdu.org>
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