[blparent] blparent Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13

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>Today's Topics:

>   1.  Re: blparent Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4 (Veronica Smith)
>   2.  Re: taking a baby some where (wagons) (Veronica Smith)
>   3.  Re: about the slings and back pack (Veronica Smith)
>   4.  Re: taking a baby some where (Veronica Smith)
>   5.  Re: I'm "officially" joining the list!! (Veronica Smith)
>   6.  Re: Welcome back Amy! (Veronica Smith)
>   7.  Re: Veronica, re: Disneyland (Veronica Smith)
>   8.  Re: accessable cell phones? (Veronica Smith)
>   9.  Re: accessible cell phones? (Veronica Smith)
>  10.  Re: accessable cell phones? (Veronica Smith)
>  11.  Re: about rashes (Veronica Smith)
>  12.  Re: Items you couldn't live without (Veronica Smith)
>  13.  Re: Items you couldn't live without (Veronica Smith)
>  14.  Re: Items you couldn't live without (Veronica Smith)
>  15.  Re: [Bulk] Re:  taking a baby some where (wagons)
>      (Tammy, Paul and Colyn)
>  16.  Largest Newspaper Service for the Blind Now Offers Over 300
>      Newspapers (Freeh,	Jessica)
>  17.  FW: [blind-family] Blind Child/Young Adolescent Study
>      (Eric Calhoun)
>  18.  Re: accessable cell phones? (Eileen Levin)
>  19.  Re: Items you couldn't live without (Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS))
>  20.  Re: [Bulk]  Items you couldn't live without
>      (Melissa Ann Riccobono)
>  21.  Re: accessable cell phones? (Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS))
>  22.  Re: [Bulk]  about rashes (Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS))
>  23.  Toddler Toys (Jo Elizabeth Pinto)


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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:19:55 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] blparent Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <000001ca4b79$5d1936e0$174ba4a0$@net
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>Personally, I put Gab in the basinet for a couple of nights then moved her
>across the hall to her own room.  I could hear every thing and didn't have
>to worry that anyone would harm her in any way.  V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Jennifer Bose
>Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:06 PM
>To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [blparent] blparent Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4

>Hello, parents.

>I'm very happy to have joined this list.  There's so much here to learn
>and I'm enjoying all the discussions and gathering a great deal of
>information.  With your help, I found a stroller that can be pulled
>behind me; it's from Graco and also contains the right harness and
>includes a car seat.

>Now, here's another burning question: What are your views about
>sleeping arrangements for a new baby? I now have a bassinet that the
>baby can sleep in right next to me and my husband in our bedroom.
>Later, when the baby can sleep through the night comfortably, there's
>a crib in a different room.  However, in talking to two doulas I know,
>one of whom is blind and also a mother and who will be helping me out
>at the hospital and maybe at home, these women suggested that I might
>want the baby to sleep in our bed with us.  They said that as blind
>parents (my husband is also blind), we would want to be as close to
>the baby as possible during the night in order to hear any little
>noises or restlessness and be able to quickly see if the baby needs to
>be fed or otherwise attended to.  My first reaction to this is that I'd
>really like the baby to be in the bassinet instead, which I think is
>near enough to us.  I'm a light sleeper and I already tune into my
>guide dog when she wakes up and fidgets and scratches an itch or
>shifts position in order to get comfortable again.  I'm hoping I can be
>attentive enough to the baby asleep in the bassinet near us.  I also
>would just like the baby to get used to having its own space, although
>I'm not completely averse to a small child wanting to sleep next to
>the parents for part of the night or if he or she is scared or just
>wants to crawl into bed with them early in the morning for a while.  My
>stepdaughter has done that a few times and she found it comforting,
>but she did know that she had her own bed.

>Any thoughts?

>Jen

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>> Today's Topics:

>>    1.  Re: girl scouts (Veronica Smith)
>>    2.  Veronica, re: Disneyland (Eric Calhoun)
>>    3.  Correction: Adult Braille Readers Are Leaders Team (Eric Calhoun)


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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:50:45 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] girl scouts
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>> I'm glad for them as well.  Gab is so excited, she can hardly think
>> straight.  V

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Pipi
>> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:07 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] girl scouts

>> that is great news.  i've taken on the job of being a co leader for my
>> niece's troop.  they didn't have a leader at her school, so i talked my
>> sister into it and i'm helping.  i was a girl scout from brownies clear
>> through cadets.  i think it is a great thing for girls and am glad that
>there

>> is a troop for my niece and the other girls that didn't have a troop last
>> year.
>> Pipi
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:02 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] girl scouts


>>> Well guess what, we finally found a troop for Gab.  A friend of mine
>>> called
>>> me and said their troop was adding 3 more slots and I called right away.
>>> She will bin in troop 209.  They welcomed her with open arms.  V


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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:04:03 -0500
>> From: Eric Calhoun <eric at pmpmail.com
>> Subject: [blparent] Veronica, re: Disneyland
>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20091005040615.1A8912AF61E at node77.smtp.com
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

>> Veronica, it's so nice you'll be out here to partake of the Magic Kingdom!
>> Please call me when you get out here; I'd like to meet you.

>> Eric
>> Halloween!  Don't make it a safety hazard!  Make it a safe haven!  This
>> is Eric from Los Angeles, reminding that a safe Halloween begins with you.
>> No illegal violence!  No non-see-through costumes!  Be creative!  Don't be
>> offensive!  But be loving!  It's not the size of the dog in the fight;
>it's
>> the size of the fight in the dog!



>> ------------------------------

>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:12:14 -0500
>> From: Eric Calhoun <eric at pmpmail.com
>> Subject: [blparent] Correction: Adult Braille Readers Are Leaders Team
>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org, blindkid at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20091005041426.4A1312AF669 at node77.smtp.com
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

>> Because of an editing error, I inadvertantently gave my phone number as my
>> email address.  My email address is eric at pmpmail.com, and my telephone
>> number is: 323-295-5750.

>> Parents!  Adults!  I am forming an adult Braille Readers Are Leaders
>> team!  Are you interested?  Then please look at the above paragraph, and
>> please get in touch with me.  You must have a strategy, for example, what
>> books/magazines you will read, what team name you will select, and more.
>> I'm looking for a minimum of 5 participants!  I would love to hear from
>> you!

>> Eric
>> Halloween!  Don't make it a safety hazard!  Make it a safe haven!  This
>> is Eric from Los Angeles, reminding that a safe Halloween begins with you.
>> No illegal violence!  No non-see-through costumes!  Be creative!  Don't be
>> offensive!  But be loving!  It's not the size of the dog in the fight;
>it's
>> the size of the fight in the dog!



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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:24:12 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where (wagons)
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>That is too cool, I've never heard of one like that! V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono
>Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:43 PM
>To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where (wagons)

>Hello Eva and list,
>I can't remember what brand of wagon I have; I bought it at Target for about
>$60.  It's nice, though I wish it was a little bigger.  It has a door that
>opens which makes it easier for Austin to climb in and out himself.  It has
>two seats one on each side, so if there were two kids sitting in the wagon
>they would face each other.  The seats actually have seatbelts, and so far
>Austin can put his seatbelt on but not take it off.  So he's in the wagon
>and not able to get out or stand up.  My sister has one; I believe it is a
>Radial Flier.  I think it was a bit more expensive, but one of the seats
>actually folds down flat which gives her more room for groceries.  That's
>the only draw back to our wagon; it's a little tight to have Austin sitting
>in the wagon with groceries.  It's certainly doable though.
>I hope this helps.
>Melissa

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Eva Adams
>Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:44 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where (wagons)

>Hey Melissa,
>I was wondering what kind of wagon you have, and what does it look like? My
>daughter doesn't like riding in her stroller anymore, so I was thinking
>about getting a wagon.  I am looking for one that would have room for her,
>and some groceries.  How do you keep your son in the wagon.  I mean do you use

>a leash to make sure that he stays in the wagon, or how do you do this?

>Eva
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" <melissa at riccobono.us
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where


>> Hello Vanessa,
>> You can certainly carry your baby in a sling, snugglee, or, when your baby
>> gets older and has good head control, a backpack.  Many parents on this
>> list
>> have used different options.  I had a Snuggllee when my son was small.  He
>> faced toward me in it from the time he was about 2 weeks until he was
>> about
>> 4 or 5 months.  Then I was able to use it for a while with him facing away
>> from me.  After that, I bought a backpack carrier from REI.  It is light
>> weight, but has a nice frame and five point harness so my son was very
>> safe
>> and the pack was comfortable to wear.  I just stopped using it; my son is
>> almost three and he's about 30 pounds now, which I finally found was too
>> heavy to carry on my back.  I also have pulled a stroller behind me while
>> walking my son, and now that he's bigger I have a nice wagon he rides in.
>> There are definitely very safe ways to carry a baby when out and about,
>> and
>> it's very important to get comfortable doing so because it's nice to be
>> able
>> to get out even when your baby is young.  I found even a short walk
>> outside
>> could do wonders for both my son and I, especially when he was very
>> cranky.
>> Melissa

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of vanessa hernandez
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:47 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: [blparent] taking a baby some where

>> --
>> vanessa Hernandez

>> How do you take a baby some where when it is a difficult process to
>> use a carrier?

>> Is there options on how to carrie your baby places safly?
>> Please don't say like sided people do because I have been blind all of my
>> life.

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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:26:04 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] about the slings and back pack
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>We found a really cool backback at at store called Other Mothers.  It is a
>used clothes and baby equipment.  They only carry clothes for mom's and
>children.  V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono
>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:02 PM
>To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [blparent] about the slings and back pack

>There are many places.  Target and Walmart have the snugglees.  They may
>have backpacks too, but I would really recommend going to a camping supply
>store such as REI to purchase a backpack.  You can get your hands on the
>different models that way, actually try the backpacks on, and usually get a
>lot of helpful advice from the people who work there about proper fit,
>different styles, etc.  There are other types of carriers that are sold by
>in home representatives.  They are a different kind of sling carrier and I
>know some parents on this list have them.  I hope one of these parents will
>be able to provide you with the name of the product as I've heard good
>things about it, even though I didn't use one for my son.
>Melissa

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of vanessa hernandez
>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:09 AM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: [blparent] about the slings and back pack

>--
>vanessa Hernandez

>I was wernding where did you get the sling and backpack?
>Where could I buy it at?

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>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:28:13 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>I never had any trouble taking Gab anywhere.  I just used her little carrier
>that went right into the car and when I got somewhere I would just carry it
>with me.  When Gab was a little heavy for that, I'd just carry her.  V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:19 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where

>What do you mean that it is a difficult process to use a carier?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "vanessa hernandez" <violethernandez20 at gmail.com
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:47 PM
>Subject: [blparent] taking a baby some where


>> --
>> vanessa Hernandez

>> How do you take a baby some where when it is a difficult process to
>> use a carrier?

>> Is there options on how to carrie your baby places safly?
>> Please don't say like sided people do because I have been blind all of my
>> life.

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>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:29:14 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] I'm "officially" joining the list!!
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>Congrats and welcome aboard.  V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of amyprovencal at att.net
>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:33 PM
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>Subject: [blparent] I'm "officially" joining the list!!

>Hello to my fellow listers,
>This is Amy Provencal, dropping in, with a note of good news.  In case some
>of you may not remember me, I joined the list back in January of this year.
>I had asked a few questions about being lactose intolerant...well, anyways,
>I wanted to share our good news.  My husband and I are expecting, we are due
>on March 21st!! I am in my 16th week now, and thankfully, my first trimester
>went pretty well.  I am in the midst of trying to finish the first parenting
>course at Hadley, (which by the way, if anyone is thinking about taking
>parenting courses through Hadley, I highly recommend them!) My husband and I
>have felt very fortunate to have found the courses at Hadley, and to have
>also found this list, thank you Sharon! The e-mails that I do get to read
>here, are very helpful, and provide excellent insight, and have really
>helped to boost my self confidence, as I get closer to becoming a parent,
>with low vision, so thank you to the list!
>What sunshine is to flowers, smiles are to humanity.  These are but
>triffles, to be sure; but, scattered along life's pathway, the good they do
>is inconceivable." - Joseph Addison, English poet
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>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:30:59 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Welcome back Amy!
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <000501ca4b7a$e8dd48f0$ba97dad0$@net
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>I think that is a cool number 3,21
>V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Eric Calhoun
>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:15 AM
>To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [blparent] Welcome back Amy!

>Welcome back Amy!  My birthday is March 21!  Is it possible you can deliver
>your baby at 4:04 in the morning?

>Eric
>Halloween!  Don't make it a safety hazard!  Make it a safe haven!  This is
>Eric from Los Angeles, reminding that a safe Halloween begins with you.
>No illegal violence!  No non-see-through costumes!  Be creative!  Don't be
>offensive!  But be loving!  It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's
>the size of the fight in the dog!



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>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:31:46 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Veronica, re: Disneyland
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>We had a blast and I don't think Gab will ever forget her 10th birthday! V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Eric Calhoun
>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:13 AM
>To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [blparent] Veronica, re: Disneyland

>V, I hope you're enjoying the Magic Kingdom out here.  Let us know how you
>did please.

>Eric
>Halloween!  Don't make it a safety hazard!  Make it a safe haven!  This is
>Eric from Los Angeles, reminding that a safe Halloween begins with you.
>No illegal violence!  No non-see-through costumes!  Be creative!  Don't be
>offensive!  But be loving!  It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's
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>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:34:29 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <000701ca4b7b$66e1b8d0$34a52a70$@net
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>I have AT&T.  Nokia 6620 and love it.  I haven't ever tried Verizon service
>though.  V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Allie
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:39 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>Hi Rebecca,

>I know Verizon has the HTC Ozone with Talks already installed on it.  Not
>sure how much it would be in the store, but it's $149.98 if you order it
>online.  That seems to be the best phone they have with Talks on it.  They
>also have the LG phones that talk straight off the shelf, and which
>apparently have gotten better, but I don't know much about them.
>AT&T has a few different options you can choose from.  My contract with
>Verizon is up this month, and I was planning on switching to AT&T as well.
>The plan I'm switching to has the same amount of minutes and features for
>the same price.  I am also struggling with the data package idea; I really
>don't want to pay 20 or 30 extra dollars a month for something I will hardly

>use.

>Have you looked at www.letstalk.com? I was interested in the Nokia E71X with

>a two year contract because it was free.  You can't get mobile speak through
>that site, but I was planning on calling the Disability Center at AT&T
>anyway and getting mobile speak that way.

>Also, if you're not sure what AT&T phones mobile speak supports, you can
>look up the list of supported phones on www.codefactory.es

>HTH.

>-- Allie

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>To: <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:57 AM
>Subject: [blparent] accessable cell phones?


>> Hi guys.
>> I don't know if this offtopic for this list or not.
>> Anyway, I'm thinking I want an accessable cell phone and am trying to
>> decide between AT&T and Verizon.  We have Verizon and our contract is up.
>> A trip to the Verizon store and a talk on their phone about accessable
>> options was to say the least not very confidence enspiring.  I had to
>> tell the Verizon lady on the phone and the guy at the store about Talks,
>> both seemed unaware of it.
>> AT&T seems to have a phone with Mobilespeak that will do what I want.
>> Does anybody on this list know anything about either plan or option and
>> have any feedback?
>> AT&T says if I give them proof of my blindness they will take the data
>> package off the phone with Mobilespeak.  I am not a big cell phone user,
>> don't really want the data package, but nor do I want to give AT&T any
>> medical info.
>> All I want is a phone where I can add contacts, use menus and know who's
>> calling.
>> Thoughts?
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>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:46 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessible cell phones?
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <000801ca4b7b$93cc97c0$bb65c740$@net
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

>On my phone with Tox, I can set my own ring tones and the contact list.
>It's great not having to depend on someone to do it.  V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:05 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessible cell phones?

>It's possible to know who's calling by setting different ring tones for the
>people you talk to most.  I had a sighted person do that on my cell phone,
>but I haven't figured out anything like adding contacts or using menus.
>I personally don't care for Verizon.  Almost everything you do with that
>company requires you to accept a two-year contract, and the tricky part is
>that if you change anything like updating your plan, the two years on the
>contract start over.  I got hit with a $175 termination fee because I had
>changed my plan and thereby accepted a new contract, even though I wasn't
>informed of that.

>When I asked Verizon about accessible phones, I was on the phone with a
>service representative, and she actually asked me if I could hear and tried
>to get me interested in a phone that had text as well as speech.  I told her

>that of course I could hear, otherwise I wouldn't be having a conversation
>with her on the phone.

>Anyway, I hope you find the phone you are looking for.

>Jo Elizabeth

>Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify
>the hunters.--African Proverb

>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:57 AM
>To: <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>> Hi guys.
>> I don't know if this offtopic for this list or not.
>> Anyway, I'm thinking I want an accessable cell phone and am trying to
>> decide between AT&T and Verizon.  We have Verizon and our contract is up.
>> A trip to the Verizon store and a talk on their phone about accessable
>> options was to say the least not very confidence enspiring.  I had to
>> tell the Verizon lady on the phone and the guy at the store about Talks,
>> both seemed unaware of it.
>> AT&T seems to have a phone with Mobilespeak that will do what I want.
>> Does anybody on this list know anything about either plan or option and
>> have any feedback?
>> AT&T says if I give them proof of my blindness they will take the data
>> package off the phone with Mobilespeak.  I am not a big cell phone user,
>> don't really want the data package, but nor do I want to give AT&T any
>> medical info.
>> All I want is a phone where I can add contacts, use menus and know who's
>> calling.
>> Thoughts?
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>Message: 10
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:37:09 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <000901ca4b7b$c51f3da0$4f5db8e0$@net
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>My caller i.  d.  can be found through the menu.  I go to logue and hit enter,
>then scroll down to either missed called or received calls.  V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Scott Lawlor
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:05 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>Hi.

>As far as I know you can't change ring tones independently and I haven't
>figured out how to turn on caller id.  This phone was $180.00 with a $50.00
>rebate.  I'll attach the sendspace link for the rough draft of the podcast
>that I have finished so far which will help out some until I get the whole
>thing done.

>http://www.sendspace.com/file/zq38y9

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?


>> Thank you.
>> Which features are not accessible?
>> And, in addition to the features you cite, will this phone also tell me
>> who's caling?
>> This phone may be what I need, it's too bad I had to bother you and the
>> list, as Verizon should know how to do this.
>> How much is this phone?

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Scott Lawlor
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:31 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>> Hi.

>> If you're wanting a phone that is good for texting and aren't planning
>> to
>> surf the net or check email, the lg env3 is actually quite accessible
>> with
>> it's built in voice command.  Sure, not every feature is accessible but
>> you
>> can both send and recieve text messages independently, add contacts to
>> the
>> addressbook, check the battery level, time and date, and call contacts
>> with
>> no sighted assistance.   You'll need sighted help in turning on two
>> features
>> in the tools menu but the people at the verizon store should be able to
>> help
>> you with that.  I have a short tutorial on some of the more helpful
>> commands
>> for this phone if anyone would like and am planning to create a
>> comprehensive podcast for those who are interested.

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:57 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] accessable cell phones?


>>> Hi guys.
>>> I don't know if this offtopic for this list or not.
>>> Anyway, I'm thinking I want an accessable cell phone and am trying to
>>> decide between AT&T and Verizon.  We have Verizon and our contract is
>> up.
>>> A trip to the Verizon store and a talk on their phone about accessable
>>> options was to say the least not very confidence enspiring.  I had to
>>> tell the Verizon lady on the phone and the guy at the store about
>> Talks,
>>> both seemed unaware of it.
>>> AT&T seems to have a phone with Mobilespeak that will do what I want.
>>> Does anybody on this list know anything about either plan or option
>> and
>>> have any feedback?
>>> AT&T says if I give them proof of my blindness they will take the data
>>> package off the phone with Mobilespeak.  I am not a big cell phone
>> user,
>>> don't really want the data package, but nor do I want to give AT&T any
>>> medical info.
>>> All I want is a phone where I can add contacts, use menus and know
>> who's
>>> calling.
>>> Thoughts?
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> blparent at nfbnet.org
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>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:43:28 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] about rashes
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <002801ca4b7c$a730edb0$f592c910$@net
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

>Vanessa, you usually know when your baby is irritated and cranky.  Rashes
>are usually found in one area and very bumpy.  V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of vanessa hernandez
>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:47 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: [blparent] about rashes

>--
>vanessa Hernandez

>Hi this is Vanessa how could a blind parent know when a baby has a rash.
>What does a rash feel like?

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>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:48:02 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>1.  a must:  a crib.  I feel that the basinet was not needed.  Gab only slept
>in it for a couple of nights before I moved her to the crib.
>2.  a walker.  She never used it and walked from chair to couch to hand to
>hand.
>3.  a must: a high chair or some kind of chair that either attached to a
>regular chair or to the table.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Angela Frederick
>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:48 AM
>To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without

>Hi, everybody,

>Okay, so I am a huge nerd and have been trying to figure out what our
>family budget could be if we succeed in getting pregnant.  I've been
>looking at baby items and their costs and wondering what is really
>necessary and worth spending money on.

>So, I would like to know from all of you who have kids:

>1.  What baby items do you consider a necessity or a life-saver?

>and

>2.  What baby items do you wish you hadn't spent money on?

>Thanks for the feedback!
>Angela


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>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:52:35 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>And on the other hand, my breast pump was expensive and a nightmare.  (lol)
>It just depends on the person and the baby! V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:46 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without

>Angela.

>unfortunately, some of this really depends on your particular baby, who, of
>course, you won't know anything about until he or she arrives.  e.g.,
>I spent a lot of money on a breast pump.  it turned out to be one of the best

>things I could have purchased, as I ended up pumping exclusively for 22
>weeks.  however, if I had been fortunate enough to be able to establish
>nursing with my daughter, or if I hadn't been able to produce enough milk
>and had to suspend breastfeeding, I might not have needed a pump at all.
>similarly, for my daughter the swing was a total life saver, but I've spoken

>with other parents whose kids hated their swings.

>what you might find helpful to do is to divide your list of baby items into
>categories.  e.g., I had a group of items we absolutely had to have when the
>baby came home from the hospital: a carseat, a place for her to sleep,
>clothes for her to wear, etc.  I had another group of items that we would
>eventually need, but that weren't necessary immediately: a highchair,
>certain baby toys like a jumper, etc.

>some of what you'll need will also depend on what you choose to do as a mom.

>e.g., if you plan to take baths with your baby, a baby tub won't be
>necessary.  if you plan to co-sleep, a crib won't be necessary.

>some items that I personally feel aren't worth buying are as follows.  of
>course, there will likely be others on the list who found these things
>essential.
>- a sterilizer (I just boiled everything in a big pot on the stove before
>using it for the first time.)
>- newborn-sized clothes (my daughter weighed nearly 8 pounds at birth, and
>those clothes only fit babies up to 8 pounds.)
>- a baby tub (I only used ours for a very short period of time before
>beginning to take baths with my daughter.)
>- a baby wipe warmer (I just use good ole warm water when necessary.)
>- swaddle blankets (my daughter hated being swaddled.)
>- those night gowns with the open bottom (my daughter kicked so much that
>they ended up around her chest - making her cold.)

>some things that I personally found I really needed were as follows.
>- a bundleme (a sleeping-bag-type thing that zips into the baby's carseat to

>keep him warm in the winter).
>- sleep sacks (again, sleeping-bag-type things with sleeves that the baby
>sleeps in).
>- a baby gym/play mat (my daughter loved laying on hers, and would stare up
>and the toys for 30-45 minutes at a time.  sometimes she would even nap on
>it.)
>- a swing (my daughter was colicky and had reflux, so this is one of the
>only places she would sleep for the first 14 weeks of her life.)
>- a breastpump (again, I pumped exclusively, so it more than paid for
>itself.)
>- music for the baby to listen to (we had a musical crib soother for my
>daughter that was a huge hit.)
>- bright and interesting toys and mirrors that the baby can just lay there
>and watch.

>my best piece of advice is not to buy too much of any one thing.  e.g., don't

>go out and purchase 10 bottles of the same brand.  your baby might never use
>bottles, or that brand might not work for him (I tried four brands of
>bottles before finding one that worked for us).  this is the same for
>diapers.  don't go out and buy 200 newborn-sized diapers.  they only fit the
>baby up to something like 8 or 10 pounds, and if you have a big baby, it
>won't be long before they won't work for you anymore.

>keep in mind, that for the first several months, the only things your baby
>will be doing are eating, sleeping, and filling up diapers.  when considering

>your "must-haves," remember that.  also, keep it simple.  cute little outfits
>with five matching pieces are fun for special occasions, but they're not
>practical for daily use.

>no matter how prepared you are, you'll find there are things you forget to
>buy, things you're thrilled you bought, and things you kick yourself for
>buying.  that's the nature of the beast.  you can make as many plans as you'd
>like, but when the baby arrives, many of those plans go out the window.

>hope some of this helps.

>Dena





>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Angela Frederick" <angelahoward at mail.utexas.edu
>To: <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:47 AM
>Subject: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without


>> Hi, everybody,

>> Okay, so I am a huge nerd and have been trying to figure out what our
>> family budget could be if we succeed in getting pregnant.  I've been
>> looking at baby items and their costs and wondering what is really
>> necessary and worth spending money on.

>> So, I would like to know from all of you who have kids:

>> 1.  What baby items do you consider a necessity or a life-saver?

>> and

>> 2.  What baby items do you wish you hadn't spent money on?

>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Angela


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>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:53:10 -0600
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>And garage sales- a must! V

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of kcook715 at knology.net
>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:29 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without

>Another thing is consignment sales.  These are a great place to get clothes
>and equipment.  A lot of them even have half price times or days if they last
>over a few days.  I've been able to find great stuff and plus ill be using
>them to sale things once the baby gets to big for things.  Go to
>kidsconsignmentsales.com and it has listings on ther according to state and
>city.  Hope this helps too!
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net
>Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:35:38
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List<blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without

>Hi, Angela.  First of all, let me say that hand-me-downs and thrift stores
>will be a lifesaver for you if you let them.  Babies outgrow clothes and
>equipment so fast that you can often find secondhand treasures that have
>barely been used.  If you have friends or family with small children, they
>will often give you outgrown items or at least lend them to you.

>As to the baby bath tub thing, I wouldn't recommend spending a lot.  The
>most useful tool for bathing that I ever found was a sponge, contoured to
>the shape of a baby, that laid in the bottom of the big bath tub.  It was
>$4.00 at Target, and my daughter, who is nineteen months old, still sits on
>it in the big tub.

>If someone is going to give you a shower, then I wouldn't worry about buying

>hooded towels, blankets, clothes, or baby lotions, since you will probably
>be given all you need of those things, as well as bibs and newborn clothes.

>If you don't want to spend money or don't have room for a changing table,
>buy a contoured foam pad and a couple of soft fabric covers for it.  With
>this, you can turn any counter or desk or other flat surface into a changing

>table without having to have a separate piece of furniture.

>The store brands of diapers and wipes are just as good for most babies as
>the name brands, which are way more expensive.  Don't buy too many diapers
>of one brand ahead of time because some babies react with rashes with
>certain brands, and you wouldn't want to have a bunch of extra diapers you
>couldn't use.
>The big ticket items--crib, play yard, high chair, swing, bouncer seat, play

>gym, Exersaucer--I got them all used for practically nothing.  Just keep
>safety requirements in mind--no more than 2-3/4 inches between slats on a
>crib, no decorative knobs that babies could get their clothes hung up on, no

>broken or sharp edges on anything, no strings longer than six inches on toys

>or clothes.  The only things I bought new were the crib mattress, the Diaper

>Genie, and a car seat.  Oh, also a Rain Forest portable swing and a Rain
>Forest jumper toy which I regretted spending money on because Sarah outgrew
>them so quickly.

>My basic advice, beyond looking at yard sales and thrift stores, would be to

>evaluate every purchase based on the fact that you'll probably only use the
>item for six months at the most.  Hope this helps.

>Jo Elizabeth

>Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify
>the hunters.--African Proverb

>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Angela Frederick" <angelahoward at mail.utexas.edu
>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:47 AM
>To: <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without

>> Hi, everybody,

>> Okay, so I am a huge nerd and have been trying to figure out what our
>> family budget could be if we succeed in getting pregnant.  I've been
>> looking at baby items and their costs and wondering what is really
>> necessary and worth spending money on.

>> So, I would like to know from all of you who have kids:

>> 1.  What baby items do you consider a necessity or a life-saver?

>> and

>> 2.  What baby items do you wish you hadn't spent money on?

>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Angela


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>Message: 15
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:15:53 -0400
>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Re:  taking a baby some where (wagons)
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>Hi,

>Yeah, I believe that's the Step2 brand of wagon with the door and the seats
>that fold down.  I was almost going to buy one for Colyn but I didn't
>because I didn't need both seats.  Now I'm seriously thinking about buying
>one like it for the kids.  I think they'd really enjoy it, and that wagon,
>unlike others I've seen has seat belts.  Remus is already pulling himself up
>on everything and soon he'll be trying to walk, so things with seatbelts are
>a must these days.

>Tammy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 4:24 PM
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where (wagons)


>> That is too cool, I've never heard of one like that! V

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:43 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where (wagons)

>> Hello Eva and list,
>> I can't remember what brand of wagon I have; I bought it at Target for
>> about
>> $60.  It's nice, though I wish it was a little bigger.  It has a door that
>> opens which makes it easier for Austin to climb in and out himself.  It
>> has
>> two seats one on each side, so if there were two kids sitting in the wagon
>> they would face each other.  The seats actually have seatbelts, and so far
>> Austin can put his seatbelt on but not take it off.  So he's in the wagon
>> and not able to get out or stand up.  My sister has one; I believe it is a
>> Radial Flier.  I think it was a bit more expensive, but one of the seats
>> actually folds down flat which gives her more room for groceries.  That's
>> the only draw back to our wagon; it's a little tight to have Austin
>> sitting
>> in the wagon with groceries.  It's certainly doable though.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Melissa

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Eva Adams
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:44 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where (wagons)

>> Hey Melissa,
>> I was wondering what kind of wagon you have, and what does it look like?
>> My
>> daughter doesn't like riding in her stroller anymore, so I was thinking
>> about getting a wagon.  I am looking for one that would have room for her,
>> and some groceries.  How do you keep your son in the wagon.  I mean do you
>> use

>> a leash to make sure that he stays in the wagon, or how do you do this?

>> Eva
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" <melissa at riccobono.us
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] taking a baby some where


>>> Hello Vanessa,
>>> You can certainly carry your baby in a sling, snugglee, or, when your
>>> baby
>>> gets older and has good head control, a backpack.  Many parents on this
>>> list
>>> have used different options.  I had a Snuggllee when my son was small.
>>> He
>>> faced toward me in it from the time he was about 2 weeks until he was
>>> about
>>> 4 or 5 months.  Then I was able to use it for a while with him facing
>>> away
>>> from me.  After that, I bought a backpack carrier from REI.  It is light
>>> weight, but has a nice frame and five point harness so my son was very
>>> safe
>>> and the pack was comfortable to wear.  I just stopped using it; my son is
>>> almost three and he's about 30 pounds now, which I finally found was too
>>> heavy to carry on my back.  I also have pulled a stroller behind me while
>>> walking my son, and now that he's bigger I have a nice wagon he rides in.
>>> There are definitely very safe ways to carry a baby when out and about,
>>> and
>>> it's very important to get comfortable doing so because it's nice to be
>>> able
>>> to get out even when your baby is young.  I found even a short walk
>>> outside
>>> could do wonders for both my son and I, especially when he was very
>>> cranky.
>>> Melissa

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of vanessa hernandez
>>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:47 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: [blparent] taking a baby some where

>>> --
>>> vanessa Hernandez

>>> How do you take a baby some where when it is a difficult process to
>>> use a carrier?

>>> Is there options on how to carrie your baby places safly?
>>> Please don't say like sided people do because I have been blind all of my
>>> life.

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>Message: 16
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:32:09 -0500
>From: "Freeh,	Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org> (by way of David Andrews
>	<dandrews at visi.com>)
>Subject: [blparent] Largest Newspaper Service for the Blind Now Offers
>	Over 300 Newspapers
>To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <auto-000122878857 at mailfront2.g2host.com
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed


>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



>CONTACT:

>Chris Danielsen

>Director of Public Relations

>National Federation of the Blind

>(410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

><mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org




>Largest Newspaper Service for the Blind
>Now Offers Over 300 Newspapers



>NFB-NEWSLINE? Offers Blind Individuals More Content Choice



>Baltimore, Maryland (October 12, 2009): The
>National Federation of the Blind announced today
>that NFB-NEWSLINE?, the largest electronic
>newspaper service in the world for blind and
>print-disabled Americans, now gives subscribers
>independent access to over three hundred
>newspapers and magazines.  This free service
>allows those who cannot read conventional
>newsprint due to a physical disability to listen
>to the newspaper over the telephone, on the web,
>or by download to a digital talking-book
>player.  With the addition of national
>newsmagazines like Time and interest-specific
>magazines like Science News to its roster of
>national and local publications, NFB-NEWSLINE?
>continues to cater to the increasingly divergent interests of its subscribers.



>Dr.  Marc Maurer, President of the National
>Federation of the Blind, said: ?NFB-NEWSLINE? is
>truly a testament to our belief in the importance
>of offering print-disabled individuals access to
>the same vital information that is available to
>our sighted peers.  NFB-NEWSLINE? offers
>subscribers freedom of choice, and now that over
>three hundred publications are available on the
>service, we have more choice than ever.?



>Nijat Worley, a college student from
><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
>/>Colorado, said: ?I can't tell you how much I
>enjoy being able to easily access so many
>newspapers and magazines!  All I need to do is
>pick up a phone or open a Web page and I can
>choose to read from hundreds of publications
>including my hometown newspaper or the New York
>Times, my favorite national newspaper.  As a
>sophomore with a double major in Political
>Science and International Affairs, the variety of
>news sources offered by NFB-NEWSLINE? really
>helps me find material for my coursework.  Since
>it?s available any time, day or night, I can read
>the news in accordance with my busy schedule.?



>NFB-NEWSLINE?, which began operation in 1995,
>offers TV listings in addition to newspapers and
>magazines to over 69,000 subscribers through
>several delivery methods: a standard touch-tone
>telephone, a secure, text-only Web site, or by
>download to a digital talking-book player.



>To experience the variety of choice offered with
>NFB-NEWSLINE?, please visit
><http://www.nfbnewslineonline.org/>www.nfbnewslineonline.org.
>For further information, please e-mail Scott
>White at <mailto:swhite at nfb.org>swhite at nfb.org or call (866) 504-7300.





>###





>About the National Federation of the Blind



>With more than 50,000 members, the National
>Federation of the Blind is the largest and most
>influential membership organization of blind
>people in the United States.  The NFB improves
>blind people's lives through advocacy, education,
>research, technology, and programs encouraging
>independence and self-confidence.  It is the
>leading force in the blindness field today and
>the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004
>the NFB opened the National Federation of the
>Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and
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>------------------------------

>Message: 17
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:47:44 -0500
>From: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com
>Subject: [blparent] FW: [blind-family] Blind Child/Young Adolescent
>	Study
>To: fopbc at nfbnet.org, blindkid at nfbnet.org, blparent at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <20091013024759.F02ED2AF97A at node77.smtp.com
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

>David, please let me know if this is appropriate for the lists.


>Original Message:
>From: "Sleep and Mood Disorders Lab" <sleeplab at ohsu.edu
>To: blind-family at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [blind-family] Blind Child/Young Adolescent Study
>Date:
>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:00:07 -0000

>Hello,

>My name is Amber Laurie, and I am a Research Assistant in the Sleep and
>Mood Disorders Laboratory of Oregon Health and Science University in
>Portland, Oregon.  I am writing you to ask for your help in reaching family
>members and educators of blind children and young adults who may be
>interested in participating in a study currently taking place under the
>direction of Dr.  Alfred Lewy.  We are looking for blind children (ages 5-8)
>and blind young adults (ages 17-20) who have little or no light perception.
>The purpose of this study is to identify abnormal body rhythms and sleeping
>patterns of blind children and young adults and to determine if these
>rhythms affect sleep quality and social/academic functioning.

>The body clocks of sighted people are reset every day by the daily rising
>and setting of the sun, a process that is not possible for the blind, as
>they cannot receive light through their eyes.  This causes many completely
>blind children and adults to suffer from sleep problems.  Blind children
>and teenagers tend to have body rhythms which free-run, meaning that their
>natural body rhythms drift later each day, causing sleep and activity
>problems.  This is similar to the jet lag that people sometimes experience
>when they travel.  (For more information on this phenomenon, type "circadian
>rhythms in the blind" into your internet browser.)  We think that
>understanding and treating this problem is important for the social and
>academic functioning of blind children in the US, with the results of our
>study potentially extending worldwide and benefiting sighted children and
>young adults as well.

>We will measure body rhythms by using sleep diaries and wristwatch-style
>activity monitors, and by sometimes measuring melatonin levels in saliva.
>Sleep quality and daytime functioning will be determined by questionnaires
>completed by participants, teachers, and parents.  The studies may also
>involve daytime saliva collection sessions, collected at the participants'
>home.  All costs of participation will be covered by the investigators.

>There are a number of ways you could help us get the word out about this
>study.  First, you could distribute the included flyers to families with
>blind children and young adults.  It would also be helpful for us to know
>about publications that are of interest to families with blind children, so
>that we may distribute advertisements to those publications.

>If you know of any potential candidates who may qualify and/or who are
>interested in learning more about the study, or if you know of any
>publications that are distributed to families with blind children and young
>adults, please have the candidate and/or their parent(s) contact me at
>sleeplab at ohsu.edu or 503-494-1402.

>Thank you very much for your help, and I hope to hear from you soon.

>Sincerely,

>Amber Laurie




>------------------------------

>Message: 18
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:54:36 -0400
>From: "Eileen Levin" <eileenlevin at comcast.net
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Message-ID: <006c01ca4bf3$8e3710b0$aaa53210$@net
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>Cell phonhe pricing varies at VZW by as much as 50% if you are willing to
>wait.

>If you are happy with your current phone and plan VZW will continue to
>charge you monthly without extending your contract.  You will be contract
>free until you sign a new one.


>I Copy mp3 and text files from the pc to the  SD card fitted into a card
>reader which is plugged into a USB drive on my PC.  It's faster than active
>sync and the files work just fine.
>This works great on phones with easily accessible sd cards, not so good if
>the card is buried under the battery.

>Verizon will let folks with   smart phones released prior to October 2008
>remove the data feature but newer phones after that date are required to
>have the data feature.  It's expensive.  Now that I have the Book Sense to do
>my reading and music listening I'm seriously considering getting a cheap LG
>phone and dealing with the lack of accessibility.  At least the LG phones
>will allow use of the contact list.
>The EnV III specs out at 4-5 oz lighter than the Env II.  And it allows you
>to take a self portrait with the front LCD screen.  I wonder if I could get
>my 3 year old to take his own picture since he hides his face and won't let
>us take pictures any more.  LOL
>Eileen

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Eva Adams
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:50 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>Hey Ali,
>I will tell you that you will need sighted assistance to put mobile speak on

>the e71x if you are a jaws user.  I have not been able to find a copy of
>nokia pc sweet that will work fully with jaws.  I like the window smart
>phones, because I have found the program to be accessible to transfer files
>to the phone.  Who has told you guys that you have to have a data plan for
>the phones? My fiance bought the e71x a few months ago, and didn't have to
>have a data plan.  I bought my pantech duo in February, and didn't have to
>have a data plan.  I am curious if this is a new thing.  The only phone I have

>heard of that you have to have a data plan for it the IPhone.

>Eva
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Allie" <alliemartins at gmail.com
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?


>> Hi Rebecca,

>> I know Verizon has the HTC Ozone with Talks already installed on it.  Not
>> sure how much it would be in the store, but it's $149.98 if you order it
>> online.  That seems to be the best phone they have with Talks on it.  They
>> also have the LG phones that talk straight off the shelf, and which
>> apparently have gotten better, but I don't know much about them.
>> AT&T has a few different options you can choose from.  My contract with
>> Verizon is up this month, and I was planning on switching to AT&T as well.

>> The plan I'm switching to has the same amount of minutes and features for
>> the same price.  I am also struggling with the data package idea; I really
>> don't want to pay 20 or 30 extra dollars a month for something I will
>> hardly use.

>> Have you looked at www.letstalk.com? I was interested in the Nokia E71X
>> with a two year contract because it was free.  You can't get mobile speak
>> through that site, but I was planning on calling the Disability Center at
>> AT&T anyway and getting mobile speak that way.

>> Also, if you're not sure what AT&T phones mobile speak supports, you can
>> look up the list of supported phones on www.codefactory.es

>> HTH.

>> -- Allie

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:57 AM
>> Subject: [blparent] accessable cell phones?


>>> Hi guys.
>>> I don't know if this offtopic for this list or not.
>>> Anyway, I'm thinking I want an accessable cell phone and am trying to
>>> decide between AT&T and Verizon.  We have Verizon and our contract is up.
>>> A trip to the Verizon store and a talk on their phone about accessable
>>> options was to say the least not very confidence enspiring.  I had to
>>> tell the Verizon lady on the phone and the guy at the store about Talks,
>>> both seemed unaware of it.
>>> AT&T seems to have a phone with Mobilespeak that will do what I want.
>>> Does anybody on this list know anything about either plan or option and
>>> have any feedback?
>>> AT&T says if I give them proof of my blindness they will take the data
>>> package off the phone with Mobilespeak.  I am not a big cell phone user,
>>> don't really want the data package, but nor do I want to give AT&T any
>>> medical info.
>>> All I want is a phone where I can add contacts, use menus and know who's
>>> calling.
>>> Thoughts?
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>Message: 19
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:39:47 -0400
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>Things I'm glad we baught.
>1.  carseat.
>2.  A high-end though not necessarily expensive baby carrier, one that I
>can wear
>3.  Stroller (because both a carrier and stroller have their place and
>time.
>4.  a crib
>Things we could have done without;
>1.  The pack'n'play
>2.  low-end baby carriers
>I wouldn't buy a carseat or crib used, we were given a crib that was
>used, only to find out by luck that it had been recalled.  You can buy
>well-made inexpensive cribs, mine cost about $100.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of Veronica Smith
>Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 4:48 PM
>To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without

>1.  a must:  a crib.  I feel that the basinet was not needed.  Gab only
>slept
>in it for a couple of nights before I moved her to the crib.
>2.  a walker.  She never used it and walked from chair to couch to hand
>to
>hand.
>3.  a must: a high chair or some kind of chair that either attached to a
>regular chair or to the table.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On
>Behalf Of Angela Frederick
>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:48 AM
>To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [blparent] Items you couldn't live without

>Hi, everybody,

>Okay, so I am a huge nerd and have been trying to figure out what our
>family budget could be if we succeed in getting pregnant.  I've been
>looking at baby items and their costs and wondering what is really
>necessary and worth spending money on.

>So, I would like to know from all of you who have kids:

>1.  What baby items do you consider a necessity or a life-saver?

>and

>2.  What baby items do you wish you hadn't spent money on?

>Thanks for the feedback!
>Angela


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>Message: 20
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:38:10 -0400
>From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" <melissa at riccobono.us
>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk]  Items you couldn't live without
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>Hello Angela and list,
>	I agree with most of what has all ready been said.  The only thing I
>would add, that was an absolutely must have for me and the baby, is a really
>comfortable rocking chair.  I actually bought a very nice wooden chair with
>an audaman which also rocks for my feet.  The chair reclines also, and
>actually still rocks when it is reclined, so I could lean back and close my
>eyes and still rock Austin when he was fussy.  For me this was the best
>place to nurse Austin at night, especially in the middle of the night, first
>thing in the morning, and at naptime.  I also sat and rocked in the chair a
>bit when I was pregnant.  They say that babies can feel this motion in the
>womb and often respond even better to being rocked after they are born if
>they are rocked inside.  So, once in a while I would sit and put my feet up,
>rock and relax.  Sometimes I would even read to the baby, or my husband
>would read to the baby while I rocked.  It was a great way for me to relax.
>After Austin was born I used the chair everyday until he was about 2, and
>even now he wants to be rocked occasionally.  So, the chair was definitely a
>big purchase, but I have never regretted it.  Also, once I don't have any
>babies to rock in the chair I will still be able to use it as a nice place
>to sit, read, crochet, etc.  As with every big purchase, go to stores and
>try out chairs to see which one is the most comfortable for you.  As soon as
>I sat in mine I knew it was the right one.  The price tag was definitely
>shocking, so I didn't purchase it right away, but I kept coming back to it
>and finally just broke down and made the purchase.  The chairs often have
>some cool features as well.  Mine has pockets on the sides which were great
>for burp rags, pascifiers, and other small things in the beginning, and
>books, small toys, etc.  now.  The audaman also has a special stool which
>pulls out from the bottom.  It's an additional place to put your feet for
>different nursing positions as the baby gets bigger.  I definitely used
>this, but it's probably not necessary.  It just depends on what you're
>looking for.  If you all ready have a comfortable rocker, then you're ahead
>of the game.  If you don't, it should be something you really consider
>purchasing.
>	One more thing I loved was my baby bathtub which had a mesh sling
>Austin laid on when he was young.  This supported him and give me both hands
>free for bathing him.  When he got older the bathtub had a seat with a ring
>so Austin could sit with support and I could wash him.  Then we got a blow
>up duck which actually quacked that he could be bathed in; he loved it.  I
>know there are tons of bathtubs out there, and tons of ways to bath your
>baby, but the mesh sling really worked well for us and I don't think anyone
>else has mentioned it.
>	Just one more thing...  Remember that your family and friends will
>probably be as excited about your baby as you are.  This means baby showers,
>baby gifts, and gift cards for you to spend for the baby.  We were very
>lucky to receive our stroller, highchair, play gym, and swing and exersaucer
>as shower gifts.  Even our rockingchair was partly purchased with a very
>generous gift card from my coworkers.  So you may not need to purchase as
>much in the beginning for the baby depending on those gifts.  I would
>definitely register for things you want so people know what to buy.
>	I hope some of this helps.
>Melissa

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Angela Frederick
>Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:06 AM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Items you couldn't live without

>Thanks, everyone, for your must haves and shouldn't have bought
>lists.  This will help me with a good start in figuring out how much
>a baby would cost for the first year.  Also, we will be living in an
>apartment for at least another two years, so I really don't want a
>lot of bulky items that turn out to be poor purchases anyway.

>Tammy, what is the name of those squeezy spoons, and where can you
>find them?  This is an interesting concept.

>Pipi, if you can find your lists without much inconvenience, I would
>love to see them.

>Thanks,
>Angela


>At 09:45 PM 10/10/2009, you wrote:
>>Hi,

>>In answer to your first question, I am so happy I spent the extra
>>money on the sit n stroll.  It's so much easier then using just a
>>carseat with the base and stroller system when you don't have a
>>car.  Also, our baby sling has been very useful when I've needed to
>>get things done but the baby needed attention.  One more is the
>>feeding spoon I have that you can put food in and just squeeze it
>>out.  I've actually bought another one just in case one's in the
>>dish washer when I need one.
>>Now on to your second question...I found that buying a full-size
>>high chair was a bit of a waste.  In fact mine's sitting down in the
>>basement because I don't really have room for it up in the
>>kitchen.  It was a gift though, so I actually didn't spend the money
>>for it myself.  But I have a booster seat that reclines that I have
>>on a chair at the table, and Remus sits with us and eats his food
>>too.  I guess that will only work if there are only 4 of you, and a
>>high chair might come in handy for my next one, but for now, it's a
>>bit of a space waster.

>>hth

>>Tammy
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Frederick"
>><angelahoward at mail.utexas.edu
>>To: <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:47 AM
>>Subject: [Bulk] [blparent] Items you couldn't live without


>>>Hi, everybody,

>>>Okay, so I am a huge nerd and have been trying to figure out what
>>>our family budget could be if we succeed in getting pregnant.  I've
>>>been looking at baby items and their costs and wondering what is
>>>really necessary and worth spending money on.

>>>So, I would like to know from all of you who have kids:

>>>1.  What baby items do you consider a necessity or a life-saver?

>>>and

>>>2.  What baby items do you wish you hadn't spent money on?

>>>Thanks for the feedback!
>>>Angela


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>Message: 21
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:27:04 -0400
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>Perfect.  And, thank you too for the info on the ENG3, this does sound
>like what I want.
>Tammy, thank you too for your info, I know I can do MP3's with one of
>the phones, I just don't want to, as both Verizon and AT&T tell me I am
>required to pay $30 a month for their "data plan" something I don't
>want.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of kcook715 at knology.net
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:18 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>If u don't decide to take the phone it voids a contract.  What's ur email
>ill have my hubby email u, he knows a lot about this.
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:02:10
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List<blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>You have 30 days *with* the phone but what about the contract?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of kcook715 at knology.net
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:42 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>The env3 does tell u who's calling.  Plus u have 30 days with vzw if u
>don't like it take it back.  Its a great phone
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:57:24
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List<blparent at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>Thank you.
>Which features are not accessible?
>And, in addition to the features you cite, will this phone also tell me
>who's caling?
>This phone may be what I need, it's too bad I had to bother you and the
>list, as Verizon should know how to do this.
>How much is this phone?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of Scott Lawlor
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:31 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] accessable cell phones?

>Hi.

>If you're wanting a phone that is good for texting and aren't planning
>to
>surf the net or check email, the lg env3 is actually quite accessible
>with
>it's built in voice command.  Sure, not every feature is accessible but
>you
>can both send and recieve text messages independently, add contacts to
>the
>addressbook, check the battery level, time and date, and call contacts
>with
>no sighted assistance.   You'll need sighted help in turning on two
>features
>in the tools menu but the people at the verizon store should be able to
>help
>you with that.  I have a short tutorial on some of the more helpful
>commands
>for this phone if anyone would like and am planning to create a
>comprehensive podcast for those who are interested.

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>To: <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:57 PM
>Subject: [blparent] accessable cell phones?


>> Hi guys.
>> I don't know if this offtopic for this list or not.
>> Anyway, I'm thinking I want an accessable cell phone and am trying to
>> decide between AT&T and Verizon.  We have Verizon and our contract is
>up.
>> A trip to the Verizon store and a talk on their phone about accessable
>> options was to say the least not very confidence enspiring.  I had to
>> tell the Verizon lady on the phone and the guy at the store about
>Talks,
>> both seemed unaware of it.
>> AT&T seems to have a phone with Mobilespeak that will do what I want.
>> Does anybody on this list know anything about either plan or option
>and
>> have any feedback?
>> AT&T says if I give them proof of my blindness they will take the data
>> package off the phone with Mobilespeak.  I am not a big cell phone
>user,
>> don't really want the data package, but nor do I want to give AT&T any
>> medical info.
>> All I want is a phone where I can add contacts, use menus and know
>who's
>> calling.
>> Thoughts?
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>Message: 22
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:55:37 -0400
>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk]  about rashes
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>Yeah, you need to know your child's baseline both in skin texture and
>temperature as wellas how your child behaves.  When those things change,
>you'll know, and you have a whole host of resources to advise.
>And, you'll have Mommy's instinct which never fails.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:19 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] about rashes

>Hi,

>It feels the same as when you get a rash, bumpy and hot!  If it's a bad
>rash
>the baby will pull away from you when you touch it and or cry.  The best

>thing I've found to treat diaper rash is a cream called parent's choice
>fromn walmart.  My first son used to get rashes all the time, but my
>second
>son is almost 8 months old and has never had one.

>Tammy
>----- Original Message -----
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>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:46 PM
>Subject: [Bulk] [blparent] about rashes


>> --
>> vanessa Hernandez

>> Hi this is Vanessa how could a blind parent know when a baby has a
>rash.
>> What does a rash feel like?

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>Message: 23
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:57:26 -0600
>From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net
>Subject: [blparent] Toddler Toys
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
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>Hi everybody.  With the holiday season bearing down on us, I was wondering about toys.  What toys have you found that you and your toddlers really enjoyed?
>What toys do you wish you had stayed away from?  I know a lot depends on the particular toddler, but I'm just looking for some ideas in case I'm asked
>what Sarah would like to have for Christmas.  She'll be 21 months old by then.  Thanks.
>Jo Elizabeth
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