[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
Tammy, Paul and Colyn
tcl189 at rogers.com
Fri Oct 31 22:16:04 UTC 2008
Hi,
It's not fair to ask or expect that a child should do something that's not
part of their culture, just because a teacher thinks it's the right thing to
do. It's the parents who should teach manners, not the teachers. If the
teacher wants to teach manners to a specific child they should talk to the
parents first.
Tammy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
> Honestly, when my sister insisted that her students say "please" and
> "thank you" in her classroom, I didn't think that was unreasonable. There
> are some customs that are fairly universal, and that are helpful to know
> in this country and culture. It wasn't as if she was trying to make the
> kids pray facing east five times a day, or eat Kosher. She wanted an
> orderly, pleasant, courteous environment in which learning could take
> place. Having a basic set of social skills will be only beneficial to
> those kids, regardless of what their personal views turn out to be.
>
> Jo Elizabeth
>
> It is easy--terribly easy--to shake a man's faith in himself. To take
> advantage of that to break a man's spirit is devil's work. Take care of
> what you are doing. Take care.--George Bernard Shaw in "Candide"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>> agreed. now ADAYS we live in a world that has people from all different
>> cultures and beliefs. And who are we do define what the word manners
>> means? These same people that your implying should adopt your idea of
>> manners may feel just as strongly that you adopt there eating values, or
>> adopt there ways of raising children. How would you feel if you were
>> sitting in a restaurant eating a nice pork chop and an orthodox Jewish
>> person walked up and snagged that porkchop from your hand and told you
>> you could not eat it? You would likely be quite upset and rightfully so.
>> You would likely feel as if they had no rite telling you what to eat, and
>> had no rite imposing there beliefs on you. But your no different when you
>> tell others to say please or thank you. Your imposing your beliefs on
>> them and expecting that they adopt them.
>> It is a very bad idea to start imposing your beliefs on others as some
>> day that same thing may be done to you in a way in witch you would very
>> much hate. I think we all no of a horrific event in history in witch this
>> was done.
>> Amber
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume? You may want
>> to
>> study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions, because
>> manners vary greatly from culture to culture. Some languages don't even
>> have a wordl for please or thank you. It doesn't mean they're being
>> rude,
>> it's just not a word they need.
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>> > Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners. I assume we all know
>> what
>> > to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture, traumatic
>> > experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to teach
>> them
>> > to our future leaders. It's our responsibility as parents to do so,
>> or
>> > others will.
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>> >>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>> >>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >>Hi,
>> >>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>> > be right to
>> >>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>> >
>> >>tammy
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>> >>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>> > make
>> >>> right choices about raising polite children.
>> >>> Barbara
>> >
>> >
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>> > subject
>> >>>> matter.
>> >>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>> > okay to
>> >>>> hurt another human being.
>> >>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>> >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >>>> I have to agree. I see parents in public all the time that I
>> > just want
>> >>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>> > me, my
>> >>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue. I will say something in
>> > the
>> >>>> above instances, though. Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>> > chasing
>> >>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc. I'll do the same
>> > if
>> >>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>> >>>> Dena
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>>I agree with you on one point. If a child is being disruptive at
>> > an
>> >>>> event
>> >>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet. On the other points
>> > I
>> >>>> totally
>> >>>>>have to disagree with you on. If a parent allows there children
>> > to run
>> >>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>> > is
>> >>>> there
>> >>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>> > We
>> >>>> gripe
>> >>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>> > do do
>> >>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>> >>>> around
>> >>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>> > down on
>> >>>> when
>> >>>>>it is done to us. How would you feel if you had your child on a
>> > leash
>> >>>> in
>> >>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>> > parent
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>> > that
>> >>>> he
>> >>>>>was not a dog? I realize that the situations are not exactly
>> > alike,
>> >>>> but in
>> >>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>> > exactly
>> >
>> >>>>>alike. I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>> > in
>> >>>> stores,
>> >>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>> > tell
>> >>>> them
>> >>>>>how to raise there kids. And besides do we think that by us
>> > telling
>> >>>> them to
>> >>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>> > good
>> >>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>> >>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>> > a
>> >>>> peeve of
>> >>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do. LOL
>> >>>>> Amber
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: trishs
>> >>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>> >>>>> from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>> >>>>> Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>> >>>>> willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>> > almost
>> >>>>> got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut. I
>> >>>>> complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>> >>>>> should mind your own business, this is a family concert." I
>> > said
>> >>>>> I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family. "Your
>> > little
>> >>>>> man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>> > center
>> >>>>> of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate." They
>> >>>>> went into the office and complained about me. Nothing
>> > happened,
>> >>>>> but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>> >>>>> Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>> >>>>> public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>> > thing
>> >>>>> you do there is public. If I find your children running around
>> >>>>> in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>> >>>>> It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>> > you
>> >>>>> how to raise your family.
>> >
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