I have a password file in my note taker I started in 1997 at the suggestion ofafriend, and that list has been great to have. It's come with me through 5 note takers now.<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />Judy<BR />sent from the HIMS Android BrailleSense Polaris<BR />"Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."<BR /><BR />----- Original Message -----<BR />From: Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />Date: Monday, June 03, 2019 05:51 PM<BR />Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Help buying a smart phone please...<BR /><BR />Exactly. I had a set of Braille notecards one on the phone for each password. Then I updated forgetting to update cards. <BR /><BR />Ericka Nelson<BR /><BR />> On Jun 3, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> wrote:<BR />> <BR />> Until dash lane gets hacked. That already happened to last pass once.<BR />> <BR />>> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Judy Jones via BlindTlk wrote:<BR />>> <BR />>> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:48:00<BR />>> From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59@gmail.com><BR />>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Help buying a smart phone please...<BR />>> <BR />>> Yes, but if you download and use an app like Dashline, that should take care<BR />>> of that problem.<BR />>> <BR />>> Judy<BR />>> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."<BR />>> <BR />>> <BR />>> <BR />>> -----Original Message-----<BR />>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jude<BR />>> DaShiell via BlindTlk<BR />>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 2:39 PM<BR />>> To: Ericka via BlindTlk<BR />>> Cc: Jude DaShiell<BR />>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Help buying a smart phone please...<BR />>> <BR />>> Unfortunately, these phones don't export passwords. When I get<BR />>> passwords and when I remember I write those down in braille. If other<BR />>> braille users are around, I can always use encryption.<BR />>> <BR />>> One simple technique for encryption has everything broken into 5 letter<BR />>> groups and the first letter is a clear letter but every letter after<BR />>> that first letter gets added to the last letter. An example, the word<BR />>> letter encrypts like this:<BR />>> lqkejd.<BR />>> <BR />>> Alphabet has 26 letters in it unless you want to put upper-case and<BR />>> numbers in which case the character set has 62.<BR />>> To make things easy, lower-case upper-case then numbers in that order<BR />>> could lay out the character set.<BR />>> For password encryption if you went beyond letters and numbers and that<BR />>> happens often you'd have to use the whole 95-character printing set<BR />>> omitting the space.<BR />>> <BR />>>> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Ericka via BlindTlk wrote:<BR />>>> <BR />>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 16:41:13<BR />>>> From: Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>>> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1@gmail.com><BR />>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Help buying a smart phone please...<BR />>>> <BR />>>> This depresses me. I don?t want to change! I?d better get all my passwords<BR />>> figured out before I have to get a new one. :-)<BR />>>> <BR />>>> Ericka Nelson<BR />>>> <BR />>>>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk<BR />>> <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> wrote:<BR />>>>> <BR />>>>> Try 2014 when I got a 6+ that was new then.<BR />>>>> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Judy<BR />>>>> Jones via BlindTlk wrote:<BR />>>>> <BR />>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 15:44:15<BR />>>>>> From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>>>>> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59@gmail.com><BR />>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Help buying a smart phone please...<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> I believe iPhone supports their versions for five years, so depends on<BR />>> when<BR />>>>>> that one came out. Correct me if I am wrong.<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> Judy<BR />>>>>> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR />>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James<BR />>> Kelm<BR />>>>>> via BlindTlk<BR />>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:28 PM<BR />>>>>> To: 'Jude DaShiell'; 'James Kelm via BlindTlk'<BR />>>>>> Cc: James Kelm<BR />>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Help buying a smart phone please...<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> This is great! I am enjoying the discussion concerning Cell phones,<BR />>> and you<BR />>>>>> all are helping me to feel less of a dinesore. LOLL<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> OK, what are your thoughts? I spoke with my carrier, and they<BR />>> said<BR />>>>>> that I can get a iPhone 6S for around $250, I can't recall the exact<BR />>> number,<BR />>>>>> and it would cost me around $20 per month, which is definitely within<BR />>> my<BR />>>>>> budget. They of course have all of the iPhones up to the current<BR />>> model, but<BR />>>>>> they cost more. The 6S caught my attention because the guy said that<BR />>> he<BR />>>>>> couldn't see it being unsupported for quite a while, and it is the<BR />>> lowest<BR />>>>>> priced iPhone that they have.<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> Respectfully,<BR />>>>>> James<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR />>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell [mailto:jdashiel@panix.com]<BR />>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:54 PM<BR />>>>>> To: James Kelm via BlindTlk<BR />>>>>> Cc: James Kelm<BR />>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Help buying a smart phone please...<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> You're out of date already with the iPhone 4s. For the android choice<BR />>>>>> I'd ask what operating system upgrade can it take. Android 4 is<BR />>>>>> Ice-cream Sandwich and I got my tablet I think in 2014 that had a later<BR />>>>>> operating system on it than that. Android Q will be available later<BR />>>>>> this year and that's version 10. It's best to keep current with<BR />>>>>> operating systems if you value security. The iPhone 4s is obsolete<BR />>>>>> according to Apple.<BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019, James Kelm via BlindTlk wrote:<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 10:45:08<BR />>>>>>> From: James Kelm via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>>>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>>>>>> Cc: James Kelm <jameskelm@earthlink.net><BR />>>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Help buying a smart phone please...<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> Dear friends,<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> OK, I am going to be trying to enter into this century, at least as<BR />>>>>> far<BR />>>>>>> as telephones go! LOLL I can use your help!<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> I need to get a smart phone for work. But like so many others, I<BR />>> have<BR />>>>>> a<BR />>>>>>> limited financial budget. I need the phone for calls of course, but<BR />>> that<BR />>>>>> is<BR />>>>>>> actually somewhat secondary. I mainly need it so that I can learn<BR />>> about<BR />>>>>> the<BR />>>>>>> wide range of aps out there that are especially helpful for the blind.<BR />>> So<BR />>>>>>> my main question is this, I can get an affordable price on the<BR />>> following<BR />>>>>>> phones: Sky Devices 5.0Q 8GB 3G/4G Android 4.4 Unlocked $79.99, and<BR />>> the<BR />>>>>>> iPhone 4S 8 GB $99.00. Are either of these phones a particularly good<BR />>>>>>> choice for me to start my smart phone journey on? Also, are they<BR />>>>>> something<BR />>>>>>> that will serve me well, or will I be frustrated and out of date very<BR />>>>>>> quickly. Are they like getting a computer with an OS of Windows 5? I<BR />>>>>> tend<BR />>>>>>> to be more interested in the iPhone, but is this one a great deal<BR />>>>>> different<BR />>>>>>> from those that were just released? Like I said I need this for work,<BR />>> so<BR />>>>>> I<BR />>>>>>> want to make the right choices.<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> Thank you so much for your help!<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> Respectfully,<BR />>>>>>> James<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>>> _______________________________________________<BR />>>>>>> BlindTlk mailing list<BR />>>>>>> BlindTlk@nfbnet.org<BR />>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org<BR />>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for<BR />>>>>> BlindTlk:<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jdashiel%40panix.com<BR />>>>>>> <BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>>> <BR />>>>> <BR />>>>> --<BR />>>>> <BR />>>>> <BR />>>>> _______________________________________________<BR />>>>> BlindTlk mailing list<BR />>>>> BlindTlk@nfbnet.org<BR />>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org<BR />>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for<BR />>> BlindTlk:<BR />>>>> <BR />>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotwriter1%40gmail.com<BR />>>> _______________________________________________<BR />>>> BlindTlk mailing list<BR />>>> BlindTlk@nfbnet.org<BR />>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org<BR />>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for<BR />>> BlindTlk:<BR />>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jdashiel%40panix.com<BR />>>> <BR />>> <BR />>> <BR />> <BR />> -- <BR />> <BR />> <BR />> _______________________________________________<BR />> BlindTlk mailing list<BR />> BlindTlk@nfbnet.org<BR />> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org<BR />> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindTlk:<BR />> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotwriter1%40gmail.com<BR />_______________________________________________<BR />BlindTlk mailing list<BR />BlindTlk@nfbnet.org<BR />http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org<BR />To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindTlk:<BR />http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/sonshines59%40gmail.com