Yeav portable.<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />Judy<BR />sent from the HIMS Android BrailleSense Polaris<BR /><BR />"Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."<BR /><BR />----- Original Message -----<BR />From: Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />Date: Friday, September 06, 2019 03:05 AM<BR />Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old<BR /><BR />As far as I can remember, the optacon was pretty portable. I think it was <BR />about the size of a desktop cassette recorder. I only saw it once, though, <BR />a long time ago. Pam.<BR /><BR />-----Original Message----- <BR />From: Ericka via BlindTlk<BR />Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 8:52 AM<BR />To: Blind Talk Mailing List<BR />Cc: Ericka<BR />Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old<BR /><BR />Why didn't they just make a more portable model rather than abandon them? I <BR />remember hearing that the first K- NFB type reading things were in the late <BR />70s. My husband uses Kurzweil 1000 on his computer. I don't know how to use <BR />it. I use Seeing AI mostly. For the bottles, we both have a script to talk <BR />station.<BR /><BR />Ericka Nelson<BR /><BR />> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> <BR />> wrote:<BR />><BR />> Yes, they are great, and individuals still sell them, and there are people <BR />> who still repair them, so they are alive and well.<BR />><BR />> Yes, you are actually reading print with this mechanical device. All this <BR />> before OCR technology. The blind person is the brains, and you are <BR />> actually reading what a sighted person would see.<BR />><BR />> You can read round medicine bottles and things that OCR can't touch.<BR />><BR />> Judy<BR />><BR />> -----Original Message-----<BR />> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka <BR />> via BlindTlk<BR />> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 7:09 PM<BR />> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<BR />> Cc: Ericka<BR />> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old<BR />><BR />> I saw one once but never got to use it. That was before I knew any braille <BR />> at all. From what I understand it raised the printer somethings so you can <BR />> read it. That would make sense Judy that you would understand. What do <BR />> people do when they're ancient up to cons die? You can't replace them and <BR />> I bet you can't fix them too easily either. I heard they were pretty cool.<BR />><BR />> Ericka Nelson<BR />><BR />>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> <BR />>> wrote:<BR />>><BR />>> It makes verymuch sense to those of us that use an optacon.<BR />>><BR />>> Judy<BR />>><BR />>><BR />>> -----Original Message-----<BR />>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka <BR />>> via BlindTlk<BR />>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:13 PM<BR />>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<BR />>> Cc: Ericka<BR />>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old<BR />>><BR />>><BR />>> I think it makes less sense to people who have never seen print done to <BR />>> those of us who could reprint at one time in our lives. It makes sense to <BR />>> let you know whether something is in bold or not. And if you are <BR />>> formatting something to be printed and look good for the side of the <BR />>> world it's important as well. The rest of the world centers titles a lot <BR />>> of times like on a resume for example. I do think it's stupid that they <BR />>> took some signs away. Braille is a lot of extra pages. Someone told me <BR />>> once that it takes three braille pages to equal the information one <BR />>> printed page and that's not including spacing such as between paragraphs <BR />>> etc.<BR />>><BR />>> I don't think you guys realize how different print is from braille. And I <BR />>> wouldn't expect any person who was born blind and I only read braille to <BR />>> understand. Just be nice to those of us who can.<BR />>><BR />>> Ericka Nelson<BR />>><BR />>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Jesse Johnson via BlindTlk <BR />>>> <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> wrote:<BR />>>><BR />>>> I agree this new EB makes no sense at all<BR />>>><BR />>>> Sent from my iPhone<BR />>>><BR />>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk <BR />>>>> <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> wrote:<BR />>>>><BR />>>>> I know we can't do anything about it. I can read it somewhat better, <BR />>>>> depending on how much different stuff there is in it. If it's just <BR />>>>> regular text, it's okay. But I don't see any reason to ever write it, <BR />>>>> myself. I just don't think I will be put in a situation where that is <BR />>>>> necessary. Pam.<BR />>>>><BR />>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hyde, David W. (ESC) via BlindTlk<BR />>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 11:16 AM<BR />>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<BR />>>>> Cc: Hyde, David W. (ESC)<BR />>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old<BR />>>>><BR />>>>> Well, whether we like it or not, the train has left the station. I can <BR />>>>> read UEB better than I can write it. Sixty years of doing it one way <BR />>>>> doesn't change in a moment. I still put words together, use signs that <BR />>>>> have gone away, and when reading, I come to a full stop when I see a, <BR />>>>> followed by tion.<BR />>>>><BR />>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR />>>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces@nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Johnson <BR />>>>> via BlindTlk<BR />>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:11 AM<BR />>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk@nfbnet.org><BR />>>>> Cc: Jesse Johnson <jayjohnson66@me.com><BR />>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old<BR />>>>><BR />>>>> I think of the old saying if it's not broke don't fix it they broke it <BR />>>>> by trying to fix it<BR />>>>><BR />>>>> Sent from my iPhone<BR />>>>><BR />>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> <BR />>>>>> wrote:<BR />>>>>><BR />>>>>> There are words that you can't combine together anymore like of the <BR />>>>>> house to have a space between it. The sign for by like "by the seaside <BR />>>>>> or byline Hass to be spelled out now.<BR />>>>>> Trust me, I've tried to read the stuff and I can't. It's too <BR />>>>>> confusing. Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc. <BR />>>>>> didn't but have you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a lot <BR />>>>>> more like print so it's easy for me to remember how to read.<BR />>>>>><BR />>>>>> Ericka Nelson<BR />>>>>><BR />>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <BR />>>>>>> <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> wrote:<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> In US Braille:<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.<BR />>>>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."<BR />>>>>>> At the end is a period.<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote In middle, not used in<BR />>>>>>> literary braille.<BR />>>>>>> At the end, a question-mark.<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> Dropped F:<BR />>>>>>> At beginning is the word "to."<BR />>>>>>> In the middle is a double-f.<BR />>>>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of the <BR />>>>>>> rules did change for UEB.<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> Judy<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR />>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of<BR />>>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk<BR />>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM<BR />>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<BR />>>>>>> Cc: Ericka<BR />>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I <BR />>>>>>> probably could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped F, <BR />>>>>>> drop D and dropped H. is in weird places main something depending on <BR />>>>>>> where they are. That is confusing! I read faster in the new braille. <BR />>>>>>> I have children's books and some religious things for the taking.<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>> Ericka Nelson<BR />>>>>>><BR />>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <BR />>>>>>>> <blindtlk@nfbnet.org> wrote:<BR />>>>>>>><BR />>>>>>>> Hi, Erika,<BR />>>>>>>><BR />>>>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US. There <BR />>>>>>>> are differences in the punctuation and numbers formatting, but the <BR />>>>>>>> numbers and letters themselves are all the same. Most of the <BR />>>>>>>> contractions are the same, they have done away with some of them, <BR />>>>>>>> but you will never find a strange formation of dots you can't <BR />>>>>>>> recognize.<BR />>>>>>>><BR />>>>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and although I <BR />>>>>>>> prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.<BR />>>>>>>><BR />>>>>>>> Judy<BR />>>>>>>> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."<BR />>>>>>>><BR />>>>>>>><BR />>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR />>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of<BR />>>>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk<BR />>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM<BR />>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<BR />>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka<BR />>>>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old<BR />>>>>>>><BR />>>>>>>> I'm wondering what people are doing with braille books that are in <BR />>>>>>>> that were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I have <BR />>>>>>>> braille books that I really don't want to toss, but I can't read <BR />>>>>>>> them well enough in the pre-2015 braille to justify keeping. I'm <BR />>>>>>>> willing to send them overseas or free matter them to someone who can't <BR />>>>>>>> send them overseas. 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