From inthecar2 at aol.com  Sat Mar  7 20:23:36 2020
From: inthecar2 at aol.com (Lonnie Dewitt)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 12:23:36 -0800
Subject: [BlindVet-Talk] Missouri Avenue, Christ revealed
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Hi young man I am interested in hearing more of what you have to offer

Lonnie, 916-968-0844

> On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via BlindVet-Talk <blindvet-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello, this is Mustafa and I am interested to speak to you folks about
> your faith. I would like to start with basic elements. Although the
> tale of Adam and Eve in Eden  is initially mentioned in Genesis, the
> current concept of Original Sin as known by Christians nowadays and
> yesterday has been initially and essentially developed by Saul of
> Tarsus whom Christians generically refer to as, Saint Paul. This
> concept is basically the backbone of Christian faith as we know it
> today. Unlike the Koran, the Bible is thought to be majorly parted to
> Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, God is clearly one and
> such concepts of Jesus being divine, the Trinity etc, haven?t been
> mentioned there. True, Christian apologists unsuccessfully attempt to
> strangely interpret things like, let?s make man in our immage and so
> on, still, that doesn?t explicitly speak of what has been later
> inserted by Paul and other authors. There are 29 verse of Jesus
> praying throughout the parables. I just don?t know folks, where could
> I go with Luke 6:12 as it says: ?It was at this time that He went off
> to the mountain to pray, and He spent the whole night in prayer to
> God.? How could he be divine afterward? How are you folks able to
> intently dispose of such plain evidence and falsely  stick to what is
> implicitly construed? It is quite odd for me to be deceitful of myself
> as such. Jesus has been plainly portrayed as someone who devotes
> himself to submit in full recognition and obeisance to Allah glory be
> to Him. Had he been divine, he would have not demanded to implore onto
> the most High. At his time of cataclysm, he prayed onto his Lord to
> help him. In Matthew 26:39, it says: ?And He went a little beyond
> them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is
> possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You
> will." Is this the disposal of an exalted being? Muslims therefore
> believe, that Jesus, peace be upon him was sent to people by God to
> deliver His message to them. That was the same mission of Moses,
> David, Solomon, John, Zechariah, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob
> and so on. Implicit in that, Islam is the religion of all those
> prophets, as they have been sealed by Muhammad, peace and blessings be
> upon him. In Islam, God doesn?t need someone to die on the Cross to
> forgive us. He glory be to Him is providentially Omnipotent  and
> eminently Self-sufficient to do so. The Christian concept of
> redemption is intellectually purblind. As plainly stated in the
> parables, Jesus has unappeasably implored to God in seclusion. That?s
> the common temperament of the pious. He thence couldn?t be worshipping
> and being worshipped simultaneously. I urge you folks to seek the
> truth and deferentially comply to it. Despite the consequences, truth
> is loud and worthy to be unconditionally consecrated. Let us just be
> impartial as we view such critical matters. I sternly urge you to
> substantially reassess and redress your theological belief. Basically,
> everything you hold up to is invented by Saul, the former Jewish
> persecutor of Christ?s actual disciples. Someone has just to be an oaf
> and a moron to allegedly entrust Saul of Tarsus, this awful ratter,
> kidder, slicker and immense chiseller. I can see how and why you might
> had felt outraged. Nonetheless, it isn?t my destined intent to provoke
> your offence. Basically, I have been demanded by some to read the
> Bible. Well, after I read its whole books and chapters couple of
> times, I caught the main theme and its obviously contradicting
> narrative. I haven?t done so because I am anxious or tentative about
> Islam. I was just kind of curious and, theology in genral is
> concurrently my major and passion. I therefore am quite settled
> regarding my convictions of Islam being the true and uniquely proper
> faith. I am scholarly motivated. I thence have noticed and kind of
> disliked how missionary activists tend to approach incompetent Muslim
> individuals and unethically pose misconceptions to them. Why do you
> deliberately evade confronting those of adequate status in the field?
> Aren?t you confident enough about your disposition? Ultimately, up
> until now, you all are shamefully paltering about the alleged
> proclamation of Christ?s deification in the scripture. Throughout the
> four Gospels, Jesus never explicitly, declared his divinity. To the
> contrary though, he has constantly attributed primacy and exhibited
> full submission and obedience to the Father, in other word, God in
> Jewish traditional terms. John 11:41-42, ?So they took away the stone.
> Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank you that you have
> heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this
> for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe
> that you sent me.? So, had he been truly divine, he would have
> straightly said, I am God incarnate, as Christians claim. So, we?re
> addressing here a crucial factor. Christians allegedly assert that
> Jesus claimed to be God. I say fine, where is that in the Bible? They
> then either quote sayings of Jesus that are implicit, in other words,
> competent of being broadly interpreted and discerned or, rely on what
> has been said by this liar, Paul. The latter is conspicuously
> notorious of being the primal persecutor of Christ?s actual disciples.
> All of a sudden, on his way to Damascus, he allegedly had a vision
> whereas Jesus has eh, appeared to him. Is that a credible figure for
> you? I noticed that some of you assume that prophet Muhammad, peace
> and blessings be upon him has lied about God. Well, I tell you this,
> inevitably, all Hadith, which is a tradition based on reports of the
> sayings and activities of prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon
> him, his companions and their apprentices, known terminologically as
> the followers, is essentially grounded on immense integrity, relevance
> and high application of morality. So, someone who relates something
> about the prophet, his companions or even the generation after them
> has to be trustworthy, accurate, credible, and of eminent excellence.
> Is any of that applied to the path which through the Bible has been
> transmitted? So for instance, this man Mark, what is his full name? We
> knew the proper biographical record of the leastwise of any vector in
> a chain of reporters that pertained to any Hadith. His birth,
> upbringing, his teachers, reputation, reliance and even his death date
> and region. Do you know the full biography of Luke? The process of the
> two texts is substantially different. I wish to see someone with
> sufficient courage to tackle this challenging concern. Look everyone,
> I knew all about this. All converts to Christianity are doing so for
> immigration, visa issuance and permanent residence purposes. For them,
> the States is a final destination. Nonetheless, as of myself, I am of
> different disposal. I wish to make you bear witness against yourselves
> for intently disposing those of sufficient adequacy and seeking to
> raptly pick out people of zero caveat and of extreme poverty and
> ignorance to gradually proselytise to them. This constantly occur in
> majorly developing nations and refugee camps. It troubles me indeed,
> seeing bungling individuals poorly taken advantage of as such. I
> sternly look forward to someone of the missionary or the pastoral
> arena responding to this sort of allegation I am afraid. Neglecting me
> though, shall make this accusatory proposition more firm and
> confirmed. Let us be honest and plain. I unfortunately have wholly
> exposed evangelist?s vicious shenanigan. Some may go to college campus
> and opt Muslim students who are not sufficiently aware of theological
> matters to pose misconceptions to them. These detrimental notions are
> often affiliated with racial disparity. Well, such as, what brought
> you here? Go back to your country and so on. Calling a Church the
> white flag reflects this intrinsical assumption of allegedly favouring
> Caucasian race. Hasn?t it been essentially based on superiority
> complex of their own complexion, they would have not been so
> denotative. I delt for awhile with southern Christians. Thus,  I knew
> what I am talking about. They measuredly derogate those of darker
> complexion. This ethical scandal is broadly known about them. That?s
> why they fond Trump, despite his evil character. I respectfully demand
> you folks to confront me. Whether the ranking staff of Alpha and Omega
> or the White Flag, you both are mutually addressed with this strident
> rhetoric. I challenge you to show me in the whole Bible, just one
> statement, clearly uttered on the lips of Jesus Christ, openly
> demanding divinity. I urge you to look for this in the whole scripture
> and it won?t ever be found, basically because, it just doesn?t exist.
> If I ever caught this as described above, I shall then be christened
> instantly. What does Matthew 14:23 say? ?After he had dismissed them,
> he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. When evening came, he
> was there alone.? Honestly, is that the disposal of someone with
> divine nature? With this  criticising rhetoric, I address someone?s
> basic intellect. Obviously, Jesus ate, slept and prayed. With this in
> mind, how could he be divine then? Well, it was in the fourth
> ecumenical council of Chalcedon, when the Hypostatic union doctrine
> has been ultimately professed. This is an essential factor to think
> of. Typically, people of pastoral devotion tend to intently evade
> conversing about such subjects. Basically, these philosophical
> discernments have appeared later in Christian theological history.
> Well, common pastors etc won?t admit that. They will simply attempt to
> palter. Well, that?s the problem, they don?t want to admit their
> absolute failure on that regard. I therefore call pastors truth
> avoiders. They deliberately mislead their audience. In order to attain
> their religious objective of converting mortals, they tend to deceive,
> evade and prettify. Jesus is plainly divulged in the parables.
> Throughout them, he never expressed divinity of himself. Not once
> folks, not once. Well, how is that conveniently disposed? I honestly
> don?t know, how are they capable of reposing their conscience as such?
> Each and every wording spoken by Jesus confirms the fact that he is a
> prophet of God. He certainly has spoken with divine inspiration rather
> than essence. Well I hope after this lengthy demonstration, I?ll be
> confronted by someone who has sufficient courage and proper knowledge
> to deeply converse with me concerning what I proposed. This is
> theologian Mustafa from Cairo Egypt. I keenly look forward to hearing
> from someone with deferent characteristics to thoroughly speak with.
> 
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