[blparent] Mentoring

Allie alliemartins at gmail.com
Tue Nov 18 22:48:34 UTC 2008


I wish I lived closer.  I love doing that sort of thing.

--Allie


> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:28:43 -0700
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes

>Better yet, hook him up with a blind adult with good travel 
skills to help.
>You don't have to be a licensed instructor to be a good mentor.  
At this
>point, i think this child needs his mother, and perhaps a mentor.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>I am jumping in way late after a long computer crash.  But I 
wanted to point
>>out a few things.  The blind childrens center here in LA is 
teaching kids as
>>early as the child is walking to use a cane.  They start with a 
thing that
>>looks sort of like a walker but it is not quite a walker.  I have 
personally
>>seen little kids with the smallest cane ever.  They have pamplits 
and they
>>are there to help parents with little children.  I can give 
anyone who wants
>>it the number.  Rick is on the board of derectors out there.  I 
would have to
>>agree, it is a very bad idea to have a child hold on to you cane 
rather
>>then holding on by some other manner.
>> I have a few questions, Are you getting them proper ONM and have 
they seen
>> a licenced  instructor who can help?
>> And Tammy, I had no idea Collen was blind.  How did I miss that? 
Hmmm
>> I had a few other thaughts, and when I remember them I will post 
them.
>> AMber
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>I guess we'll never know the ratios at those places, but if you 
were one
>>>person for, say 8 babies, I could see doing it--though it would 
break my
>>>heart.

>>> When I worked at a day-care, another staff member and I had 17
>>> one-year-olds all by ourselves.  Ratio is one adult for four 
children.
>>> It was a zoo.  I can't imagine having those kinds of ratios 
every day
>>> 24/7.
>>> Barbara

>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:28 PM
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes

>>>> Hi,
>>>> I honestly am at a loss for what to say that might help you.  It 
sounds
>>>> like you're doing the best you can with what you have, and it's 
hard
>>>> enough teaching things to willing learners.  I don't know how 
anybody
>>>> could just put two kids in a crib or swing and leave them there.

>>>> Tammy
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>> To some extent you're right about being frustrated.  However, 
with them
>>>>> frustration kicks in the minute you introduce them to something 
new.
>>>>> They don't want to try anything new.  You see, for the first 
three
>>>>> years of their life no one asked a thing of them.  They probably 
spent
>>>>> the whole time in a crib or a swing.  I don't know what they do 
with
>>>>> gobs of children in an orphanage.  The time they spent in a 
foster home
>>>>> I don't know what was expected of them either.  I know when they 
went
>>>>> back to the orphanage when we said we'd take them, the foster 
parents
>>>>> were at their wits' end as to what to do with them.

>>>>> They fight us tooth and nail--literally--to stay in that happy 
place
>>>>> they knew, one more so than the other.
>>>>> Barbara

>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:51 PM
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes

>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> No, I'm not saying that at all.  But if it's frustrating them to 
the
>>>>>> point they throw the cane then they're not learning anything 
from the
>>>>>> experience.  Maybe they're showing you in their own way that 
they're
>>>>>> not ready for using a cane.  If they're developmentally 
challenged, it
>>>>>> would be sensible to keep showing them the cane, but not 
pressuring
>>>>>> them to use it.  Wait a bit until they ask about it or seem a 
little
>>>>>> interested in it and then maybe things will go better.  They're 
six
>>>>>> years old and not interested in the cane at all right now.  
What's
>>>>>> wrong with them holding on to someone's hand if they feel 
comfortable
>>>>>> doing that.  Why force a cane in to their hands when they don't 
know
>>>>>> how to be safe with it right now?  They'll just rebell against 
it
>>>>>> later, and then you're back at square one again.  My son loves 
using
>>>>>> his cane, but he's 3 and he sees us using ours all the time so 
that
>>>>>> helps.  He's recently started using it at school to go from one 
room
>>>>>> to the other, and I'm told he uses it well.  But if he didn't 
want to
>>>>>> use it, I wouldn't make him, and even in 3 years when he's six I
>>>>>> wouldn't pressure him to use it.  He'd get tired of falling down 
stairs
>>>>>> and bumping in to things eventually.  This isn't an issue of 
stopping
>>>>>> showing them how to use the cane, it's an issue of effective and 
safe
>>>>>> travel, and letting someone, anyone hold on to your cane for 
teaching
>>>>>> purposes is unsafe and dangerous for all concerned imo.

>>>>>> Tammy
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:10 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>>>> So tammy, are you saying if someone can't understand something 
from
>>>>>>> no fault of their own, we shouldn't try to teach them anything.  
this
>>>>>>> is like keeping them locked up because they are not the same as 
you
>>>>>>> or me.  These kids are developmentally challenged and I believe 
they
>>>>>>> should continue trying, not give up on them in any way, shape or
>>>>>>> form.  I beliee that each and everyday their mother should show 
them
>>>>>>> the cane and practice with it.  this is how some people learn.  
V
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:19 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> No, you're right, not everyone's a pro at first tap, but when a
>>>>>>>> person is
>>>>>>>> trying to learn how to use a cane properly they at least have 
the
>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>> know what the purpose of the cane is so they can at least try to 
use
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> effectively.  What's the point of trying to teach him something 
he
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> seem to understand?  It will just frustrate him and his mother, 
and
>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>> him to not want to use the cane at all, and that's far from what
>>>>>>>> anybody
>>>>>>>> involved wants.

>>>>>>>> Tammy
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>>>>>> We all have to start somewhere.  Not everyone is a pro at first
>>>>>>>>> tap.
>>>>>>>>> Smile.  When I went to the orientation center for the blind when 
I
>>>>>>>>> was 29,
>>>>>>>>> it was hard learning to trust it.  I always felt better holding 
on
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> someone.  All the instructors would show us how to hold it, 
where
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> hands should be and then they would turn us out to the wild.  
Some
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> were so frightened they dropped out and left the center.  
Imagine
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> scarry it is for a child to all of a sudden not be able to hold 
on
>>>>>>>>> to mom
>>>>>>>>> anymore and not be able to see.  If indeed, Barbara is just 
teaching
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> letting him hold the cane it is okay, but just for walking and
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> around it is not a good idea for either of them.  V
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:10 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> If he doesn't know or has no concept of how and why to use a 
cane
>>>>>>>>>> then he
>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't be  using one.  As for holding on to your cane, there
>>>>>>>>>> has to be
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> better more safe way to travel with your children.  Not only are
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>>>>> yourself in danger when you let your child hold on to your cane,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> children are also in danger if you don't use safe methods of
>>>>>>>>>> traveling.

>>>>>>>>>> Tammy
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a problem we do have.  He refuses to use it 
correctly
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> a good thing I know our block and other places where I have him
>>>>>>>>>>> do that.
>>>>>>>>>>> Once in a while I do run into things or trip, but he has to 
learn
>>>>>>>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>>>>>>> Got any ideas how to get him to hold his own cane.  We've tried
>>>>>>>>>>> fastening
>>>>>>>>>>> it in his hand but he hates that.  The teaching cane is the best
>>>>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>>>>> I've found so far.  I'm not bragging when I say I'm a very good
>>>>>>>>>>> traveler
>>>>>>>>>>> who is very aware of my surroundings because I'm not brave at 
all
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> comes to new situations.
>>>>>>>>>>> Barbara


>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Dena Wainwright" <autumnrose21 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:12 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes

>>>>>>>>>>>> having a child hold onto your cane doesn't seem especially
>>>>>>>>>>>> effective or
>>>>>>>>>>>> safe to me...  how can you get accurate info with someone 
holding
>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> also, what if he lets go?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dena

>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, instead of holding your cane, you should have your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> child
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold onto your pants or belt loop.  V
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The leashes we have are just harnesses with the leash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached.  They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with velcro in the back.  They're kind of tricky to figure out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get the child's arms through in the right place.  We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often but if I take the twins alone I take one on a leash and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holds onto my cane.  I've even tied the one's cane to his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to spend forever looking for it if he drops it or throws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for cane tips?  That's a different story.  So far I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the pop off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barbara

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only had the opportunity to use it once and it was a real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belonged to our husky.  Gab thought it great fun to wear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shelby's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we made our way through a very busy airport in Las Angelas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what others think as long as my child is safe.  V
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:06 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've gotten comments on the leash I use for my daughter, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been positive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really though, I don't much care, because as parents, it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep our kids safe, while still providing them and ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oppertunities to get out and about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your husband doesn't have to like the leash, but he does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his child safe.  Liking the leash is not a requirement for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *using* a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blparent] Noisy shoes

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't thrilled about the squeaking shoes either, so I put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> son's shoes.  They are noisy, but at least it's a pleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noise to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listen to.  As for leashes, at least in the US, they sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones that are a small backpack that looks like an animal (we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monkey) and the tail of the animal is the leash.  Austin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (not all kids do, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course) and has even named it.  Maybe I get stares when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public, but at least I know Austin is safe.  And, I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> received a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments about how cute the leash is, and even what a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melissa

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