[blparent] calcium truth and legend was: Re: (no subject)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [blparent] calcium truth and legend was: Re: (no subject)


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>
> Dear Listers,
>
> As moderator I much prefer to respond privately to anyone who steps beyond
> the bounds of courtesy on this list.  However, since Tammy claims that the
> hostile exchange between her and Amber was tolerated, I would like to set
> the record straight and let you know that I wrote to both of them off list
> yesterday.  Since they both responded to my message I know it was 
> received.
> We are all entitled to our opinions, which naturally may differ widely.
> However, personal attacks of any kind are not acceptable on this list.
> Fortunately, the vast majority of listers adhere to this basic rule.
>
> A good principle is to follow the old-fashioned "count to ten" strategy 
> when
> you read a post that is upsetting.  In the case of email I find it's 
> usually
> a good idea to give it 24 hours and respond after some time for 
> reflection.
>
> Enough said.  Thanks for listening.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] calcium truth and legend was: Re: (no subject)
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I can assure you that my message below contains links and actual quotes
>> from peer reviewed studies, and if you do a search on bmj for them you'll
>> find them.  I'm sorry I didn't take time to quote the exact links, but I
>> thought my information would be adequate enough to help listers if they
>> wanted to look it up.  If they needed or if you needed more information 
>> my
>> email is not hidden, and people, including Amber could have emailed me 
>> off
>> list if they wanted to.  Instead she chose to flame me publicly, and you
>> chose to do nothing about it.
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] calcium truth and legend was: Re: (no subject)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The overriding purpose of this list is to share the experience of being
>>> or becoming a blind parent.  Obviously we are all concerned with a host
>>> of parenting issues that are not related to blindness, but this list
>>> isn't the forum for such exchanges.  On topics such as immunization or
>>> calcium intake I suggest we might share links to websites that may prove
>>> useful, and take further discussion off list.
>>>
>>> Debbie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:15 PM
>>> Subject: [blparent] calcium truth and legend was: Re: (no subject)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> ok, much of the below is completely untrue. First let me say that
>>>> everyone is entitled to and of course here encouraged to share opinions
>>>> and this is fine when they are just that, opinions.
>>>> However, much of the below, while stated as fact, is anything but.
>>>>
>>>> firstly, the dreaded enemy milk.
>>>> Milk is in fact often a woman's saviour.
>>>> Before trying calcium supplements see below.
>>>> Most nutritionists will tell you that if you can use a natural source 
>>>> of
>>>> a given element, almost no matter what it is, over a supplement, you
>>>> should do so.
>>>> Far from being the cause of indigestion, it often eases it, indigestion
>>>> is very often the cause of the dreaded pregnancy related heart burn 
>>>> that
>>>> many of us experience and a glass of milk when you have heartburn will
>>>> very often ease it completely.
>>>> Now for calcium supplements.
>>>> The problem with calcium is that it is only absorbed into the body in
>>>> the presence of magnesium, this is why low fat milks are no longer
>>>> touted as necessarily a good remedy for osteoporosis, the truth is they
>>>> just don't work.
>>>> If your calcium supplement does not contain magnesium, you are being
>>>> sold a pup and in many supplements particularly so called health
>>>> supplements this is very much the case.
>>>> They just don't do what they say.
>>>> Which brings us to the studies   not really actually quoted below.
>>>> The British medical journal:
>>>> http://www.bmj.com
>>>> published a study in think late 1994, but don't quote me on the year,
>>>> which showed that studies that convincingly demonstrated 1 product as
>>>> being notably  superior to all others on the market were often flawed
>>>> and investigation revealed that many of these studies are not in fact
>>>> independent.
>>>> Without knowing the actual study sighted below it's impossible to say
>>>> whether this fits.
>>>> Caution: if you are allergic to or intolerant to milk, then of course a
>>>> calcium supplement is by far your best bet but expensive is not
>>>> necessarily better.
>>>> Also, beware of posts like the below that make all traditional medicine
>>>> practitioners such as doctors, nutritionist, etc, out to be this evil
>>>> conspiracy group.
>>>> In general these opinions are flawed also.
>>>> In fact the so called natural health sector is far more likely to
>>>> contain fraudulent practitioners as it is very difficult to regulate 
>>>> and
>>>> has always been under regulated way back to the sellers of snake oils.
>>>> Many supplements are just that, snake oil by another name, be very
>>>> careful, and read labels whenever possible to make sure that along with
>>>> calcium your supplement has a magnesium component in it.
>>>> Note: amber, you may wish to spell check or at least proof read your
>>>> messages before sending, especially when stating supposed facts,  for
>>>> example, calcium, c, a, l, c, i, u, m.
>>>> For those of you having heart burn issues etc, don't give up on dairy
>>>> just yet, while the jury is definitely out on the below, there is a 
>>>> huge
>>>> body of evidence to suggest milk is very good for you druing and
>>>> immediately after pregnancy.
>>>> Hth.
>>>> Tammy
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:53 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] (no subject)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here is the deal with calsiam. Yes milk has some in it, about 300
>>>>> Milagrams in hole milk. However pregnant wiman need way more then that
>>>>> each day. Milk is a commen cause of sickness and digestion problems in
>>>>> Preggnant wimin, so many wimin stay clear of milk. There are other
>>>>> sorces of calsiam, but the best thing you can do is take a really good
>>>>> calsiam. The best on the market that is the most obzorbibale is made 
>>>>> by
>>>>> standard process. They are a bit pricy, but well werth it. They have
>>>>> done studies to show the benafits of lots of calsiam durrign
>>>>> preggnancy, and it can help with alot of problems. The only reasons I
>>>>> drink millk is to drink the way. Otherwise I don't really drink milk
>>>>> ever. But I always take the standard process, and am always very
>>>>> healthy.
>>>>>
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