[BlindTlk] You are a fall risk because you are blind

Sun Sep 3 04:10:29 UTC 2023

That was a personality conflict with the aggression on the teacher's end.
I hate when those happen.  I had two conflicts with two math teachers in
one year and neither helped me or my grades at all.

-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sat, 2 Sep 2023, kevin SiscoKevin via BlindTlk wrote:

> She tried to spread the story around that I jumped.
>
> Kevin
>
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> On 9/2/2023 12:33 PM, Ericka via BlindTlk wrote:
> > What a rotten teacher! I hope she felt guilty.
> >
> > Ericka Nelson
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 2, 2023, at 1:45 PM, kevin SiscoKevin via BlindTlk
> >> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> That really hit home.  I was in a bad school system many years ago.  One of
> >> the teachers took away my cane and I did fall down the stairs.  She made me
> >> a fall risk and I sometimes flash back to that but not as often thank
> >> goodness.
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
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> >>
> >>> On 9/2/2023 11:04 AM, Jody ianuzzi via BlindTlk wrote:
> >>> All courses the insurance companies and their filling of liability. That's
> >>> the problem! Let's exclude blind people from society completely and then
> >>> they won't be a liability at all! Where can it end?
> >>>
> >>> Or how about the blind child that is an allowed to use white cane in
> >>> school because they might hurt someone by swinging it around. It's OK if
> >>> the kid falls down the stairs.
> >>>
> >>> This is really scary!
> >>>
> >>> JODY
> >>>
> >>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
> >>> Erik Weihenmayer
> >>>
> >>>>> On Sep 2, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Laz via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>> Actually it's not the fault of the doctors or nurses despite their
> >>>> unawareness or not; it's an insurance thing. I found this out the last
> >>>> time
> >>>> I was in the hospital a few years ago, having my toe amputated. The first
> >>>> time I tried to use the bathroom, I found myself standing on a very
> >>>> bouncy
> >>>> pad on the floor which covered quite a large area. I asked the nurses and
> >>>> doctors about it and found out it was because the insurance company has
> >>>> blind people on the list of fall risks and to cover their asses, the
> >>>> hospital has to do whatever it takes to limit their liability
> >>>> possibilities. They would not remove the pad. I told them that the pad
> >>>> irself increased my risk of falling as it made me very unstable when
> >>>> trying
> >>>> to walk, and they responded that I should just call the nurse if I needed
> >>>> to use the bathroom and she would help me get there safely. I told them
> >>>> that if I went down, there was no way she would be able to stop me and
> >>>> would likely result in two people being at risk of falling. It didn't
> >>>> make
> >>>> any difference. The pad remained and I just learned to balance on it even
> >>>> after my toe had been amputated and I had to be very careful how I walked
> >>>> to avoid hurting it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Laz
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 12:07 PM Jody ianuzzi via BlindTlk <
> >>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is my point exactly. We were all lumped together in one category
> >>>>> They
> >>>>> never bother to get to know us as individuals I like the good old days
> >>>>> when
> >>>>> a doctor spent more time talking with you than they did entering
> >>>>> information into the computer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> JODY
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
> >>>>> Erik Weihenmayer
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 2, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk <
> >>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> In the southern states those hunting turkeys with shotguns get sent to
> >>>>>> Lions World International to rehabilitate once they join the blind
> >>>>>> club.
> >>>>>> These people have not yet adjusted to blindness and are at a higher
> >>>>>> fall
> >>>>>> risk.  Some elderly people loose their sight and do not go through
> >>>>>> adjustment to blindness programs and for as long as they're alive
> >>>>>> remain
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> fall risk.  Medical and social workers having looked at you before
> >>>>> reading
> >>>>>> your chart react more toward safety for those in their care.  If the
> >>>>>> information on your chart with regard to blindness isn't accurate for
> >>>>>> whatever reason then even if those  workers look at your chart they'll
> >>>>> not
> >>>>>> be correctly informed either.  It wasn't until after 2013 and my
> >>>>>> retirement I learned what really caused my blindness and that I had
> >>>>>> never
> >>>>>> seen anything.  Doctors and parents earlier weren't completely truthful
> >>>>>> with themselves or me which is why I learned the real diagnosis as late
> >>>>> as
> >>>>>> I did.  By the way, I was able to give that information to 23andme
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>> may help genetic research.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> >>>>>> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Sep 2023, The Braille Cat via BlindTlk wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Man?? These folks with their total inability to think outside of the
> >>>>> Box really make me tired! I mean it's not like we went blind five
> >>>>> minutes
> >>>>> ago now is it??
> >>>>>>> Jack and Bex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPod
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk <
> >>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It might be different now, but the last time I was hospitalized in
> >>>>> 2012, I got up when I wanted to, and went and used the bathroom and
> >>>>> whatever.  I didn’t even know they didn’t want me to until I was almost
> >>>>> ready to go home.  But the reason I say it might be different now is, I
> >>>>> go
> >>>>> to see my doctor in a hospital-type setting, and I complained that the
> >>>>> security guard didn’t want me to practically move, not to go out by
> >>>>> myself
> >>>>> to get my ride, not to come down from the other floor myself, not
> >>>>> anything,
> >>>>> and everybody I complained to said that he was doing the right thing,
> >>>>> because he was looking out for my safety because I can’t see.
> >>>>> Access-a-ride wants you outside ten minutes before the ride, and it
> >>>>> didn’t
> >>>>> matter what I said, he would not let me.  He said they had to come in
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> get me.  Pam.
> >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Mama Otter via BlindTlk
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:03 PM
> >>>>>>> To: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
> >>>>>>> Cc: Mama Otter
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] You are a fall risk because you are blind
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello. I can attest to this. I have also been totally blind since
> >>>>>>> birth.
> >>>>>>> I have been hospitalized 3 times this year and all 3 times was told I
> >>>>>>> could not get out of bed by myself because I was blind and I was a big
> >>>>>>> fall risk. This was infuriating and degrading to say the least. I
> >>>>>>> complained to various doctors and nurses with no result. So it is
> >>>>>>> definitely rampant among medical professionals which is wrong in my
> >>>>>>> opinion. I do have balance issues but they are not related to my sight
> >>>>>>> or lack thereof and I do know how to compensate for them and have not
> >>>>>>> fallen ever in my home. And believe me with 2 cats underfoot there are
> >>>>>>> enough fall risks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Charlotte
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 9/1/2023 6:35 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Jody,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No, I haven't gotten that, at this point.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In fact, the PT for my torn meniscus stated that blindness doesn't
> >>>>> affect
> >>>>>>>> my balance, as it has been a life-long condition, but thought I might
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> something vistibular going on since I also have been in Covid
> >>>>> long-haul.
> >>>>>>>> His respect for you should have run up a notch when you mentioned
> >>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>> martial arts expertise hahahaha.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It may either be time to shop for a new doc, or start him on an
> >>>>> "education"
> >>>>>>>> program.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Judy
> >>>>>>>> sent from my Samsung Galaxy phone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 4:25 PM Jody ianuzzi via BlindTlk <
> >>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The last time I went to see my doctor he really made me angry. He
> >>>>> told me
> >>>>>>>>> that he was concerned that I might fall because of my visual
> >>>>> impairment.  I
> >>>>>>>>> said that if I just lost my site that there would be a period of
> >>>>> adjustment
> >>>>>>>>> where I would have to learn alternative techniques to be more
> >>>>> confident.  I
> >>>>>>>>> told him that I have  been blind my entire life  I had no more
> >>>>>>>>> chance
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> falling than he did and that since I started learning the martial
> >>>>> arts 52
> >>>>>>>>> years ago, I could probably teach him how to fall without getting
> >>>>> hurt!
> >>>>>>>>> Since this happened I have relayed the story to many people have
> >>>>>>>>> told
> >>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>> that they are also considered a fall risk by medical professionals.
> >>>>> So is
> >>>>>>>>> this a new protocol? Are we all incompetent at walking without
> >>>>>>>>> having
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Since this happened I have relayed the story to many people who have
> >>>>> told
> >>>>>>>>> me that they are also considered a fall risk by medical
> >>>>> professionals. So
> >>>>>>>>> is this a new protocol? Are we all incompetent at walking without
> >>>>> having to
> >>>>>>>>> worry about falling?  I think it is so much of a coincidence that I
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> heard the story from many places around the country. I think I think
> >>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>> really have to educate the medical profession as well as everyone
> >>>>> else!
> >>>>>>>>> JODY
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO
> >>>>>>>>> BARRIERS
> >>>>>>>>> Erik Weihenmayer
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 6:55 PM, Raul Gallegos - NAGDU via BlindTlk <
> >>>>>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Mark. That’s a new one for sure.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On a different but slightly related note, I went on a cruise
> >>>>>>>>>> earlier
> >>>>>>>>> this year.
> >>>>>>>>>> Upon my re-entry back onboard the ship after indulging a nice and
> >>>>> long
> >>>>>>>>> day of sun and adult beverages, the security folks wanted to check
> >>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>> cane
> >>>>>>>>> before letting me on the ship. I politely declined and told the nice
> >>>>>>>>> security person that my cane posed no threat and that I could just
> >>>>> walk
> >>>>>>>>> through the gate and that I have done this many times. He was rather
> >>>>>>>>> insistent, however. So, the compromise was to let me walk through,
> >>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>> they would check the cane anyway. Considering I was tired, and a
> >>>>> little,
> >>>>>>>>> well, happy, and I didn’t want my good mood to be ruined, I let the
> >>>>>>>>> security folks check my cane after I walked through. Here is where
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> funny part comes in.
> >>>>>>>>>> As I am standing in front of the nice security person while my cane
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> getting checked for contraband, he puts his hands under mine and
> >>>>> tells me
> >>>>>>>>> that it is all going to be okay, and I can just lean forward on him,
> >>>>> and he
> >>>>>>>>> will make sure I do not fall. I instantly figured out that he
> >>>>>>>>> honestly
> >>>>>>>>> thought my cane was for balance, not guiding. Instead of educating
> >>>>>>>>> him
> >>>>>>>>> further, I grabbed his hands and started dancing with him. We
> >>>>>>>>> twirled
> >>>>>>>>> around a few times, and as we danced, I educated him that my balance
> >>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>> better than fine, and that my cane made a great dance partner when
> >>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>> wife
> >>>>>>>>> was not around and when my cane wasn’t doing its real job of guiding
> >>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>>>> In the end, it was a funny time, and hopefully, this nice security
> >>>>>>>>> cruise ship person received a little education in a positive way.
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Raul Gallegos
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: nFB-Talk <nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mark
> >>>>> Tardif
> >>>>>>>>> via nFB-Talk
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 5:25 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com>; NFB of Florida Internet
> >>>>>>>>> Mailing List <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>; NFB Talk Mailing List <
> >>>>>>>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [NFB-Talk] Strange Stuff
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Alright, friends.  I’m going to tell you something that will either
> >>>>>>>>> leave you laughing or crying, and it is to demonstrate that no
> >>>>>>>>> matter
> >>>>> how
> >>>>>>>>> well educated you are, if you are not familiar with blindness, well,
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>> can still come across as, to put it politely, not the brightest
> >>>>>>>>> light
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the room.  The other day I saw a doctor I had never met before.  He
> >>>>> had
> >>>>>>>>> never spoken with someone who was born blind, and I suspect he had
> >>>>> never
> >>>>>>>>> spoken with any blind person.  Anyway, he saw my long white cane
> >>>>>>>>> and,
> >>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>> this, asked if this was my “eye stick.”  Yes, that was the term he
> >>>>> actually
> >>>>>>>>> used, “eye stick.”  I wasn’t sure whether to laugh or to just moan
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> sadness, but one does need to remember manners in this situation, so
> >>>>> I told
> >>>>>>>>> him that we call it a long white cane and told him what it was for.
> >>>>> He
> >>>>>>>>> actually asked a number of good questions about blindness, which I
> >>>>> thought
> >>>>>>>>> was good, but it was clear that he needed much educating.  He seemed
> >>>>>>>>> surprised I can actually walk around town independently.  I guess we
> >>>>> have a
> >>>>>>>>> lot of work to do, still, to put it mildly.  Also, I must say that
> >>>>> while
> >>>>>>>>> people up here are often extremely nice and courteous, they seem to
> >>>>> pride
> >>>>>>>>> themselves on being quite insular, even more than the rest of Maine,
> >>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>> is my state incidentally.  I say that because along with the term
> >>>>>>>>> “eye
> >>>>>>>>> stick,” I’ve often heard some very strange and, frankly, primitive
> >>>>> ideas
> >>>>>>>>> that I won’t actually go into here, but I do often think that holds
> >>>>> us back
> >>>>>>>>> in a lot of ways.  Anyway, I just thought I would share that bit of
> >>>>>>>>> strangeness.
> >>>>>>>>>> Mark Tardif
> >>>>>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> >>>>>>>>>>
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