[blparent] Accessible Homework?

Alex heyitslu at gmail.com
Fri Feb 20 20:26:50 UTC 2009


Hello, list!  Thank you so much for your suggestions and support.  I
live in middle TN.  What laws should I read to determine if homework
is required to be made accessible?  I do not approach the school
system, teachers, or IEP team in an agressive manner; however, when I
have approached them about sending IEP's and progress notes to me in
an accessible format, I was initially informed that my child did not
require those accomodations and the school system had no obligation to
accomodate me.  I don't plan to talk law unless I have to bring it
into the picture.  I always like to give people the opportunity to
make the most logical choice first.  The pre-school teacher with whom
I have worked has been fantastic about assisting me in filling out
forms, providing updates and answering questions via e-mnail, and
providing accessible versions of activities I can do to reinforce
classroom activities.  However, the school my son is zoned to attend
in the fall has a reputation for not being very accomodating; thus, I
want to ensure the IEP is written in such a way that the school will
be bound to provide such accomodations, so I can continue to reinforce
classroom learning.

Also, although visually impaired from birth, during the last few years
I have lost a significant amount of vision.  Most of my vision loss
came after I began working and was no longer eligible for Vocational
Rehabilitation services; thus, I do not have much adaptive equipment.
My employer has purchased JAWS for me but that is it, and the license
is now written in such a way that I am no longer able to update my
home computer.  Further, my recent and rather messy divorce following
a difficult marriage has left no extra funds with which to purchase
adaptive equipment.  In talking with others, I understand there are
devices that I can use to teach math and reading skills and complete
homework assignments, but I don't know what they are or which ones to
request.  I understand that knowing exactly what is the best fit for
our situation and being able to talk confidently about it will
increase the likelyhood of it being purchased for us to use while my
son is in school, but I just don't no where to start or whom to ask.
Are there devices or equipment that you have found helpful when
educating children.
I also appreciate the suggestion about teaching my son to read before
he goes to school, and we working on that; however, in addition to
autism, he has significant difficulty paying attention and is easily
distracted and frustrated.  I have some very limited funding to resume
ABA therapy, which we will do soon, but much of that time will be
directed toward following directions so he does not run away from me
and potty training.  My insurance company will not cover ABA training,
which he really needs, and which I feel would assist him in paying
attention and following directions.
Again, thanks so much for all of your suggestions and support.  It
truly is wonderful to have a place where I can ask questions.  For
some reason, I can always be much more creative when the situation
does not concern me or my son.  Thanks, Lucy



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>    3. Fw: Why God Made Moms - From Second Graders Point of View
>       (Jo Elizabeth Pinto)
>    4. Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog policy does not
>       discriminate (Wilson,	Joanne)
>    5. Re: Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
>       (Jo Elizabeth Pinto)
>    6. Re: Accessible Homework? (The BlindTechs Network)
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>    8. Re: Finding Educational Items for Children (Veronica Smith)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:53:54 -0700
> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding Educational Toys
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Try Playschool.  They have had letters and numbers and leters with Braille
> on them, and you can recognize the shapes of the letters and numbers.  i
> also one time had a puzzle that had the letter shapes and animals and other
> things imprinted on the lettters. ithought it was cool, but I don't know
> where it came from.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding Educational Toys
>
>
>> Hi.  Sarah has a couple of shape sorters and also a musical play table
>> that features shapes, colors, numbers, and letters as well as familiar
>> tunes.  I got some plastic letters, but I haven't been pleased with them
>> because they're fancier than just the basic alphabet that I can recognize.
>>
>> Still, my baby girl is only a year old, and I haven't really stressed
>> about teaching her anything.  I would encourage you to remember that
>> concepts such as shape and color recognition will come soon enough, but
>> just spending time playing with your baby, even if it's with wooden spoons
>>
>> and plastic cups or other household objects, and cuddling, is most
>> important.
>>
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> "Don't throw away the old bucket until you know whether the new one holds
>> water."--Swedish proverb
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jennifer Bazer" <jhipp25 at sc.rr.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding Educational Toys
>>
>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> Thank you and all members for the responses on educational toys.  The
>>> feedback has been very helpful.  I cannot wait to teach my child.
>>>
>>> Thank you again!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Alex
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:55 PM
>>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [blparent] Finding Educational Toys
>>>
>>> Hello!  I have found the Leap Frog line to be very good at teaching
>>> colors,
>>> shapes, and letters.  I particularly liked the Frij Farm, Frij Alphabet,
>>> and
>>> Frij Word Wammer.  The letters for the Frij Alphabet and Word Wammer are
>>> raised.  They are also different colors.  When the child is ready to
>>> build 3
>>> letter words with the Word Wammer, the toy prompts by giving clues about
>>> the
>>> letter.  One of the clues is the color of the letter block.  With the way
>>> these go into the slots the letters are self correcting.
>>> I also liked the Melisa and Doug toys, particularly puzzles.  They make
>>> lots
>>> of wooden toys, which are mostly quiet.  We have the zoo animals, pets,
>>> and
>>> transportation puzzles, which also make sounds when the pieces are fitted
>>> into the puzzle.  I labeled these in Braille, so we could talk about them
>>> when the pieces were not in the puzzle.  We also have the Melissa and
>>> Doug
>>> wooden clock.  This toy is tactile, so I can change the time, but it also
>>> offers a lot of visual interest for my sighted child (differently
>>> colored,
>>> removable shapes for each number on the dial).
>>> The Technology Access Center in this area will adapt toys around
>>> christmas
>>> time, so if you cannot find already adapted toys or someone who can
>>> assist
>>> you in adapting them, maybe contacting such a center would be benefitial.
>>> I hope this helps.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:12:13 -0500
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
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> Try a diaper wipe, it may help.
> You can also start wiping her fingers after meals and teach her to do
> likewise.
> We have a rule that food is consumed in the high chair with fingers and
> faces wiped afterword.
> And, trust me, your child will figure out the rules.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:05 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
>
> Thanks.  I don't think I'll have to use too much water, but I didn't
> want to mess up the pictures.
>
> Jo Elizabeth
>
> "Don't throw away the old bucket until you know whether the new one
> holds water."--Swedish proverb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pipi" <blahblahblah0822 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
>
>
>> you should be able to wipe the books off just fine. i'd just use a
>> damp cloth that isn't too wet and dry the book off after you are done.
>
>> it won't mess with the printing at all. i'd be more concerned with
>> getting it too wet and messing up the cardboard.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
>>
>>
>>> Speaking of ruining books, some of Sarah's favorites are getting kind
>
>>> of grimy from wet, sticky little fingers.  They're the cardboard
>>> Seedlings kind, but I was wondering if anybody knows whether they can
>
>>> be wiped off with a wet cloth without smudging the print.
>>>
>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>
>>> "Don't throw away the old bucket until you know whether the new one
>>> holds water."--Swedish proverb
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Eva Adams" <eadams15 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have found the difference is that seedlings books are the card
>>>>>board books  with the Braille on the clear plastic labels.  NBP
>>>>>books are spiral  bound  with paper pages for the print and the
>>>>>clear plastic thermaform pages  for  the Braille.  I personally like
>
>>>>>seedling books more.  They are better  priced, and the card board is
>
>>>>>harder for my daughter to ruin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eva
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:37:32 -0700
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> Subject: [blparent] Fw: Why God Made Moms - From Second Graders Point
> 	of View
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> WHY GOD MADE MOMS
>
>
>
> Answers given by 2nd grade school children to the following questions:
>
>
>
> Why did God make mothers?
>
> 1.  She's the only one who knows where the scotch tape is.
>
> 2.  Mostly to clean the house.
>
> 3.  To help us out of there when we were getting born.
>
> How did God make mothers?
>
> 1.  He used dirt, just like for the rest of us.
>
> 2.  Magic plus super powers and a lot of stirring.
>
> 3.  God made my mom just the same like he made me.  He just used bigger
> parts.
>
> What ingredients are mothers made of?
>
> 1.  God makes mothers out of clouds and angel hair and everything nice in
> the world and one dab of mean.
>
> 2.  They had to get their start from men's bones.  Then they mostly use
> string, I think.
>
> Why did God give you your mother and not some other mom?
>
> 1.  We're related.
>
> 2.  God knew she likes me a lot more than other people's mom like me.
>
> What kind of a little girl was your mom?
>
> 1.  My mom has always been my mom and none of that other stuff.
>
> 2.  I don't know because I wasn't there, but my guess would be pretty bossy.
>
> 3.  They say she used to be nice.
>
> What did mom need to know about dad before she married him?
>
> 1.  His last name.
>
> 2.  She had to know his background.  Like is he a crook?  Does he get drunk
> on beer?
>
> 3.  Does he make at least $800 a year?  Did he say NO to drugs and YES to
> chores?
>
> Why did your mom marry your dad?
>
> 1.  My dad makes the best spaghetti in the world.  And my mom eats a lot.
>
> 2.  She got too old to do anything else with him.
>
> 3.  My grandma says that mom didn't have her thinking cap on.
>
> Who's the boss at your house?
>
> 1.  Mom doesn't want to be boss, but she has to because dad's such a goof
> ball.
>
> 2.  Mom.  You can tell by room inspection.  She sees the stuff under the
> bed.
>
> 3.  I guess mom is, but only because she has a lot more to do than dad.
>
> What's the difference between moms and dads?
>
> 1.  Moms work at work and work at home and dads just go to work at work.
>
> 2.  Moms know how to talk to teachers without scaring them.
>
> 3.  Dads are taller and stronger, but moms have all the real power 'cause
> that's who you got to ask if you want to sleep over at your friends.
>
> 4.  Moms have magic, they make you feel better without medicine.
>
> What does your mom do in her spare time?
>
> 1.  Mothers don't do spare time.
>
> 2.  To hear her tell it, she pays bills all day long.
>
> What would it take to make your mom perfect?
>
> 1.  On the inside she's already perfect.  Outside, I think some kind of
> plastic surgery.
>
> 2.  Diet.  You know, her hair.  I'd diet, maybe blue.
>
> If you could change one thing about your mom, what would it be?
>
> 1.  She has this weird thing about me keeping my room clean.  I'd get rid of
> that.
>
> 2.  I'd make my mom smarter.  Then she would know it was my sister who did
> it not me.
>
> 3.  I would like for her to get rid of those invisible eyes on the back of
> her head.
>
>
>
> WHEN YOU STOP LAUGHING  --  SEND IT ON TO OTHER MOTHERS, GRANDMOTHERS, AND
> AUNTS....and anyone else who has anything to do with kids or just needs a
> good laugh!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:24:43 -0600
> From: "Wilson,	Joanne" <JWilson at nfb.org> (by way of David Andrews
> 	<dandrews at visi.com>)
> Subject: [blparent] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog policy
> 	does not discriminate
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
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>
> ----------
> From: Brammer, Robert [AG] [mailto:rbrammer at ag.state.ia.us]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: Brammer, Robert [AG]
> Subject: Atty. Gen. release: Jury finds IA Dept.
> for Blind's guide dog policy does not discriminate
>
> To News Editors.   From Bob Brammer (Iowa
> Attorney General?s Office ? 515-281-6699.)
> Please find a release pasted below.  This will be
> posted soon at
> <http://www.iowaattorneygeneral.org/>www.IowaAttorneyGeneral.org
> .  A jury entered a verdict Wednesday in this
> case in Polk County District Court.
> Best regards,  Bram
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> For immediate release ? Thursday, February 19, 2009.
> Contact Bob Brammer ? 515-281-6699
>
> Jury finds Iowa Department for the Blind?s
> Guide Dog Policy Does Not Discriminate
>
>              Des Moines.  A Polk County jury has
> rejected a Des Moines woman?s claim that the
> State of Iowa Department for the Blind
> discriminated against her by refusing her request
> to use a guide dog while she attended the
> Department?s orientation and adjustment training program.
>
>              The Department for the Blind
> orientation and training program is a
> comprehensive program that utilizes a totally
> non-visual approach to teaching blindness
> skills.  Students with partial vision are
> required to wear eyeshades to prevent reliance
> upon any visual cues during training.  Department
> policies prohibit the use of any visual aids
> within the orientation and training program,
> including guide dogs.  The Department has no
> objection to guide dogs in other situations.
>
>              Stephanie Dohmen, who is legally
> blind, attended the program for several months
> beginning in September 2000 and sought to
> re-enter the program in June 2002 accompanied by her guide dog.
>
>              Dohmen claimed in her lawsuit that
> the Department?s policy violated her rights under
> the Iowa Civil Rights Act and under federal laws
> that prohibit discrimination on the basis of disability.
>
>              After a six-day trial, the
> eight-person jury rejected Dohmen?s claims in a verdict entered Wednesday.
>
>
>              The Department for the Blind, which
> was represented in the trial by the Iowa Attorney
> General?s Office, argued that a totally
> non-visual approach ? and training without
> assistance of a guide-dog or other visual aids ?
> is the most effective approach for
> visually-impaired persons who are learning skills
> and techniques for dealing with blindness.
>
>              The Department places no limitations
> upon the use of guide dogs in other settings,
> including in the Department for the Blind
> building in downtown Des Moines.   For example,
> Karen Keninger, the Director of the Department,
> uses a guide dog, and the dog accompanied
> Keninger during her testimony at the trial.
>
>              The orientation program typically
> includes about six months of full-time training
> in various problem-solving skills, such as
> cane-travel on public streets, using Braille,
> using computers, and dealing with many other situations.
>
>              The Department for the Blind?s
> orientation and adjustment program was
> established in 1959 and is considered by many to
> be one of the most effective in the country.
>
>              During the trial, the State
> Department for the Blind presented testimony from
> Joanne Wilson and Frederic K. Schroeder, each a
> former Commissioner of the U.S. Rehabilitation
> Services Administration, which oversees programs
> for the blind around the country.
>
>              ?Iowa?s orientation program
> profoundly changes lives,? said Wilson, who also
> is Executive Director of the National Federation
> of the Blind.  ?It works.  It?s a cutting-edge
> program and a model for other states.?  Wilson is
> a Webster City native and ISU graduate who went
> through the Iowa Department for the Blind?s orientation program herself.
>
>              Schroeder said:  ?To me the central
> point is that individuals have a choice in the
> type of training they take.  While programs must
> and should make reasonable accommodations, they
> cannot be required to alter the fundamentals of the program.?
>
> - 30 -
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:00:23 -0700
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <023d01c992e5$d923d4e0$6800a8c0 at D6D5W7C1>
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>
> Believe it or not, I figured out all by myself that I should wipe my baby's
> fingers and face after she has eaten a meal in her high chair.  I don't let
> her crawl around the house with food, either.  But she has her fingers in
> her mouth a lot now that she's getting teeth, and so they're just
> perpetually gooey.
>
> Jo Elizabeth
>
> "Don't throw away the old bucket until you know whether the new one holds
> water."--Swedish proverb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
>
>
>> Try a diaper wipe, it may help.
>> You can also start wiping her fingers after meals and teach her to do
>> likewise.
>> We have a rule that food is consumed in the high chair with fingers and
>> faces wiped afterword.
>> And, trust me, your child will figure out the rules.
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:14:06 -0700
> From: The BlindTechs Network <info at theblindtechsnetwork.com>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> well, let me tell you this much.
>
> I got a nice setup now with lots and I mean frequent contact with the
> teacher and I get a garenteed very nice long narrative of the homework
> packet (on average 5 pages of homework) via email from the teacher.
> she goes as far as explaining the pictures, circling or anything else
> that I can't get Kayla to describe to me successfully.
>
> It always hasn't been this way though and it took allot of firm
> standing up for myself and diplimatic demands on my part and bringing
> up the rehab504 and 508 and local and federal statues specifics
> though, you can't just say "well, by law, you have! to help me because
> I am blind."
>
> the principle respects me more for going in there knowing what I was
> talking about instead of just using the law as a blanket statement
> because I am blind.
>
> Gabe Vega
> CEO
> The BlindTechs Network
> www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
> 623-565-9357 (voice)
> (206) 203-4400 (Fax Phone)
>
>
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>
>
> On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Elizabeth Cooks wrote:
>
> I just talked to someone about that this very morning, since my
> daughter will be in kindergarten this fall, and I have the same
> concerns.  Regular communication with the teacher is important, and
> maybe getting some sighted assistance to go over with you some of it
> will be important.  I have a friend whose child is in kindergarten
> this semester, and maybe she can help a little when Angelica is in
> this fall.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex" <heyitslu at gmail.com>
> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:24 PM
> Subject: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
>
>
>> Hello, all!  I am new to the listserve; thus, please forgive me if
>> these issues have previously been addressed.  I am a blind, single mom
>> and of an autistic, sighted, nearly 5-year-old boy, who will enter
>> kindergarten in the fall.  We live away from family and have few
>> friends in this area, who can provide frequent sighted assistance.  My
>> son already participates in the special education program at an
>> elementary school.  IEP's and progress reports as well as information
>> from his teacher and therapists have been made accessible; however,
>> homework assignments are not truly accessible.  His speech therapist
>> has pictures of vocabulary words, which accompany worksheets, games,
>> and lists of questions.  although not required, this is our first look
>> at homework, and I am extremely apprehensive regarding the future.  I
>> am concerned that I will not be able to assist him in completing
>> assignments.  I am also concerned about getting assignments in an
>> accessible format.  Although my son is starting to read, he only reads
>> when he feels like it, and he is not able to relate events of a day,
>> tell a story, etc.  How have you helped your children with homework,
>> particularly if your child is sighted but has other sensory and/or
>> communication challenges?
>> The speech therapist and I discussed this issue earlier today.  She
>> has proposed to e-mail me homework assignments or send them home on a
>> flash drive.  She has also agreed to outline the pictures in glue.
>> She said that she would label them for me, but she does not know
>> Braille and wants me to make the labels.  I don't have a problem
>> making labels, but making labels in the future will require
>> considerable planning in the future on everyone's part.  Also, the
>> school my son attends does not have a "Vision Rehabilitation Teacher",
>> and I was told that the Vision Teacher is only to assist visually
>> impaired students.
>> Does the school system have a legal obligation to make homework
>> assignments, IEP's, progress reports, etc.  accessible to me?  If so,
>> who usually ensures that these things are accessible?
>> Any advice and information you can provide would be greatly
>> appreciated.  The IEP is up for review in March.  I am trying to move
>> into this elementary school's zone because they are willing to work
>> with me but just don't seem to know how.  If we go to the elementary
>> school for which we are zoned, I am concerned the atmosphere will not
>> be as accomodating, and I will need to make sure that any
>> accomodations I need in order to properly support my son are well
>> delineated prior to entering that school.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Lucy
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:03:24 -0600
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] A digital TV problem
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi Karla and list.  Yep, I enjoy using a TV radio and was wondering if it
> would work after the transition to digital
> TV -- guess not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karla Hudson [mailto:HudsonKC at msu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blparent] A digital TV problem
>
> Hi list,
>
> I know this is not exactly a blind parent issue.  However, it is a issue
> that might impact blind individuals.  Do any of you use a TV radio?  You
> know the band on your radio that gets TV stations 2-13.  Well, I might  be
> old fashioned but I still use a TV radio.  I do not like my kids to see the
> evening news as I feel there is nothing educational for them to see during
> the news.  Anyway, that is an entirely different topic.
>
> I have discovered that with the digital TV transition that my TV part of my
> radio will no longer work.  I contacted the FCC but they all think I am some
> kind of alien.  Most have never heard of a TV radio.  I am wondering if this
> is going to be an issue for any other blind individuals and if the blindness
> organizations are addressing this in anyway.  Some have suggested that I
> connect a digital box to my Radio.  This takes away the mobility of the
> radio.  Also, two of our radio's happen to be shower radio types which would
> be impossible to connect to a box.
>
> Let me know if anyone has found this situation to be as frustrating as I
> have during this transition.  I feel as though I am the overlooked
> population.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:12:22 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding Educational Items for Children
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> You sound just like I did, but with one exception.  I didn't have very many
> people to ask.  The answers are at your fingertips.  What kind  of stuff
> would you like to know about; raised line stuff, blocks, books,  tactile
> items, talking things, you can get them all. V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Bazer" <jhipp25 at sc.rr.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:29 PM
> Subject: [blparent] Finding Educational Items for Children
>
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> Here is the crazy pregnant lady thinking very, very far ahead again.
>>
>> How can I obtain educational items to teach my child colors, alphabet,
>> shapes, etc?  Where do you recommend I go to purchase items like this?  I
>> did see that, I believe, NBP had an alphabet cards.  Any other
>> suggestions.
>> I just want to be able to expose my child to this at a very young age.
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:19:38 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding Educational Items for Children
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> Gab had something like that and it was made by V-Tech.  the only reason I
> loved it, besides all the stuff you mentioned is because it also had braille
> under each letter.  It played songs for each letter, it had a spelling mode
> for 3 letter words, it said the sounds for each letter, it told stories for
> each letter- like A ran away with the jolly joker, etc.  It barely works now
> and it is much to young for her, but every once in a while we come across it
> in her closet and she will still listen to it worble along.  i should just
> throw it away, but I don't have the heart to do so. V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" <melissa at riccobono.us>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding Educational Items for Children
>
>
>> Hello Jennifer,
>> There are actually tons of toys out there that help teach letters,
>> numbers,
>> and colors.  You might want to do some looking now and register for a
>> couple
>> you think are best; you will be surprised with the number of choices, and
>> how accessible many of these toys are.  Right now Austin's favorite toy is
>> one that has raised numbers 1-10, raised letters, and raised shapes.  It
>> plays music, so he liked it when he was younger for that reason.  Now that
>> he's older he likes pressing each letter to hear its sound, pressing the
>> numbers to hear them named, and pressing the shapes to hear them named.
>> There is also a mode where the toy will say the letter and then say a word
>> that begins with that letter.  And, it actually has another mode where it
>> will ask you to find a certain letter, number, or shape.  It will let you
>> know if you are right or wrong.  I'm sorry I don't know what brand it is,
>> or
>> even what it's called.  It was a gift, but I do know it was purchased at
>> Target.  It was 2 years ago, so I hope it's still being made...  Or, you
>> might even find something better.
>> Austin also has a wooden puzzle with 8 different shapes.  He loves
>> to name the shapes and put the puzzle together.  This was bought at a
>> second
>> hand store, but I'm sure you will be able to find something like it.
>> There are many books that teach color.  One of Austin's absolute favorites
>> is Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What Do You See? By Bill Martin Jr.  This is
>> available through Seedlings.  You can also do little things such as
>> memorizing what colors certain stuffed toys, rattles, etc. are and
>> mentioning the colors when your baby is very young.  I was worried about
>> Austin not knowing his colors, but all of a sudden he has just seemed to
>> pick them up, and I didn't do anything too special except for mentioning
>> colors of certain toys and things in books.  There are also books that
>> teach
>> shapes.
>> Now, for the commercial...  Discovery Toys, the company I sell for,
>> does have some great toys you can use for color, shape, and number
>> practice.
>> If you're interested, visit
>> http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/riccobono
>> and check them out.  I recommend Measure Up Cups, and the Giant Pegboard.
>> Roll and Play is also a fantastic game for toddlers; it works on colors,
>> turn taking, and following directions and it's tons of fun.  Roll and Play
>> comes with a soft fabric dy with six colors--one color on each side.  I
>> used
>> puff paint to mark the colors--a Braille r for red, Braille b for blue,
>> etc.
>> The child or adult shakes the dy and then has to pick a card of whatever
>> color comes up, then follow the directions on the card.  When I brailled
>> the
>> cards I put "red" or "blue" etc. on the top of each in Braille so I would
>> know what color they are.  Then underneath I brailled what each card says.
>> I haven't done this, but the pegs on the Giant Peg Board could be
>> easily marked in Braille with a letter for the color of the peg.  The pegs
>> are also five different shapes.  The Measure Up Cups could probably be
>> marked as well, but it might have to be done on the bottom.
>> Leap Frog also has some great toys for teaching all of these
>> concepts.  And, finally, there are those great magnetic letters and
>> numbers
>> for the refridgerator.  You can even get these with Braille all ready on
>> them; this was one of Austin's Christmas presents.
>> Good luck, and have fun picking out toys, books, etc. and exploring them
>> with your baby.  Know too that so much of learning doesn't take place with
>> fancy toys; it takes place with you just talking, reading to, and
>> interacting with your baby with simple household things and situations.
>> Melissa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jennifer Bazer
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:29 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: [blparent] Finding Educational Items for Children
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> Here is the crazy pregnant lady thinking very, very far ahead again.
>>
>> How can I obtain educational items to teach my child colors, alphabet,
>> shapes, etc?  Where do you recommend I go to purchase items like this?  I
>> did see that, I believe, NBP had an alphabet cards.  Any other
>> suggestions.
>> I just want to be able to expose my child to this at a very young age.
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:27:14 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Identity of Tooth Fairy
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> I think it all depends on the tooth.  Gab got $5 and a new toothbrush for
> her very first tooth and ever since then it depended on the tooth or
> circumstances of losing it. It has ranged from $1 to $1.5.  Like when it
> fell out in the swimming pool during a soccer get together and one of the
> dad's dove in to rescue it, well that tooth some how ranked $1 in all dimes.
> I don't know about other places or other school friends, but they name the
> days for falling teeth here, mad monday, 2 for tuesday, wacky wednesday,
> thriller thursday, fresh friday, silly saturday and special sunday.  So when
> that tooth falls on sunday, the tooth fairy has to come up with something
> special- in this house, she gave a stack of silly stickers- no cash. It just
> depends on the mood of the tooth fairy. Veronica
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Identity of Tooth Fairy
>
>
>> Yes, it is a dollar now, and my seven-year-old suggested a five might
>> be more appropriate.  The Tooth Fairy whoever he/she is didn't get
>> that message!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 04:19 PM 2/16/2009, you wrote:
>>>I've had a tooth pillow since I was a little girl.  It's a lacy
>>>pillow with a pocket to put the tooth in, and to find a quarter
>>>there in the morning--though inflation probably demands dollar bills
>>>now.  Anyway, the fairy on the pillow is a female, so I always
>>>figured the tooth fairy was a girl.  I'll use the pillow for Sarah
>>>some day, I guess, though since she just got her first baby tooth
>>>last week, I'm not ready to think of it falling out!
>>>
>>>Jo Elizabeth
>>>
>>>"Don't throw away the old bucket until you know whether the new one
>>>holds water."--Swedish proverb
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Adams" <eadams15 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:13 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] Identity of Tooth Fairy
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have always thought of the tooth fairy as a female.  She wears a
>>>>long pretty lacey dress, and carries a lacey purse that she puts the
>>>>teeth in.
>>>>
>>>>Love
>>>>Chris, Eva, and Brianna
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:35:08 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
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> Where do you live? Veronica
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex" <heyitslu at gmail.com>
> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:24 PM
> Subject: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
>
>
>> Hello, all!  I am new to the listserve; thus, please forgive me if
>> these issues have previously been addressed.  I am a blind, single mom
>> and of an autistic, sighted, nearly 5-year-old boy, who will enter
>> kindergarten in the fall.  We live away from family and have few
>> friends in this area, who can provide frequent sighted assistance.  My
>> son already participates in the special education program at an
>> elementary school.  IEP's and progress reports as well as information
>> from his teacher and therapists have been made accessible; however,
>> homework assignments are not truly accessible.  His speech therapist
>> has pictures of vocabulary words, which accompany worksheets, games,
>> and lists of questions.  although not required, this is our first look
>> at homework, and I am extremely apprehensive regarding the future.  I
>> am concerned that I will not be able to assist him in completing
>> assignments.  I am also concerned about getting assignments in an
>> accessible format.  Although my son is starting to read, he only reads
>> when he feels like it, and he is not able to relate events of a day,
>> tell a story, etc.  How have you helped your children with homework,
>> particularly if your child is sighted but has other sensory and/or
>> communication challenges?
>> The speech therapist and I discussed this issue earlier today.  She
>> has proposed to e-mail me homework assignments or send them home on a
>> flash drive.  She has also agreed to outline the pictures in glue.
>> She said that she would label them for me, but she does not know
>> Braille and wants me to make the labels.  I don't have a problem
>> making labels, but making labels in the future will require
>> considerable planning in the future on everyone's part.  Also, the
>> school my son attends does not have a "Vision Rehabilitation Teacher",
>> and I was told that the Vision Teacher is only to assist visually
>> impaired students.
>> Does the school system have a legal obligation to make homework
>> assignments, IEP's, progress reports, etc.  accessible to me?  If so,
>> who usually ensures that these things are accessible?
>> Any advice and information you can provide would be greatly
>> appreciated.  The IEP is up for review in March.  I am trying to move
>> into this elementary school's zone because they are willing to work
>> with me but just don't seem to know how.  If we go to the elementary
>> school for which we are zoned, I am concerned the atmosphere will not
>> be as accomodating, and I will need to make sure that any
>> accomodations I need in order to properly support my son are well
>> delineated prior to entering that school.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Lucy
>>
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> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
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> The teachers are always happy to be involved and so are the educational
> aids.  i just had Gab's teacher email all the homework home.  But she didn't
> have too much until this year.  the teachers we have had, would rather work
> them hard at school and leave after school for quality time  with the
> family. smile! V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eva Adams" <eadams15 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
>
>
>> My fiance and I occasionally talk about this same situation.  One idea we
>> thought of is hiring a tutor to hep our kid with her homework when she is
>> to
>> young to read it to us.  This person would either come to the house or we
>> would meet them after school.  I was thinking maybe a high school student
>> that wants to make a little extra money.
>>
>> Eva
>> Love
>> Chris, Eva, and Brianna
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex" <heyitslu at gmail.com>
>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:24 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
>>
>>
>>> Hello, all!  I am new to the listserve; thus, please forgive me if
>>> these issues have previously been addressed.  I am a blind, single mom
>>> and of an autistic, sighted, nearly 5-year-old boy, who will enter
>>> kindergarten in the fall.  We live away from family and have few
>>> friends in this area, who can provide frequent sighted assistance.  My
>>> son already participates in the special education program at an
>>> elementary school.  IEP's and progress reports as well as information
>>> from his teacher and therapists have been made accessible; however,
>>> homework assignments are not truly accessible.  His speech therapist
>>> has pictures of vocabulary words, which accompany worksheets, games,
>>> and lists of questions.  although not required, this is our first look
>>> at homework, and I am extremely apprehensive regarding the future.  I
>>> am concerned that I will not be able to assist him in completing
>>> assignments.  I am also concerned about getting assignments in an
>>> accessible format.  Although my son is starting to read, he only reads
>>> when he feels like it, and he is not able to relate events of a day,
>>> tell a story, etc.  How have you helped your children with homework,
>>> particularly if your child is sighted but has other sensory and/or
>>> communication challenges?
>>> The speech therapist and I discussed this issue earlier today.  She
>>> has proposed to e-mail me homework assignments or send them home on a
>>> flash drive.  She has also agreed to outline the pictures in glue.
>>> She said that she would label them for me, but she does not know
>>> Braille and wants me to make the labels.  I don't have a problem
>>> making labels, but making labels in the future will require
>>> considerable planning in the future on everyone's part.  Also, the
>>> school my son attends does not have a "Vision Rehabilitation Teacher",
>>> and I was told that the Vision Teacher is only to assist visually
>>> impaired students.
>>> Does the school system have a legal obligation to make homework
>>> assignments, IEP's, progress reports, etc.  accessible to me?  If so,
>>> who usually ensures that these things are accessible?
>>> Any advice and information you can provide would be greatly
>>> appreciated.  The IEP is up for review in March.  I am trying to move
>>> into this elementary school's zone because they are willing to work
>>> with me but just don't seem to know how.  If we go to the elementary
>>> school for which we are zoned, I am concerned the atmosphere will not
>>> be as accomodating, and I will need to make sure that any
>>> accomodations I need in order to properly support my son are well
>>> delineated prior to entering that school.
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Lucy
>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:44:38 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] A digital TV problem
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Carla, I just asked my husband and he said that since the signals are analog
> on the radio televisions, they no longer will work after June.  They will
> become history. V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karla Hudson" <HudsonKC at msu.edu>
> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:08 PM
> Subject: [blparent] A digital TV problem
>
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I know this is not exactly a blind parent issue.  However, it is a issue
>> that might impact blind individuals.  Do any of you use a TV radio?  You
>> know the band on your radio that gets TV stations 2-13.  Well, I might  be
>> old fashioned but I still use a TV radio.  I do not like my kids to see
>> the
>> evening news as I feel there is nothing educational for them to see during
>> the news.  Anyway, that is an entirely different topic.
>>
>> I have discovered that with the digital TV transition that my TV part of
>> my
>> radio will no longer work.  I contacted the FCC but they all think I am
>> some
>> kind of alien.  Most have never heard of a TV radio.  I am wondering if
>> this
>> is going to be an issue for any other blind individuals and if the
>> blindness
>> organizations are addressing this in anyway.  Some have suggested that I
>> connect a digital box to my Radio.  This takes away the mobility of the
>> radio.  Also, two of our radio's happen to be shower radio types which
>> would
>> be impossible to connect to a box.
>>
>> Let me know if anyone has found this situation to be as frustrating as I
>> have during this transition.  I feel as though I am the overlooked
>> population.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:48:49 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anyone used UPromise.com?
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Check with snoppes or your better business bureau.  Don't register your
> credit card anywhere. V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:37 PM
> Subject: [blparent] Has anyone used UPromise.com?
>
>
>> Hi, all.  I heard about a program today called UPromise.com that rewards a
>>
>> person with savings toward college for making purchases from member
>> companies.  The web site is pretty accessible, and the gist of the program
>>
>> seems sound--you register your credit card, then when you buy from member
>> companies, they contribute cash (usually one to eight percent of the
>> purchase price) toward your college savings account.  i heard about the
>> site from someone who is in the business of financial planning, and with
>> college so expensive, it seems like it might be a good idea to sign up and
>>
>> start saving for Sarah, even though she's only a year old.  I was
>> wondering if any of you have used the service, and if so, have you found
>> it reliable and worthwhile?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> "Don't throw away the old bucket until you know whether the new one holds
>> water."--Swedish proverb
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:50:05 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] A digital TV problem
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> Good choice. V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <trising at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] A digital TV problem
>
>
>> We do not have a Tv either, but we have a Tv radio. I was just reconciled
>> to
>> not being able to use it after the transition.
>>
>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:53:19 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] books
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> Thank you, I was beginning to think i made it up. (lol) V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eva Adams" <eadams15 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] books
>
>
>> The Utah State library has Braille books.  Colorado also has a Braille
>> book
>> library, but I am not sure if they lend their books out all over the
>> country
>> or just Colorado.  I can't remember the number for Utah.  I use to call
>> the
>> Utah library directly to order the Braille books I wanted.
>>
>> Love
>> Chris, Eva, and Brianna
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:14 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] books
>>
>>
>>> Hi guys.
>>> Per Veronica's email, I asked our talking book library about the Utah
>>> State Library and the Jernigan Institute's library.
>>> They have never heard of either program.
>>> Can somebody enlighten me?
>>> Veronica, so far you seem to be the only person who knows about these
>>> libraries. Can you give me a point of contact at each that I can then
>>> pass onto our talking book library?
>>>
>>> Thanks much.
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:02:20 -0500
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Smiles... You should know that spit cleans anything.
> And, just so you know, you wouldn't believe the number of parents I know
> that let their kids graze and roam. It will be dinnertime or whatever,
> the little darling will refuse to sit down and eat, and so mom will just
> hand the kid little bits of food while they literally run past,
> providing the rationale that "he just doesn't like to sit still" or "he
> can't sit still to eat".
> So, in case you'd fallen into that trap, I wanted to let you know that
> yes, she can and will sit down to eat.
> I've also discovered too, and this is how this relates to being a blind
> parent, messes expand into whatever area you allow them, so if you
> minimize the area, you minimize the amount of cleanup you need to do.
> It's like the law of gasses.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:00 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
>
> Believe it or not, I figured out all by myself that I should wipe my
> baby's fingers and face after she has eaten a meal in her high chair.  I
> don't let her crawl around the house with food, either.  But she has her
> fingers in her mouth a lot now that she's getting teeth, and so they're
> just perpetually gooey.
>
> Jo Elizabeth
>
> "Don't throw away the old bucket until you know whether the new one
> holds water."--Swedish proverb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Seedlings Verses NBPBooks (wiping off books)
>
>
>> Try a diaper wipe, it may help.
>> You can also start wiping her fingers after meals and teach her to do
>> likewise.
>> We have a rule that food is consumed in the high chair with fingers
>> and faces wiped afterword.
>> And, trust me, your child will figure out the rules.
>>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:27:12 -0600
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] A digital TV problem
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> I do not think that we're going to stop the roll-out of digital TV because
> it is incompatible with TV radios when tigital TV is incompatible with most
> televisions out there.
> Certainly we can question whether digital TV should be mandated, but that is
> really a separate argument.  The complete change has been in the works for
> years and
> the date had already been pushed back once to February of 2009.  It has now
> been pushed back again, but be aware that some stations are switching now
> anyway.
>
> I would guess that in time we will see some sort of small digital TV
> receivers, but it is hard to say whether we will see TV radios as we know
> it.  Analog TV sound as
> received by most TV radios was really treated the same as FM, so the only
> thing that changed was the frequencies tuned by the radio.  Receiving
> Digital TV is
> completely different, and it is even somewhat different than receiving HD
> radio on FM.
>
> While there are no perfect options, there are a couple of options that one
> should keep in mind.  First, many cable companies continue to use analog for
> at least
> some of their channels.  They are not forced to change and some are using
> this as a selling point.  Still, analog TV on cable systems probably won't
> last forever.
>
> Second, some digital converter boxes have audio outputs and can be fed
> directly into a stereo and/or boombox without the need to also have a TV
> connected.
> This can provide a source of sound on any device that has audio inputs.  It
> is even possible that such digital converters having audio outputs might be
> able to work
> with some of the small powered speaker systems that one can buy for laptops.
>
>
> There are several places where one can purchase very small and low power FM
> transmitters.  These devices are primarily intended for people who want to
> play a
> small device like an I Pod or portable CD player through a car stereo.  One
> connects the desired device to the transmitter and then one can hear that
> device on an
> FM frequency on any radio within fifty to a hundred feet depending upon the
> device.  One could connect a digital converter with audio outputs to such a
> device,
> tune in their favorite channel, and then hear that channel on any FM radio
> nearby, even if it is not a TV radio.
>
> Clearly, none of these options are ideal, and my guess is that as things
> change there will be products that might be particularly useful to us.  I
> think, though, that it
> would be difficult to make the case that the incompatibility with our radios
> is worse than the incompatibility with televisions even though there is
> certainly some
> frustration and inconvenience.  I am going to raise this question on our
> Electronics-Talk list to see what sorts of things have been tried.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:03:24 -0600, Robert Shelton wrote:
>
>>Hi Karla and list.  Yep, I enjoy using a TV radio and was wondering if it
>>would work after the transition to digital
>>TV -- guess not.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Karla Hudson [mailto:HudsonKC at msu.edu]
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:08 PM
>>To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Subject: [blparent] A digital TV problem
>
>>Hi list,
>
>>I know this is not exactly a blind parent issue.  However, it is a issue
>>that might impact blind individuals.  Do any of you use a TV radio?  You
>>know the band on your radio that gets TV stations 2-13.  Well, I might  be
>>old fashioned but I still use a TV radio.  I do not like my kids to see the
>>evening news as I feel there is nothing educational for them to see during
>>the news.  Anyway, that is an entirely different topic.
>
>>I have discovered that with the digital TV transition that my TV part of my
>>radio will no longer work.  I contacted the FCC but they all think I am
>> some
>>kind of alien.  Most have never heard of a TV radio.  I am wondering if
>> this
>>is going to be an issue for any other blind individuals and if the
>> blindness
>>organizations are addressing this in anyway.  Some have suggested that I
>>connect a digital box to my Radio.  This takes away the mobility of the
>>radio.  Also, two of our radio's happen to be shower radio types which
>> would
>>be impossible to connect to a box.
>
>>Let me know if anyone has found this situation to be as frustrating as I
>>have during this transition.  I feel as though I am the overlooked
>>population.
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:57:44 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Experience in the hospital
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Ask your Dr for the support group for breast feeders.  here it is called La
> Leche League. Veronica
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anjelina" <cruz.anjelina at mchsi.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Experience in the hospital
>
>
>> The staff was helpful, but it was difficult to get them to show me how to
>> breast feed. I'm now having a hard time. My mother never breast feed, and
>> she's been trying to convince me to switch to formula. I need to find
>> someone in my area or some way to get the hang of it. I've been pumping
>> milk
>> and thankfully she still will take to my Brest, but I don't think my
>> positioning is correct because she gets so frustrated.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:03 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Angelina,
>>
>> Please feel free to ask questions on-list if they're in any way related to
>> handling parenting issues as a blind person.  The discussions can be
>> helpful
>> to other parents of infants now and in future, as all posts are saved in
>> the
>> list archives.
>>
>> How was your experience in the hospital?  How did the nurses and staff
>> treat
>> you?  Did they seem comfortable teaching you techniques for breastfeeding,
>> diapering, bathing, etc.?
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anjelina" <cruz.anjelina at mchsi.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>
>>
>>> I'm doing ok. Definitely trying my best to adjust to everything. I'm
>>> trying
>>> to breastfeed and it's a bit challenging, but I'm not going to give up
>>> quit
>>> just yet.
>>> If anyone could contact me off list I'd appreciate it. I've got lots of
>>> questions and don't want to clutter up the list.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Veronica Smith
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:25 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>>
>>> Yippee! Congratulations, How are you feeling?  how is cloei? Veronica
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Anjelina" <cruz.anjelina at mchsi.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:04 PM
>>> Subject: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Due Date: 02/26/2009
>>>> Arrival Date:02-12-09 11:37 PM
>>>> Weight:6.74
>>>> Height:18.5
>>>> Name: Kloei Aliana
>>>>
>>>> I went into L&D at eight in the morning on the 12th. Since I was having
>>>> contractions on my own the docs decided to use the folly bulb rather
>>>> than
>>>> the jell to dilate my cervix. I was only at 1cm for the longest time.
>>>> At four O'clock I was four cm along and they had me walk for a while
>>>> after
>>>> breaking my water. Contractions were getting stronger and closer
>>>> together
>>>> so
>>>> I got an epidural and they started the pitosin it around eight. Kloei
>>>> Aliana
>>>> was born at 11:37 PM and weighed in at 6.74 and 18.5 inches. I'm so
>>>> blessed
>>>> to have this little miracle. I can't explain how I felt when they placed
>>>> her
>>>> on my belly. We had some scary moments. He was breathing so they had to
>>>> take
>>>> her away for a while. She's doing better regulating her temp. My family
>>>> has
>>>> been so supportive.
>>>> She is sleeping in her bassinet and has been feeding like a champ. I'll
>>>> write more later.
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:58:51 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Experience in the hospital
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Anjelina, are you drinking lots of milk and water.  you have to have lots of
> liquids to produce enough milk for her. V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anjelina" <cruz.anjelina at mchsi.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Experience in the hospital
>
>
>> The staff was helpful, but it was difficult to get them to show me how to
>> breast feed. I'm now having a hard time. My mother never breast feed, and
>> she's been trying to convince me to switch to formula. I need to find
>> someone in my area or some way to get the hang of it. I've been pumping
>> milk
>> and thankfully she still will take to my Brest, but I don't think my
>> positioning is correct because she gets so frustrated.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:03 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Angelina,
>>
>> Please feel free to ask questions on-list if they're in any way related to
>> handling parenting issues as a blind person.  The discussions can be
>> helpful
>> to other parents of infants now and in future, as all posts are saved in
>> the
>> list archives.
>>
>> How was your experience in the hospital?  How did the nurses and staff
>> treat
>> you?  Did they seem comfortable teaching you techniques for breastfeeding,
>> diapering, bathing, etc.?
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anjelina" <cruz.anjelina at mchsi.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>
>>
>>> I'm doing ok. Definitely trying my best to adjust to everything. I'm
>>> trying
>>> to breastfeed and it's a bit challenging, but I'm not going to give up
>>> quit
>>> just yet.
>>> If anyone could contact me off list I'd appreciate it. I've got lots of
>>> questions and don't want to clutter up the list.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Veronica Smith
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:25 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>>
>>> Yippee! Congratulations, How are you feeling?  how is cloei? Veronica
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Anjelina" <cruz.anjelina at mchsi.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:04 PM
>>> Subject: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Due Date: 02/26/2009
>>>> Arrival Date:02-12-09 11:37 PM
>>>> Weight:6.74
>>>> Height:18.5
>>>> Name: Kloei Aliana
>>>>
>>>> I went into L&D at eight in the morning on the 12th. Since I was having
>>>> contractions on my own the docs decided to use the folly bulb rather
>>>> than
>>>> the jell to dilate my cervix. I was only at 1cm for the longest time.
>>>> At four O'clock I was four cm along and they had me walk for a while
>>>> after
>>>> breaking my water. Contractions were getting stronger and closer
>>>> together
>>>> so
>>>> I got an epidural and they started the pitosin it around eight. Kloei
>>>> Aliana
>>>> was born at 11:37 PM and weighed in at 6.74 and 18.5 inches. I'm so
>>>> blessed
>>>> to have this little miracle. I can't explain how I felt when they placed
>>>> her
>>>> on my belly. We had some scary moments. He was breathing so they had to
>>>> take
>>>> her away for a while. She's doing better regulating her temp. My family
>>>> has
>>>> been so supportive.
>>>> She is sleeping in her bassinet and has been feeding like a champ. I'll
>>>> write more later.
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:01:19 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Experience in the hospital
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> My mother had to bottle feed as her nipples were inverted.  she pushed me to
> nurse though and i was glad for her support. V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Experience in the hospital
>
>
>>A couple things.
>> 1. Ask a mom who nurses in your area to show you, someone who loves
>> nursing as anybody who loves an activity, whatever it is, will be happy
>> to convey their knowledge to you.
>> 2. Ask your peditritian for a referal to a lactationconsultant.
>> 3. Contact La Leche League.
>> 4. Don't engage in a discussion with your mom if it will turn into a
>> power struggle. Information exchange is good, power struggles are not.
>> Her perspective will be different from yours based on her own
>> experiences and what was going on in her life when she had you, and
>> while her experience is useful, you need to make your own decitions
>> based on your circumstances.
>> 5. Give hera little bit in the bottle to take the edge off hunger and
>> try nursing when the initial hunger is gone.
>> 6. Cuddle up with a talking book or whatever helps you relax and see
>> what happens.
>> Btw, I tried to email you per your request and my email bounced. Get in
>> touch if you'd like to talk off-list.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Anjelina
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:46 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Experience in the hospital
>>
>> The staff was helpful, but it was difficult to get them to show me how
>> to breast feed. I'm now having a hard time. My mother never breast feed,
>> and she's been trying to convince me to switch to formula. I need to
>> find someone in my area or some way to get the hang of it. I've been
>> pumping milk and thankfully she still will take to my Brest, but I don't
>> think my positioning is correct because she gets so frustrated.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:03 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Angelina,
>>
>> Please feel free to ask questions on-list if they're in any way related
>> to handling parenting issues as a blind person.  The discussions can be
>> helpful to other parents of infants now and in future, as all posts are
>> saved in the list archives.
>>
>> How was your experience in the hospital?  How did the nurses and staff
>> treat you?  Did they seem comfortable teaching you techniques for
>> breastfeeding, diapering, bathing, etc.?
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anjelina" <cruz.anjelina at mchsi.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>
>>
>>> I'm doing ok. Definitely trying my best to adjust to everything. I'm
>>> trying to breastfeed and it's a bit challenging, but I'm not going to
>>> give up quit just yet.
>>> If anyone could contact me off list I'd appreciate it. I've got lots
>>> of questions and don't want to clutter up the list.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>
>>> On Behalf Of Veronica Smith
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:25 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>>
>>> Yippee! Congratulations, How are you feeling?  how is cloei? Veronica
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Anjelina" <cruz.anjelina at mchsi.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:04 PM
>>> Subject: [blparent] Kloei is here
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Due Date: 02/26/2009
>>>> Arrival Date:02-12-09 11:37 PM
>>>> Weight:6.74
>>>> Height:18.5
>>>> Name: Kloei Aliana
>>>>
>>>> I went into L&D at eight in the morning on the 12th. Since I was
>>>> having contractions on my own the docs decided to use the folly bulb
>>>> rather than the jell to dilate my cervix. I was only at 1cm for the
>> longest time.
>>>> At four O'clock I was four cm along and they had me walk for a while
>>>> after breaking my water. Contractions were getting stronger and
>>>> closer together so I got an epidural and they started the pitosin it
>>>> around eight. Kloei Aliana was born at 11:37 PM and weighed in at
>>>> 6.74 and 18.5 inches. I'm so blessed to have this little miracle. I
>>>> can't explain how I felt when they placed her on my belly. We had
>>>> some scary moments. He was breathing so they had to take her away for
>>
>>>> a while. She's doing better regulating her temp. My family has been
>>>> so supportive.
>>>> She is sleeping in her bassinet and has been feeding like a champ.
>>>> I'll write more later.
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:02:38 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anyone used UPromise.com?
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Me either, I just put money into the bank every 3 months or so and that will
> help gab in the future. V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anyone used UPromise.com?
>
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>> Better yet, put an amount you can aford into a savings account every
>> month or every two weeks, whatever makes sense to you.
>> My problem with the program you describe is that it encourages consumer
>> debt, buying on credit, i.e. buying things with money you don't have.
>> Also, Sarah may or may not go to college. She may decide to learn a
>> trade instead. Would you get the money back from this program or would
>> you be out of luck?
>> With a savings account, the money is hers no matter what.
>> I'd also varify that the finantial planner isn't being paid or gifted to
>> promote this program.
>> Me, I wouldn't do it.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:38 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: [blparent] Has anyone used UPromise.com?
>>
>> Hi, all.  I heard about a program today called UPromise.com that rewards
>> a person with savings toward college for making purchases from member
>> companies.  The web site is pretty accessible, and the gist of the
>> program seems sound--you register your credit card, then when you buy
>> from member companies, they contribute cash (usually one to eight
>> percent of the purchase price) toward your college savings account.  i
>> heard about the site from someone who is in the business of financial
>> planning, and with college so expensive, it seems like it might be a
>> good idea to sign up and start saving for Sarah, even though she's only
>> a year old.  I was wondering if any of you have used the service, and if
>> so, have you found it reliable and worthwhile?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> "Don't throw away the old bucket until you know whether the new one
>> holds water."--Swedish proverb
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> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:05:12 -0700
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
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> Teach your children to read early and you can do it yourself.  Gab was
> reading by the time she went to pre-school.  We worked alot on letters and
> their sounds and sometimes I would just have to have her spell the words one
> letter at a time. smile! V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
>
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>>I just talked to someone about that this very morning, since my daughter
>> will be in kindergarten this fall, and I have the same concerns.  Regular
>> communication with the teacher is important, and maybe getting some
>> sighted
>> assistance to go over with you some of it will be important.  I have a
>> friend whose child is in kindergarten this semester, and maybe she can
>> help
>> a little when Angelica is in this fall.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex" <heyitslu at gmail.com>
>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:24 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] Accessible Homework?
>>
>>
>>> Hello, all!  I am new to the listserve; thus, please forgive me if
>>> these issues have previously been addressed.  I am a blind, single mom
>>> and of an autistic, sighted, nearly 5-year-old boy, who will enter
>>> kindergarten in the fall.  We live away from family and have few
>>> friends in this area, who can provide frequent sighted assistance.  My
>>> son already participates in the special education program at an
>>> elementary school.  IEP's and progress reports as well as information
>>> from his teacher and therapists have been made accessible; however,
>>> homework assignments are not truly accessible.  His speech therapist
>>> has pictures of vocabulary words, which accompany worksheets, games,
>>> and lists of questions.  although not required, this is our first look
>>> at homework, and I am extremely apprehensive regarding the future.  I
>>> am concerned that I will not be able to assist him in completing
>>> assignments.  I am also concerned about getting assignments in an
>>> accessible format.  Although my son is starting to read, he only reads
>>> when he feels like it, and he is not able to relate events of a day,
>>> tell a story, etc.  How have you helped your children with homework,
>>> particularly if your child is sighted but has other sensory and/or
>>> communication challenges?
>>> The speech therapist and I discussed this issue earlier today.  She
>>> has proposed to e-mail me homework assignments or send them home on a
>>> flash drive.  She has also agreed to outline the pictures in glue.
>>> She said that she would label them for me, but she does not know
>>> Braille and wants me to make the labels.  I don't have a problem
>>> making labels, but making labels in the future will require
>>> considerable planning in the future on everyone's part.  Also, the
>>> school my son attends does not have a "Vision Rehabilitation Teacher",
>>> and I was told that the Vision Teacher is only to assist visually
>>> impaired students.
>>> Does the school system have a legal obligation to make homework
>>> assignments, IEP's, progress reports, etc.  accessible to me?  If so,
>>> who usually ensures that these things are accessible?
>>> Any advice and information you can provide would be greatly
>>> appreciated.  The IEP is up for review in March.  I am trying to move
>>> into this elementary school's zone because they are willing to work
>>> with me but just don't seem to know how.  If we go to the elementary
>>> school for which we are zoned, I am concerned the atmosphere will not
>>> be as accomodating, and I will need to make sure that any
>>> accomodations I need in order to properly support my son are well
>>> delineated prior to entering that school.
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Lucy
>>>
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