[blparent] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Blind ParentsMeeting

Wed Jun 3 18:24:30 UTC 2009

Now you see what I'm getting at.  

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From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Tammy, Paul and Colyn
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Blind
ParentsMeeting

Hi,

They should do something like that.  It would do so much good for all
concerned.

tammy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:10 AM
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Blind Parents
Meeting

> So why doesn't NFB do a study quantifying this and then use that for
> educational purposes on both sides of the fence, both to educate blind
> parents as well as social workers?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Tammy, Paul and Colyn
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:22 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Blind Parents Meeting
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't have anything to hide either so usually if they don't come in
to
> my life and my home like raging bulls and scare my kids half to death,
I
> have no issues answering whatever questions they might ask.  But I
don't
> understand and never have understood why the parenting standard for me
> and for lots of other blind couples seems to be higher then for my
> sighted neighbour who I know for a fact swears, spanks, and screams at
> her kids both publicly and privately and cps never gets a call.
That's
> what I'm talking about here, and as much as I would love to see proof
of
> this data, I never will.  I am the proof, as is Joe Elizabeth, and
many
> others on this list who've had visits from these so-called
well-meaning
> people.  These organizations will never come out and say oh it's
because
> you're blind, that would be discrimination.  But they'll justify their
> involvement by saying it's because of fill in the blank, and that will
> be okay with their managers, bosses, etc.  But we all know why cps,
dcf,
> or whatever acronym the organization goes by in your state, province,
or
> area use.  Most of these calls are made by hospitals, pools,
neighbours
> and strangers who just happen to see something on the street not
knowing
> the full story, and they're made because the parent just happens to
have
> little to no eye-sight, or may do something a little differently, or
> their child might fall down etc.
>
> hth
>
> Tammy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kate02 at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:13 PM
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Re: Blind Parents Meeting
>
>
>>
>> I think we should keep in mind that being blind parents places us in
> the
>> minority.  I have found over the years that it is popular for
minority
>
>> populations to justify removal of children on solely the issue or
> choices
>> that create their situation.  It just seams to be a common theme in
>> Minority and fringe populations.  My kid was removed because fill in
> the
>> blank and let the panic begin.
>>
>> Are there times that blind parents are questioned by CPS?, yes and I
> would
>> imagine if you reacted badly things could go that way.
>>
>> But the constant being told that because your blind you may lose your
> kids
>> does nothing but scare people and helps no one.  How can a new
Mother,
>
>> father, or couple who is blind handle themselves if DCF is involved
if
>
>> they have been siked up.
>>
>> Kids get hurt.  Kids put their clothes on backwards. Kids forget
> homework.
>> That's just how it is.
>>
>> Its one thing to be informed of your rights but having yourself in
> this
>> panic that its you against DCF is just going to the extreme.  I
expect
>
>> questions and have no reason not to answer I have nothing to hide so
> why
>> should I panic?  Fifty percent of blind parents being seen by DCF and
>> being threatened with the removal of their children just sounds high.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to see proof not stats, any one can write stats.
>>
>> Kate
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> But the you might be next mind set is the one you need to take with
>>> organizations like cps, because you very well could be and for no
> other
>>> reason the fact that you're blind.  The fact is that every disabled
>>> person
>>> should be aware that this could happen to them.  Cps could be called
> on
>>> them
>>> by a neighbour well-meaning or not, a friend, or even a family
> member,
>>> and
>>> they do have the power to make your life miserable for a very long
> time,
>>> and
>>> even to tear your family apart without even a second thought after
> your
>>> kids
>>> are in foster care and you're sitting in your empty home saying you
>>> wished
>>> you'd listened to all the fear mongering and advice from lists like
> this
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:52 AM
>>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>> > My daughter is learning to put her clothes on and has put them on
>>> > inside
>>> > out, backwards, you n ame it. She's so proud of herself, I won't
>>> > correct
>>> > her, that joy and confidence she displays is precious.
>>> > The times people have commented, I just explain that she did it
>>> > herself,
>>> > and I say it proudly. It hasn't been an issue.
>>> > Also, if you are going to present raw data, how is it not fear
>>> > mongering
>>> > when you offer no supporting data. It's like saying "100 people
> will be
>>> > killed in a car wreck today, you might be one of them" without
> saying
>>> > "to lessen the odds, wear a seatbelt and don't ride with someone
> who
>>> > has
>>> > been drinking".
>>> > Knowing what actions and attitudes we can take is far more
> bennificial
>>> > then just tossing out numbers with the "and you might be next"
> mindset.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> > On Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:34 AM
>>> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>> >
>>> > It's not fear-mongering.  It's just pointing out a fact.  Sighted
>>> > people
>>> > sometimes have such an overwhelming sense of fear of being blind
> that
>>> > they butt into people's business because they don't think they
> could
>>> > handle a child if they were blind.
>>> > Those people are there.  They always want to help you.  After
> putting
>>> > your child's shoes on the right feet for 9/10 of the school year
> and
>>> > then you put them on wrong by accident, instead of just changing
> them,
>>> > they have to point out to you that you made a mistake.  I know, we
> all
>>> > do that to some extent.
>>> > Barbara
>>> >
>>> > If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:
> of
>>> > whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>> > From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:46 AM
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>> >
>>> >> I don't think any of us are excluded per sea, but putting out
> these
>>> >> stats with no other data is nothing more then fear mongering in
my
>>> >> oppinion. What value is to be gained in that?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >> On Behalf Of Kliph
>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:27 PM
>>> >> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>> >>
>>> >> That would be me also.  I am blind, but my wife can see.  So does
> that
>>> >
>>> >> exclude us?
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >> On Behalf Of Scott Lawlor
>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:43 PM
>>> >> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd also be interested in this information and does any of the
> data
>>> >> apply to
>>> >>
>>> >> a situation where only one of the parents is blind?
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:03 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Interesting.
>>> >>> I'd be interested to k now more about this statistic.
>>> >>> One half of all blind parents.
>>> >>> Where is this number coming from?
>>> >>> What are the nature of these contacts? Do these cases involve
the
>>> >> blind
>>> >>> parent who is at home with his/her kids or ones who work outside
> the
>>> >>> home?
>>> >>> What impact does a blind couple raising a child v. a
> sighted-blind
>>> >>> couple have on these contacts with social services?
>>> >>> What sparks these contacts?Does doing something "unconventional"
> such
>>> >> as
>>> >>> having a child born at home or choosing not to vaccinate play a
>>> >>> factor in if CPS comes calling?
>>> >>> Has anybody done a quantifiable breakdown of blind parents and
> their
>>> >>> contact with CPS?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I ask because I've heard this statistic before but would be
>>> >>> interested to know more about the data driving it.
>>> >>> Anybody?
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>> On Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:14 PM
>>> >>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm so glad that, according to our current schedule, I'll be
able
> to
>>> >>> attend.
>>> >>> It's funny, in 2006 I attended the meeting and you talked about
> how
>>> >>> something like one half of all blind parents will have Child
>>> >> Protective
>>> >>> Services call on them.  In some respects, I was so glad--yet
very
>>> >>> appalled--to hear that fact.  A friend of mine insisted I go to
> that
>>> >>> meeting, not knowing that was the subject.  I had just marked
the
>>> >> first
>>> >>> anniversary of having the twins and had just had CPS at my door
> on
>>> >> that
>>> >>> last day of school.  Back then, Paul would never cry when he was
> hurt
>>> >
>>> >>> and he'd fallen on a toy and got a big bruise and I didn't know
> it.
>>> >>> I am the bather and changer in our house and at that time my
>>> >>> husband's
>>> >> job
>>> >>> took him away quite a bit.  Luckily he was home that day.
>>> >>> So anyone who's going, I hope to meet you this year.
>>> >>> Barbara
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:
> of
>>> >>> whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:38 PM
>>> >>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> It is so funny, I was just remembering meeting you the year the
>>> >>>> convention was in Kentucky.  Was that 2002 or 2003?  Gab was
> very
>>> >>>> young and I left her with my hubby for the first time.  I felt
> lost
>>> >>>> without her.  Well anyway I went to your meeting and felt
> completely
>>> >
>>> >>>> like a dodo.  I asked questions such as how will she know what
> color
>>> >> a
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> crayon is or how will she color with me or how will I teach her
> the
>>> >>>> alphabet.  How will I read to her.  They all seemed trivial but
> you
>>> >>>> were so kind and made me feel right at home.
>>> >>>> Thanks for everything.  I wish I was going this year, maybe
next
>>> >> time.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> V
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:01 AM
>>> >>>> To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet blparent Mailing List
>>> >>>> Subject: [blparent] Blind Parents Meeting
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hi, all,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> This year the Blind Parents Group will meet at convention on
> July 4
>>> >>>> from 7:30 to 10 P.M.  Traditionally this is an informal meeting
>>> >>>> where everyone is
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> free to share experiences and ideas.  I would love to hear your
>>> >>>> thoughts about possible topics for discussion, so please feel
> free
>>> >>>> to contact me
>>> >>>> on-
>>> >>>> or off-list.  I look forward to meeting many of you at this
> year's
>>> >>>> meeting!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Debbie Stein
>>> >>>> dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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