[blparent] Love the quote
Jo Elizabeth Pinto
jopinto at pcdesk.net
Sat Feb 6 22:12:45 UTC 2010
Sure. I can't even remember where I found the proverb, but I liked it.
Jo Elizabeth
Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify
the hunters.--African Proverb
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>
> I love the quote about lions needing historians. Mind if I steal it?
>
>
>
> Bridgit P
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>> 1. Re: falling asleep? (Leslie Hamric)
>> 2. Re: Off topic electric cars (Veronica Smith)
>> 3. texting (Veronica Smith)
>> 4. Re: falling asleep? (Jo Elizabeth Pinto)
>> 5. Re: he's coming home! (Leslie Hamric)
>> 6. Re: he's coming home! (Leslie Hamric)
>> 7. Re: falling asleep? (Leslie Hamric)
>> 8. NAGDU Seven Night Caribbean Cruise (David Andrews)
>> 9. Re: falling asleep? (Veronica Smith)
>> 10. Re: he's coming home! (Veronica Smith)
>> 11. Home schooling as a blind parent (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>> 12. Birth of Cade Jeffrey Bazer (Jennifer Bazer)
>> 13. Re: Birth of Cade Jeffrey Bazer (Scott Lawlor)
>> 14. Re: Birth of Cade Jeffrey Bazer (Jo Elizabeth Pinto)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:56:39 -0600
>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> Message-ID: <007b01caa6a5$b7a18130$26e48390$@net>
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>> What's a light box and how does it work? Can you buy them at other places
>> besides EBay?
>> Leslie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:18 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>>
>> I bought one of those light boxes for about $120 on EBay, and while I
>> haven't been as faithful with it as I could be, it does seem to help
>> regulate my sleep and my moods, especially in the wintertime.
>>
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify
>> the hunters.--African Proverb
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:05 PM
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Leslie,
>> >
>> > In the Summer 2009 issue of Future Reflections we ran an article by the
>> > mother of a totally blind child with what sounds like a similar sleep
>> > problem. A sleep clinic recommended light box therapy which has
>> > apparently helped a lot. You sit in front of the light box for about
>> > half
>>
>> > an hour at the same time each morning and somehow it helps the body
>> > regulate its sleep cycles.
>> >
>> > Debbie
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 AM
>> > Subject: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi All. I was wondering if you could give me any ideas, as I'm running
>> >> into
>> >> a problem that could be potentially serious. Its happened a few times
>> >> where
>> >> I've fallen asleep with my baby in my arms. The first time it
>> >> happened,
>> >> one
>> >> of the nurses saw it and she informed me that I could potentially
>> >> suffocate
>> >> my baby by doing this. The problem is that I don't always know I'm
>> >> getting
>> >> sleepy unless someone tells me I am or until I start nodding off. I
>> >> had
>> >> a
>> >> sleep study done in 2004 and the specialist said I have a non 24 hour
>> >> sleep
>> >> cycle and the only way to remedy that is to get a full 8 hours of
>> >> sleep
>> >> at
>> >> the same time every night. Well, we both know that's virtually
>> >> impossible
>> >> now that I'm a new mom. Have you ever had this problem and if so, what
>> >> kinds of things did you do to stay awake while holding your baby? One
>> >> thing
>> >> I've tried was having the radio on and that doesn't seem to help.
>> >> Andy's
>> >> really worried about me too. He doesn't want me to fall asleep and
>> >> accidentally smother the baby. I don't want that either. I'm just at a
>> >> loss of how to solve this issue. I've heard other blind people having
>> >> the
>> >> same problem since they don't get the light stimulation.
>> >>
>> >> Leslie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:46:53 -0700
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Off topic electric cars
>> Message-ID: <002f01caa6bd$7ef02ea0$7cd08be0$@net>
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>> I read an article I believe it was in consumer reports not too long ago
>> and
>> it said one of the Asian car companies were looking into installing a
>> mechanism that plays music when the car is being run by solar power. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:29 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Off topic electric cars
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Carla,
>> As parents we all walk our kids to one place or another - to school, to
>> the
>> store, to a friend's house, to the park. Concern about silently operating
>> vehicles can have a tremendous impact on our freedom to travel with our
>> kids. So, from that perspective, this isn't an off-topic post at all.
>>
>> Through the NFB I have been very much involved in efforts to find
>> solutions
>> to the quiet car problem. Right now there are House and Senate bills
>> making
>> their way through Congress which call for a two-year study to come up
>> with a
>> mandated solution; the manufacturers then have two years to implement the
>> solution that has been found. We are hoping to establish some kind of
>> minimum sound standard that will not only apply to hybrid and electric
>> vehicles but to all vehicles, as many standard combustion cars have
>> gotten
>> extremely quiet too. If you would like to find out more you can join the
>> quiet cars listserv or visit quietcars.nfb.org.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karla Hudson" <HudsonKC at msu.edu>
>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:47 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] Off topic electric cars
>>
>>
>> > Sorry group I am going to get off topic here. I live in Michigan and
>> > before
>> > you know it their going to be rolling these electric cars off the
>> > assembly
>> > line and into a neighborhood near all of us. Can anyone tell what is
>> > being
>> > done to make these things audible? Who or what group is working on this
>> > problem. I am sure I am not telling any of you any thing new but this
>> > is
>> > not only dangerous for blind people it is also a problem for small
>> > children,
>> > bikers and runners as well as other groups. What can be done? I walk so
>> > much I would hate to have that freedom taken from me.
>> >
>> > Any info you have will be helpful.
>> >
>> > Karla
>> >
>> >
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>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:34:20 -0700
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [blparent] texting
>> Message-ID: <005001caa6aa$fa18c960$ee4a5c20$@net>
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>> Healthy baby campaign uses texts to reach mothers. By MATTHEW PERRONE. AP
>> Business Writer. WASHINGTON (AP) -- Expectant mothers are getting a new
>> tool to help keep themselves and their babies healthy: pregnancy tips
>> sent
>> directly to their cell phones. The so-called text4baby campaign is the
>> first
>> free, health education program in the U.S. to harness the reach of mobile
>> phones, according to its sponsors, which include Johnson & Johnson,
>> Pfizer,
>> WellPoint and CareFirst BlueCross and Blue Shield. Wireless carriers
>> including AT&T, Verizon and Sprint have agreed to waive all fees for
>> receiving the texts. Organizers say texting is an effective means of
>> delivering wellness tips because 90 percent of people in the U.S. have
>> cell
>> phones. Especially if you start talking about low-income people, cell
>> phones
>> are the indispensable tool for reaching them and engaging them about
>> their
>> health," said Paul Meyer, president of Voxiva, a company which operates
>> health texting programs in Africa, Latin America and India. Studies in
>> those
>> countries have shown that periodic texts can reduce smoking and other
>> unhealthy behaviors in pregnant mothers. Meyer said the U.S. program, run
>> by
>> Voxiva, will be the largest health-related texting program ever
>> undertaken.
>> Under the new service, mothers-to-be who text "BABY" to 511411 will
>> receive
>> weekly text messages, timed to their due date or their baby's birth date.
>> The messages, which have been vetted by government and nonprofit health
>> experts, deal with nutrition, immunization and birth defect prevention,
>> among other topics. The messages will continue through the baby's first
>> birthday. Text4baby is expected to be announced Thursday morning by
>> officials from the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy.
>> Government officials will be publicizing the campaign in speeches and
>> promotional materials. Organizers hope the effort can curb premature
>> births,
>> which can be caused by poor nutrition, excessive stress, smoking and
>> drinking alcohol. About 500,000 babies are born prematurely in the U.S.
>> each
>> year, and 28,000 infants die before their first birthday, according to
>> the
>> Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies Coalition. The nonprofit is among the
>> sponsors of the campaign. The real scary thing is that we're an
>> industrialized nation and we're not doing very well on infant mortality,
>> and
>> we know prematurity is a big part of that," said the group's director,
>> Judy
>> Meehan. Currently the U.S. ranks 30th worldwide for infant mortality,
>> according to Meehan, behind most Western European nations. Researchers at
>> the George Washington University have agreed to evaluate the
>> effectiveness
>> of text4baby by measuring health trends for mothers and newborns.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:38:17 -0700
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> Message-ID: <4A3869ABD78E4FB49148669DCFEE2AFA at D6D5W7C1>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> It's just a lamp that has a full spectrum light bulb in it. The bulb,
>> which
>> is very bright, is supposed to resemble sunlight more closely than the
>> bulbs
>> in regular incandescent or fluorescent lights. I'm sure you can get light
>> boxes at other places besides EBay. I was trying to save money on mine,
>> but
>> you could check medical supply stores, places that sell lighting and
>> lamps,
>> and I've even heard sources like Amazon and Target have the light therapy
>> boxes now. Good luck.
>>
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify
>> the hunters.--African Proverb
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:56 PM
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>>
>> > What's a light box and how does it work? Can you buy them at other
>> > places
>> > besides EBay?
>> > Leslie
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:18 PM
>> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> > I bought one of those light boxes for about $120 on EBay, and while I
>> > haven't been as faithful with it as I could be, it does seem to help
>> > regulate my sleep and my moods, especially in the wintertime.
>> >
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
>> > glorify
>> > the hunters.--African Proverb
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net>
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:05 PM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear Leslie,
>> >>
>> >> In the Summer 2009 issue of Future Reflections we ran an article by
>> >> the
>> >> mother of a totally blind child with what sounds like a similar sleep
>> >> problem. A sleep clinic recommended light box therapy which has
>> >> apparently helped a lot. You sit in front of the light box for about
>> >> half
>> >
>> >> an hour at the same time each morning and somehow it helps the body
>> >> regulate its sleep cycles.
>> >>
>> >> Debbie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> >> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 AM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi All. I was wondering if you could give me any ideas, as I'm
>> >>> running
>> >>> into
>> >>> a problem that could be potentially serious. Its happened a few times
>> >>> where
>> >>> I've fallen asleep with my baby in my arms. The first time it
>> >>> happened,
>> >>> one
>> >>> of the nurses saw it and she informed me that I could potentially
>> >>> suffocate
>> >>> my baby by doing this. The problem is that I don't always know I'm
>> >>> getting
>> >>> sleepy unless someone tells me I am or until I start nodding off. I
>> >>> had
>> >>> a
>> >>> sleep study done in 2004 and the specialist said I have a non 24 hour
>> >>> sleep
>> >>> cycle and the only way to remedy that is to get a full 8 hours of
>> >>> sleep
>> >>> at
>> >>> the same time every night. Well, we both know that's virtually
>> >>> impossible
>> >>> now that I'm a new mom. Have you ever had this problem and if so,
>> >>> what
>> >>> kinds of things did you do to stay awake while holding your baby? One
>> >>> thing
>> >>> I've tried was having the radio on and that doesn't seem to help.
>> >>> Andy's
>> >>> really worried about me too. He doesn't want me to fall asleep and
>> >>> accidentally smother the baby. I don't want that either. I'm just at
>> >>> a
>> >>> loss of how to solve this issue. I've heard other blind people having
>> >>> the
>> >>> same problem since they don't get the light stimulation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Leslie
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:15:04 -0600
>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
>> Message-ID: <008601caa6a8$4a068be0$de13a3a0$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi Grace. Michael's 4 pounds 15 ounces so amost 5 pounds.
>> Leslie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Grace Pires
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
>>
>> Congratulations. That's wonderful.
>>
>> How much does he weigh now?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:43 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: [blparent] he's coming home!
>>
>> Hi all. Thanks to all who responded about my sleep issue question. I'm
>> feeling more confident at the moment so that's good. So Michael's coming
>> home this evening after Andy gets off work! I can't believe it! In a way,
>> I'm relieved because I won't have the nurses watching over me like hawks.
>> I
>> did, however, get my favorite nurse at the hospital today and she stood
>> back
>> and let me do my thing which was also good. I did another diaper change
>> independently and also put him in one of his new outfits independently.
>> We'll have to get some premie outfits for him because the ones I have are
>> still too big on him. I'm also feeling every other kind of feeling in the
>> book from excitement to nervousness to simply anticipation of the future.
>> I'm actually in shock that he's coming home but am also looking forward
>> to
>> it as well. His room looks really nice too. Well, guess I'll go enjoy my
>> last few hours of being by myself around here. Again, I appreciate all
>> the
>> support and look forward to sharing more mommy/Michael adventures on the
>> list.
>>
>> Leslie
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:08:13 -0600
>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
>> Message-ID: <008001caa6a7$54efee80$fecfcb80$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi Jessica and all. I can't believe Michael's actually here at home with
>> us.
>> It's just so amazing! We went the hospital on Wednesday night at 8 pm to
>> pick him up and didn't get out of there till 11 pm since it took forever
>> to
>> fill out a ton of paperwork and the nurse we got didn't know how to use
>> the
>> new computer system. Oh well. I don't have to deal with the nurses
>> anymore. I had some that were really good and others who weren't as you
>> know. You guys were all right about hings starting to even out once we
>> got
>> home. I'm amazed at how much more comfortable I'm feeling with things
>> even
>> after 2 days. I'm not saying it will be a walk in the park from here but
>> at
>> least my confidence is starting to come back. Andy and I took Michael to
>> the pediatrician this morning and he said Michael's doing great. I really
>> like this doctor a lot. The only thing he said which made no sense to me
>> was that if Michael ever had a fever of 100.4 for me to all 911. That
>> sounded a little off to me so I asked if that was an everybody thing or
>> something specific to me. The only reason he had said that was because I
>> don't drive and he was simply not aware of the transportation options
>> available to me like the dial a ride and cabs. Once I explained what's
>> available, I think he felt a little better. But yes, if it's an
>> emergency,
>> I'll definitely call 911. But other than that, my blindness wasn't an
>> issue
>> with this doctor and I was happy about that. I always make sure to
>> mention
>> the resources available to me and that seems to help too. Michael's
>> asleep
>> right now bot it won't be long before he wakes up.
>> Leslie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jessica Lucken
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:07 AM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
>>
>> Leslie, congrats on Michael coming home so soon! I think most of the
>> people
>> on this list gave the advice I would give, but the one thing I'll add is,
>> don't feel like you have to put him in fancy several piece outfits at
>> this
>> stage. Once piece pagamas with feet so you don't have to worry about
>> socks
>> are just fine, that's what Owen wears at this point. Good luck, and
>> you'll
>> do great with the diapering too, just watach out for pee, it happens to
>> all
>> of us! :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:43 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: [blparent] he's coming home!
>>
>> Hi all. Thanks to all who responded about my sleep issue question. I'm
>> feeling more confident at the moment so that's good. So Michael's coming
>> home this evening after Andy gets off work! I can't believe it! In a way,
>> I'm relieved because I won't have the nurses watching over me like hawks.
>> I
>> did, however, get my favorite nurse at the hospital today and she stood
>> back
>> and let me do my thing which was also good. I did another diaper change
>> independently and also put him in one of his new outfits independently.
>> We'll have to get some premie outfits for him because the ones I have are
>> still too big on him. I'm also feeling every other kind of feeling in the
>> book from excitement to nervousness to simply anticipation of the future.
>> I'm actually in shock that he's coming home but am also looking forward
>> to
>> it as well. His room looks really nice too. Well, guess I'll go enjoy my
>> last few hours of being by myself around here. Again, I appreciate all
>> the
>> support and look forward to sharing more mommy/Michael adventures on the
>> list.
>>
>> Leslie
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:58:45 -0600
>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> Message-ID: <007c01caa6a6$02865360$0792fa20$@net>
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>> Hi Debbie. Tell me more off list. Jo Elizabeth mentioned this device oo
>> and it might be worth looking in to.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Deborah Kent Stein
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:06 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Leslie,
>>
>> In the Summer 2009 issue of Future Reflections we ran an article by the
>> mother of a totally blind child with what sounds like a similar sleep
>> problem. A sleep clinic recommended light box therapy which has
>> apparently
>> helped a lot. You sit in front of the light box for about half an hour at
>> the same time each morning and somehow it helps the body regulate its
>> sleep
>> cycles.
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 AM
>> Subject: [blparent] falling asleep?
>>
>>
>> > Hi All. I was wondering if you could give me any ideas, as I'm running
>> > into
>> > a problem that could be potentially serious. Its happened a few times
>> > where
>> > I've fallen asleep with my baby in my arms. The first time it happened,
>> > one
>> > of the nurses saw it and she informed me that I could potentially
>> > suffocate
>> > my baby by doing this. The problem is that I don't always know I'm
>> > getting
>> > sleepy unless someone tells me I am or until I start nodding off. I had
>> > a
>> > sleep study done in 2004 and the specialist said I have a non 24 hour
>> > sleep
>> > cycle and the only way to remedy that is to get a full 8 hours of sleep
>> > at
>> > the same time every night. Well, we both know that's virtually
>> > impossible
>> > now that I'm a new mom. Have you ever had this problem and if so, what
>> > kinds of things did you do to stay awake while holding your baby? One
>> > thing
>> > I've tried was having the radio on and that doesn't seem to help.
>> > Andy's
>> > really worried about me too. He doesn't want me to fall asleep and
>> > accidentally smother the baby. I don't want that either. I'm just at a
>> > loss of how to solve this issue. I've heard other blind people having
>> > the
>> > same problem since they don't get the light stimulation.
>> >
>> > Leslie
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:53:55 -0600
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>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blparent] NAGDU Seven Night Caribbean Cruise
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:43:56 -0700
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> Message-ID: <003c01caa6ef$5fb01410$1f103c30$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> My aunt who has limited vision, put skylights all over her house for this
>> same reason. She used say she'd just drop off to sleep in the middle of
>> the
>> day until she read an article about too much darkness. The brain thinks
>> because there is no light or hardly any, it is night time and time for
>> bed.
>> This sort of happened to me as well. When I could see a tiny bit, I wore
>> sunglasses all the time and I guess because of the darkness I was sleepy.
>> Now I can't see at all and it happens to me the same. So I try to go out
>> to
>> the sunlight more often to wake up. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:38 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>>
>> It's just a lamp that has a full spectrum light bulb in it. The bulb,
>> which
>>
>> is very bright, is supposed to resemble sunlight more closely than the
>> bulbs
>>
>> in regular incandescent or fluorescent lights. I'm sure you can get light
>> boxes at other places besides EBay. I was trying to save money on mine,
>> but
>>
>> you could check medical supply stores, places that sell lighting and
>> lamps,
>> and I've even heard sources like Amazon and Target have the light therapy
>> boxes now. Good luck.
>>
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify
>> the hunters.--African Proverb
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:56 PM
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>>
>> > What's a light box and how does it work? Can you buy them at other
>> > places
>> > besides EBay?
>> > Leslie
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:18 PM
>> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> > I bought one of those light boxes for about $120 on EBay, and while I
>> > haven't been as faithful with it as I could be, it does seem to help
>> > regulate my sleep and my moods, especially in the wintertime.
>> >
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
>> > glorify
>> > the hunters.--African Proverb
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net>
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:05 PM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear Leslie,
>> >>
>> >> In the Summer 2009 issue of Future Reflections we ran an article by
>> >> the
>> >> mother of a totally blind child with what sounds like a similar sleep
>> >> problem. A sleep clinic recommended light box therapy which has
>> >> apparently helped a lot. You sit in front of the light box for about
>> >> half
>> >
>> >> an hour at the same time each morning and somehow it helps the body
>> >> regulate its sleep cycles.
>> >>
>> >> Debbie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> >> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 AM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi All. I was wondering if you could give me any ideas, as I'm
>> >>> running
>> >>> into
>> >>> a problem that could be potentially serious. Its happened a few times
>> >>> where
>> >>> I've fallen asleep with my baby in my arms. The first time it
>> >>> happened,
>> >>> one
>> >>> of the nurses saw it and she informed me that I could potentially
>> >>> suffocate
>> >>> my baby by doing this. The problem is that I don't always know I'm
>> >>> getting
>> >>> sleepy unless someone tells me I am or until I start nodding off. I
>> >>> had
>> >>> a
>> >>> sleep study done in 2004 and the specialist said I have a non 24 hour
>> >>> sleep
>> >>> cycle and the only way to remedy that is to get a full 8 hours of
>> >>> sleep
>> >>> at
>> >>> the same time every night. Well, we both know that's virtually
>> >>> impossible
>> >>> now that I'm a new mom. Have you ever had this problem and if so,
>> >>> what
>> >>> kinds of things did you do to stay awake while holding your baby? One
>> >>> thing
>> >>> I've tried was having the radio on and that doesn't seem to help.
>> >>> Andy's
>> >>> really worried about me too. He doesn't want me to fall asleep and
>> >>> accidentally smother the baby. I don't want that either. I'm just at
>> >>> a
>> >>> loss of how to solve this issue. I've heard other blind people having
>> >>> the
>> >>> same problem since they don't get the light stimulation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Leslie
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:47:35 -0700
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
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>> One thing that I really liked about our pediatrician was that he would
>> put
>> Gab in my lap to examine her. He said this way I could be part of the
>> exam
>> and know exactly what was going on. Now this was his suggestion, as
>> everything was so new to me. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:08 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
>>
>> Hi Jessica and all. I can't believe Michael's actually here at home with
>> us.
>> It's just so amazing! We went the hospital on Wednesday night at 8 pm to
>> pick him up and didn't get out of there till 11 pm since it took forever
>> to
>> fill out a ton of paperwork and the nurse we got didn't know how to use
>> the
>> new computer system. Oh well. I don't have to deal with the nurses
>> anymore. I had some that were really good and others who weren't as you
>> know. You guys were all right about hings starting to even out once we
>> got
>> home. I'm amazed at how much more comfortable I'm feeling with things
>> even
>> after 2 days. I'm not saying it will be a walk in the park from here but
>> at
>> least my confidence is starting to come back. Andy and I took Michael to
>> the pediatrician this morning and he said Michael's doing great. I really
>> like this doctor a lot. The only thing he said which made no sense to me
>> was that if Michael ever had a fever of 100.4 for me to all 911. That
>> sounded a little off to me so I asked if that was an everybody thing or
>> something specific to me. The only reason he had said that was because I
>> don't drive and he was simply not aware of the transportation options
>> available to me like the dial a ride and cabs. Once I explained what's
>> available, I think he felt a little better. But yes, if it's an
>> emergency,
>> I'll definitely call 911. But other than that, my blindness wasn't an
>> issue
>> with this doctor and I was happy about that. I always make sure to
>> mention
>> the resources available to me and that seems to help too. Michael's
>> asleep
>> right now bot it won't be long before he wakes up.
>> Leslie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jessica Lucken
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:07 AM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
>>
>> Leslie, congrats on Michael coming home so soon! I think most of the
>> people
>> on this list gave the advice I would give, but the one thing I'll add is,
>> don't feel like you have to put him in fancy several piece outfits at
>> this
>> stage. Once piece pagamas with feet so you don't have to worry about
>> socks
>> are just fine, that's what Owen wears at this point. Good luck, and
>> you'll
>> do great with the diapering too, just watach out for pee, it happens to
>> all
>> of us! :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:43 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: [blparent] he's coming home!
>>
>> Hi all. Thanks to all who responded about my sleep issue question. I'm
>> feeling more confident at the moment so that's good. So Michael's coming
>> home this evening after Andy gets off work! I can't believe it! In a way,
>> I'm relieved because I won't have the nurses watching over me like hawks.
>> I
>> did, however, get my favorite nurse at the hospital today and she stood
>> back
>> and let me do my thing which was also good. I did another diaper change
>> independently and also put him in one of his new outfits independently.
>> We'll have to get some premie outfits for him because the ones I have are
>> still too big on him. I'm also feeling every other kind of feeling in the
>> book from excitement to nervousness to simply anticipation of the future.
>> I'm actually in shock that he's coming home but am also looking forward
>> to
>> it as well. His room looks really nice too. Well, guess I'll go enjoy my
>> last few hours of being by myself around here. Again, I appreciate all
>> the
>> support and look forward to sharing more mommy/Michael adventures on the
>> list.
>>
>> Leslie
>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:53:21 -0600
>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [blparent] Home schooling as a blind parent
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>>
>> As for the blind thing, I would suggest you take all things in stride. As
>> I have found, most things can be solved with commone sense. Research
>> different home schooling materials, utilize all resources available to
>> you, and do not forget that, legally, public schools must offer courses
>> to homeschool students. So if there is a topic you are not comfortable
>> with, or as your children move into advance subjects they can always go
>> to a public school to receive this training. The public schools also
>> should allow homeschoolers to participate in extra-curricular activities.
>> I would check into your states laws.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I was homeschooled for a bit as a kid, I can tell you it is vital to
>> allow your children to participate in different social activities such as
>> sports, youthgroup, clubs, etc. Just like public school, you also must
>> set a schedule. No sleeping in or slacking off. Just because you are at
>> home does not mean the kids can skip a day. *smile* However, incorporate
>> chores and play into the curriculum. They won't be just sitting around,
>> but school will become interactive.
>>
>>
>>
>> My mom purchased real school desk, and we had a small library. If you
>> would like more info my mother would love to help I am sure. She has
>> homeschooled her own children as well as neighbor kids, and she has been
>> a teacher for 15 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck with everything. My husband and I, who are both blind as well,
>> are looking to adopt too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> > From: blparent-request at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: blparent Digest, Vol 69, Issue 6
>> > To: blparent at nfbnet.org
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>> > 1. advice on bloody noses (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>> > 2. Off topic electric cars (Karla Hudson)
>> > 3. Re: advice on bloody noses (Jo Elizabeth Pinto)
>> > 4. Homeschooling as a Blind parent (Miranda Borka)
>> > 5. Re: he's coming home! (Veronica Smith)
>> > 6. Re: advice on bloody noses (Veronica Smith)
>> > 7. Re: frustrated (Deborah Kent Stein)
>> > 8. Re: falling asleep? (Deborah Kent Stein)
>> > 9. Re: falling asleep? (Grace Pires)
>> > 10. Re: falling asleep? (Jo Elizabeth Pinto)
>> > 11. Re: falling asleep? (Tammy, Paul and Colyn)
>> > 12. Re: Off topic electric cars (Deborah Kent Stein)
>> >
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:52:35 -0600
>> > From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> > To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [blparent] advice on bloody noses
>> > Message-ID: <SNT136-w59DAAB56D2DDC247464A43C4550 at phx.gbl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here is the situation. Very little I have found difficult to do
>> > as a blind person, but my little girl, who is 4-1/2, gets bloody noses
>> > often. She does not always tell me right away. As a totally blind
>> > person, does anyone have advice on some alternative techniques, if
>> > there are any, to discover and deal with this problem? I found her last
>> > time in bed crying over her nose, but we had a talk and she now
>> > understand that there is nothing wrong with this, but she needs to tell
>> > me right away.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For the record, there is nothing wrong, the bloody nose is mostly due
>> > to this dry, winter weather.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > _________________________________________________________________
>> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
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>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:47:06 -0500
>> > From: "Karla Hudson" <HudsonKC at msu.edu>
>> > To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [blparent] Off topic electric cars
>> > Message-ID: <67B4D3F27E584F8E8E46DC7392622CE8 at KarlaPC>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Sorry group I am going to get off topic here. I live in Michigan and
>> > before
>> > you know it their going to be rolling these electric cars off the
>> > assembly
>> > line and into a neighborhood near all of us. Can anyone tell what is
>> > being
>> > done to make these things audible? Who or what group is working on this
>> > problem. I am sure I am not telling any of you any thing new but this
>> > is
>> > not only dangerous for blind people it is also a problem for small
>> > children,
>> > bikers and runners as well as other groups. What can be done? I walk so
>> > much I would hate to have that freedom taken from me.
>> >
>> > Any info you have will be helpful.
>> >
>> > Karla
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:20:37 -0700
>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] advice on bloody noses
>> > Message-ID: <998B675A7BE54C91BD26A51FACC357B6 at D6D5W7C1>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Hi. I get bloody noses often myself because of the dry weather in the
>> > winter. Running a humidifier in the house constantly helps me
>> > tremendously.
>> > The other thing is, when you get bloodstains on fabric or upholstered
>> > furniture, wet down the stain with cold water and rub powdered meat
>> > tenderizer into it, then leave it to set for a little while and scrub
>> > it
>> > off. Meat tenderizer is made to break down blood in meat, but it does
>> > wonders for blood on clothing and bedding as well. Hope this helps.
>> >
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
>> > glorify
>> > the hunters.--African Proverb
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:52 PM
>> > To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [blparent] advice on bloody noses
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Okay, here is the situation. Very little I have found difficult to do
>> > > as
>> > > a blind person, but my little girl, who is 4-1/2, gets bloody noses
>> > > often.
>> > > She does not always tell me right away. As a totally blind person,
>> > > does
>> > > anyone have advice on some alternative techniques, if there are any,
>> > > to
>> > > discover and deal with this problem? I found her last time in bed
>> > > crying
>> > > over her nose, but we had a talk and she now understand that there is
>> > > nothing wrong with this, but she needs to tell me right away.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For the record, there is nothing wrong, the bloody nose is mostly due
>> > > to
>> > > this dry, winter weather.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bridgit
>> > >
>> > > _________________________________________________________________
>> > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
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>> > > blparent:
>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blparent_nfbnet.org/jopinto%40pcdesk.net
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:08:27 -0500
>> > From: Miranda Borka <knownoflove at aol.com>
>> > To: Blind Parents <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [blparent] Homeschooling as a Blind parent
>> > Message-ID: <bc9.65fad2b9.389c9eac at aim.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > My husband and I are totally blind, and are wondering if any of you
>> > home school your children? If so, could you provide any resources and
>> > advice on how to best go about this as someone who is blind?
>> > We don't yet have children, but are looking into adopting from our
>> > state's fostercare system. We want to be as prepared as possible, so
>> > we're not playing the last-minute scramble game.
>> > Thanks in advance, and have a great day!
>> >
>> > In Christ, Miranda
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:21:54 -0700
>> > From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
>> > Message-ID: <000c01caa5e8$75015de0$5f0419a0$@net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > I used to put Gab in what I call Sweet peas. I think the real name for
>> > them
>> > are layettes. Anyway they look like a nightgown with elastic at the
>> > bottom.
>> > v
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Jessica Lucken
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:07 AM
>> > To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] he's coming home!
>> >
>> > Leslie, congrats on Michael coming home so soon! I think most of the
>> > people
>> > on this list gave the advice I would give, but the one thing I'll add
>> > is,
>> > don't feel like you have to put him in fancy several piece outfits at
>> > this
>> > stage. Once piece pagamas with feet so you don't have to worry about
>> > socks
>> > are just fine, that's what Owen wears at this point. Good luck, and
>> > you'll
>> > do great with the diapering too, just watach out for pee, it happens to
>> > all
>> > of us! :)
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:43 PM
>> > To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> > Subject: [blparent] he's coming home!
>> >
>> > Hi all. Thanks to all who responded about my sleep issue question. I'm
>> > feeling more confident at the moment so that's good. So Michael's
>> > coming
>> > home this evening after Andy gets off work! I can't believe it! In a
>> > way,
>> > I'm relieved because I won't have the nurses watching over me like
>> > hawks. I
>> > did, however, get my favorite nurse at the hospital today and she stood
>> > back
>> > and let me do my thing which was also good. I did another diaper change
>> > independently and also put him in one of his new outfits independently.
>> > We'll have to get some premie outfits for him because the ones I have
>> > are
>> > still too big on him. I'm also feeling every other kind of feeling in
>> > the
>> > book from excitement to nervousness to simply anticipation of the
>> > future.
>> > I'm actually in shock that he's coming home but am also looking forward
>> > to
>> > it as well. His room looks really nice too. Well, guess I'll go enjoy
>> > my
>> > last few hours of being by myself around here. Again, I appreciate all
>> > the
>> > support and look forward to sharing more mommy/Michael adventures on
>> > the
>> > list.
>> >
>> > Leslie
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > blparent:
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blparent_nfbnet.org/pete1744%40umn.edu
>> >
>> >
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>> > nn.net
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 6
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:24:26 -0700
>> > From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] advice on bloody noses
>> > Message-ID: <000d01caa5e8$cfca5560$6f5f0020$@net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Mine still doesn't tell me. But the way my Dr. told me to stop them
>> > quickly
>> > is either have your child drink ice water or suck on an ice cube. V
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:53 PM
>> > To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [blparent] advice on bloody noses
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here is the situation. Very little I have found difficult to do
>> > as a
>> > blind person, but my little girl, who is 4-1/2, gets bloody noses
>> > often.
>> > She does not always tell me right away. As a totally blind person, does
>> > anyone have advice on some alternative techniques, if there are any, to
>> > discover and deal with this problem? I found her last time in bed
>> > crying
>> > over her nose, but we had a talk and she now understand that there is
>> > nothing wrong with this, but she needs to tell me right away.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For the record, there is nothing wrong, the bloody nose is mostly due
>> > to
>> > this dry, winter weather.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > _________________________________________________________________
>> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > blparent at nfbnet.org
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>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > blparent:
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>> > nn.net
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 7
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:06:08 -0600
>> > From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] frustrated
>> > Message-ID: <024401caa5ee$a35274d0$640aa8c0 at Debbie>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi, V.,
>> >
>> > Bookshare has a Support at bookshare.org link that I have bound usually
>> > brings
>> > a quick reqponse. I hope you can get this straightened out, it's a
>> > great
>> > service!
>> >
>> > Debbie
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:23 PM
>> > Subject: [blparent] frustrated
>> >
>> >
>> > > For some time I have tried to become a member of Bookshare. I got the
>> > > disability requirements and I get newsletters from them regularly,
>> > > but I
>> > > cannot order a book or even find the info to tell them that their
>> > > website
>> > > keeps rejecting me. It continuously tells me that my password is
>> > > invalid
>> > > and then I request another and type it in and again, password
>> > > invalid.
>> > > Any
>> > > suggestions or does someone have a phone number in which to call
>> > > them.
>> > > Thanks, Frustrated in NM. V
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > blparent mailing list
>> > > blparent at nfbnet.org
>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org
>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > > blparent:
>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blparent_nfbnet.org/dkent5817%40worldnet.att.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 8
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:05:54 -0600
>> > From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > Message-ID: <033e01caa607$c0260720$640aa8c0 at Debbie>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Leslie,
>> >
>> > In the Summer 2009 issue of Future Reflections we ran an article by the
>> > mother of a totally blind child with what sounds like a similar sleep
>> > problem. A sleep clinic recommended light box therapy which has
>> > apparently
>> > helped a lot. You sit in front of the light box for about half an hour
>> > at
>> > the same time each morning and somehow it helps the body regulate its
>> > sleep
>> > cycles.
>> >
>> > Debbie
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 AM
>> > Subject: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi All. I was wondering if you could give me any ideas, as I'm
>> > > running
>> > > into
>> > > a problem that could be potentially serious. Its happened a few times
>> > > where
>> > > I've fallen asleep with my baby in my arms. The first time it
>> > > happened,
>> > > one
>> > > of the nurses saw it and she informed me that I could potentially
>> > > suffocate
>> > > my baby by doing this. The problem is that I don't always know I'm
>> > > getting
>> > > sleepy unless someone tells me I am or until I start nodding off. I
>> > > had a
>> > > sleep study done in 2004 and the specialist said I have a non 24 hour
>> > > sleep
>> > > cycle and the only way to remedy that is to get a full 8 hours of
>> > > sleep at
>> > > the same time every night. Well, we both know that's virtually
>> > > impossible
>> > > now that I'm a new mom. Have you ever had this problem and if so,
>> > > what
>> > > kinds of things did you do to stay awake while holding your baby? One
>> > > thing
>> > > I've tried was having the radio on and that doesn't seem to help.
>> > > Andy's
>> > > really worried about me too. He doesn't want me to fall asleep and
>> > > accidentally smother the baby. I don't want that either. I'm just at
>> > > a
>> > > loss of how to solve this issue. I've heard other blind people having
>> > > the
>> > > same problem since they don't get the light stimulation.
>> > >
>> > > Leslie
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
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>> > > blparent at nfbnet.org
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>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blparent_nfbnet.org/dkent5817%40worldnet.att.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 9
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:01:20 -0500
>> > From: "Grace Pires" <silvara at cox.net>
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > Message-ID: <006001caa60f$7e2d78f0$7a886ad0$@net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Exactly, mine traveled all over my apartment.
>> > I also loved the bouncer because when he was awake I could keep him
>> > near me
>> > while I did chores. He didn't care for the swing much.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:25 PM
>> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> > The other thing about a bassinet is that it is often on wheels, so it
>> > can be
>> >
>> > easily moved from room to room. The one I had could also be taken off
>> > the
>> > wheeled frame and used as a sort of sleeping basket. I found it very
>> > versatile.
>> >
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
>> > glorify
>> > the hunters.--African Proverb
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Grace Pires" <silvara at cox.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:08 PM
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> > > I have to say, I absolutely loved my bissonette because my son could
>> > > sleep
>> > > right next to me. I didn't have to get out of bed to check on him. I
>> > > actually was glad my cousin didn't listen to me and gave it to me as
>> > > baby
>> > > shower gift.
>> > > I had a pack and play but the bissonette was a better fit for my room
>> > > because it was smaller and the same height as my bed.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > > Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:45 PM
>> > > To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> > > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >
>> > > I have a pack n play so that might work too as a cosleeper.
>> > > Leslie
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > > Behalf Of Jessica Lucken
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:33 AM
>> > > To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> > > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >
>> > > I agree with Tammy, I actually slep with Owen last night, because he
>> > > is
>> > > going through a growth spurt and was at the breast all day yesterday
>> > > and
>> > > I
>> > > needed sleep. I have a co-sleeper which I really like too as it is at
>> > > the
>> > > level of the bed mattress so I can roll him in/out and change him and
>> > > everything without getting out of my bed. They are kind of pricy, but
>> > > I
>> > > know they have cheaper ones on Craig's list, I just got mine before I
>> > > thought to check there. They go up t olike 20 lbs so you can also use
>> > > them
>> > > as a portable crib too, though, they aren't as versatile as a pack
>> > > and
>> > > play,
>> > > but they are skinnier so ift into more places. I think mine is the
>> > > co-sleeper mini.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > > Behalf Of Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:10 AM
>> > > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> > > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I don't agree with that either. I think that what works for one
>> > > parent
>> > > won't always work for another parant, and if you are careful and
>> > > patient
>> > > you'll find what works for you.
>> > >
>> > > Tammy
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "DIANNA ALLEY" <dianna24 at earthlink.net>
>> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:30 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Well I don't know that the nurse is saying that. a lot of doctors
>> > >> say
>> > >> that you should not sleep with your child on you now. I don't agree.
>> > >> They also say you should keep your child on her or his back to
>> > >> sleep. If
>> > >> I did that I would have been up all the time and never slept. I just
>> > >> watch her really well.
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:00 PM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hi,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Totally agree with you here. This issue may be a long-standing
>> > >>> issue
>> > >>> but
>> > >
>> > >>> being a new parent will make it worse, not better, and the
>> > >>> insensativity
>> > >>> of some professionals due to their general lack of information or
>> > >>> due to
>> > >>> their own inadequacies is very very annoying to say the least. It
>> > >>> sounds
>> > >
>> > >>> to me like the nurse you're dealing with is trying to find reasons
>> > >>> why
>> > >>> you can't take care of your child and this is not what she should
>> > >>> be
>> > >>> doing. She should be trying to help you, or if she can't help you
>> > >>> she
>> > >>> should find somebody who can. Remember that you're not supposed to
>> > >>> know
>> > >>> all the answers right now, you're supposed to be the one asking
>> > >>> questions
>> > >
>> > >>> and she's the one who should have all the answers. If she doesn't,
>> > >>> then
>> > >>> she's at fault, not you.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> hth
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Tammy
>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>> From: "Dena Wainwright" <dena at envogueaccess.com>
>> > >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:17 PM
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>I get that. My only point is that if you are worried about falling
>> > >>>>asleep, there are precautions you can take to make the
>> > >>>>environment/situation safer so that when it happens, it isn't as
>> > >>>>dangerous for your baby. It makes me mad when nurses and other
>> > >>>>"professionals" try to terrify us into thinking we can't take care
>> > >>>>of
>> > >>>>our
>> > >
>> > >>>>children. We have enough doubts about that as it is - both because
>> > >>>>of
>> > >>>>our
>> > >
>> > >>>>blindness and our lack of experience as new parents. I'm not saying
>> > >>>>the
>> > >>>>nurse's concern isn't valid, but she could have offered solutions,
>> > >>>>instead of just saying that it should never happen. I mean, get
>> > >>>>real.
>> > >>>>Anyone who has a newborn knows that you are like the walking dead.
>> > >>>>I
>> > >>>>think we'd wonder about someone who didn't fall asleep at the drop
>> > >>>>of a
>> > >>>>hat :). I know the issue is a long term one in this case, but I'm
>> > >>>>sure
>> > >>>>it's compounded by new motherhood and the body trying to make
>> > >>>>breastmilk.
>> > >
>> > >>>>I was hoping to put some of her fears at ease by giving her some
>> > >>>>things
>> > >>>>she could try for when it does happen.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Dena
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>> From: "sharon howerton" <shrnhow at att.net>
>> > >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:51 PM
>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Dena, I think your points are well taken and great; however, it
>> > >>>>> sounds
>> > >>>>> to me, and I don't know this for sure, like Leslie has had a
>> > >>>>> problem
>> > >>>>> with this sort of thing long before she had Michael. I don't know
>> > >>>>> if
>> > >>>>> it's a blind thing, but it's happened to me, kids or no, and I
>> > >>>>> know
>> > >>>>> it's definitely happened with my significant other who was
>> > >>>>> sighted
>> > >>>>> until about 14 years ago. He can knock off at the drop of a hat
>> > >>>>> and
>> > >>>>> attributes it to getting up early (4 AM routinely) and having
>> > >>>>> worked
>> > >>>>> early mornings for many years requiring that he get up at 2:30
>> > >>>>> AM, but
>> > >>>>> he hasn't done that in many years. I have been better with this
>> > >>>>> in
>> > >>>>> recent years but will admit that I have had this sort of problem
>> > >>>>> even
>> > >>>>> at work; it was just something I could not control and needless
>> > >>>>> to
>> > >>>>> say,
>> > >
>> > >>>>> it was embarrassing.
>> > >>>>> Sharon
>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>>> From: "Dena Wainwright" <dena at envogueaccess.com>
>> > >>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:42 PM
>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> OK...First, falling asleep while holding your baby isn't
>> > >>>>>> necessarily
>> > >>>>>> a
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> bad thing if you prepare for that possibility. Yes, you
>> > >>>>>> absolutely
>> > >>>>>> must be more careful initially, both because he is extra tiny,
>> > >>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>> because he lacks head control. Yes, you could smother him - if
>> > >>>>>> you
>> > >>>>>> fell asleep with blankets over you both, tons of fluffy pillows
>> > >>>>>> all
>> > >>>>>> around you, with his face smushed into your body or clothing so
>> > >>>>>> he
>> > >>>>>> couldn't breathe, etc., but falling asleep with your baby in
>> > >>>>>> your
>> > >>>>>> arms
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> does not automatically equate to a suffocation hazard.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> For the first several months of Elise's life, the only way she
>> > >>>>>> would
>> > >>>>>> sleep is literally on my body. Maybe there are those who would
>> > >>>>>> disagree with this strategy, but if you've never had a child who
>> > >>>>>> absolutely would not sleep without physical contact (I mean for
>> > >>>>>> more
>> > >>>>>> than 10 minutes at a time...ever) then I'm not really interested
>> > >>>>>> in
>> > >>>>>> hearing how horrible you think it is. I thought (before I had
>> > >>>>>> this
>> > >>>>>> kind of baby) that cosleeping was stupid. I couldn't understand
>> > >>>>>> why
>> > >>>>>> anyone in their right mind would want to do it, especially when
>> > >>>>>> their
>> > >>>>>> child had a perfectly good crib or bassinette... Then I found
>> > >>>>>> myself
>> > >>>>>> in the situation where I probably wouldn't have gotten more than
>> > >>>>>> 2
>> > >>>>>> hours of sleep a day if I wasn't holding my baby, and suddenly
>> > >>>>>> it
>> > >>>>>> didn't seem so dumb.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Here are a couple of things you can do.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> If you do want to sleep with him:
>> > >>>>>> First, you can lay in the middle of your bed (with every blanket
>> > >>>>>> but
>> > >>>>>> the fitted sheet taken off of it). You can place a very firm
>> > >>>>>> pillow
>> > >>>>>> under your head (no other pillows of any kind should be on the
>> > >>>>>> bed).
>> > >>>>>> You can wear warm (but non-bulky) clothing to keep yourself from
>> > >>>>>> getting cold. If you really want to, you can put a bed rail on
>> > >>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>> bed, but I found that given that I was a good couple of feet
>> > >>>>>> from the
>> > >>>>>> edges, I didn't really need to. However, if you don't have the
>> > >>>>>> luxury
>> > >>>>>> of your own bed (we have a guest room, which made shift-taking
>> > >>>>>> easier
>> > >>>>>> in the beginning), you might want a rail on your side. Then you
>> > >>>>>> can
>> > >>>>>> place your baby on your stomach. He will be laying tummy to
>> > >>>>>> tummy
>> > >>>>>> with
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> you, with his head between your breasts. This is very soothing
>> > >>>>>> for
>> > >>>>>> mom
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> and baby, and can increase milk production if done skin to skin.
>> > >>>>>> You
>> > >>>>>> won't need to put a lot of clothing on him if you're doing this,
>> > >>>>>> as
>> > >>>>>> your combined body heat will keep him very warm, and it is
>> > >>>>>> actually
>> > >>>>>> better to keep babies on the cooler side as opposed to the
>> > >>>>>> warmer
>> > >>>>>> side.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Another thing you can do is wear him in a pouch on your front.
>> > >>>>>> This
>> > >>>>>> would allow you to sit up with him, but still be able to hold
>> > >>>>>> him
>> > >>>>>> securely. I will preface the pouch suggestion by saying that you
>> > >>>>>> should *never* *never* put a newborn baby with no head control
>> > >>>>>> into a
>> > >>>>>> sling of any kind in the cradle position. The cradle position is
>> > >>>>>> where
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> he is laying on his back across the front of your body (like he
>> > >>>>>> would
>> > >>>>>> be if you had one of your arms behind his head, and one under
>> > >>>>>> his bum
>> > >>>>>> and knees. This is an extremely dangerous position for such a
>> > >>>>>> young
>> > >>>>>> baby, because their chin can be pushed forward into their
>> > >>>>>> chest -
>> > >>>>>> cutting off their air supply. Because they are not able to move
>> > >>>>>> their
>> > >>>>>> head to accommodate this decreased air supply, they can
>> > >>>>>> literally
>> > >>>>>> suffocate to death in your arms. If you think I'm being
>> > >>>>>> overly-dramatic, my friend saw a 2 week old baby die in front of
>> > >>>>>> her
>> > >>>>>> because of this exact thing. If you want to use a pouch, the
>> > >>>>>> safest
>> > >>>>>> way to wear your baby is to put him in so that his body is
>> > >>>>>> parallel
>> > >>>>>> to
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> yours. His stomach will be against your chest, his head will be
>> > >>>>>> under
>> > >>>>>> your chin, and his legs will be folded froggy-style (with his
>> > >>>>>> heels
>> > >>>>>> resting against his bum and his knees bowed outward). Even very
>> > >>>>>> tiny
>> > >>>>>> babies have the ability to minimally shift their head from side
>> > >>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>> side, even if they can't lift it up on their own. This position
>> > >>>>>> makes
>> > >>>>>> it less likely that his chin will be pushed down into his chest,
>> > >>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>> it will also make it easier for you to hear him breathing,
>> > >>>>>> because
>> > >>>>>> his
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> face will be about 8 inches away from your own. Again, he won't
>> > >>>>>> need
>> > >>>>>> more than a onesie if he's in a pouch, as they are very warm. I
>> > >>>>>> got
>> > >>>>>> mine from
>> > >>>>>> www.kangarookorner.com
>> > >>>>>> Their staff is very helpful at describing their products, and
>> > >>>>>> assisting you with placing your order. They actually apologized
>> > >>>>>> to me
>> > >>>>>> that their site wasn't easier for me to use.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Hope some of this helps.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Dena
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>>>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> > >>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 AM
>> > >>>>>> Subject: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Hi All. I was wondering if you could give me any ideas, as I'm
>> > >>>>>>> running into
>> > >>>>>>> a problem that could be potentially serious. Its happened a few
>> > >>>>>>> times where
>> > >>>>>>> I've fallen asleep with my baby in my arms. The first time it
>> > >>>>>>> happened, one
>> > >>>>>>> of the nurses saw it and she informed me that I could
>> > >>>>>>> potentially
>> > >>>>>>> suffocate
>> > >>>>>>> my baby by doing this. The problem is that I don't always know
>> > >>>>>>> I'm
>> > >>>>>>> getting
>> > >>>>>>> sleepy unless someone tells me I am or until I start nodding
>> > >>>>>>> off. I
>> > >>>>>>> had a
>> > >>>>>>> sleep study done in 2004 and the specialist said I have a non
>> > >>>>>>> 24
>> > >>>>>>> hour
>> > >
>> > >>>>>>> sleep
>> > >>>>>>> cycle and the only way to remedy that is to get a full 8 hours
>> > >>>>>>> of
>> > >>>>>>> sleep at
>> > >>>>>>> the same time every night. Well, we both know that's virtually
>> > >>>>>>> impossible
>> > >>>>>>> now that I'm a new mom. Have you ever had this problem and if
>> > >>>>>>> so,
>> > >>>>>>> what
>> > >>>>>>> kinds of things did you do to stay awake while holding your
>> > >>>>>>> baby?
>> > >>>>>>> One thing
>> > >>>>>>> I've tried was having the radio on and that doesn't seem to
>> > >>>>>>> help.
>> > >>>>>>> Andy's
>> > >>>>>>> really worried about me too. He doesn't want me to fall asleep
>> > >>>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>>> accidentally smother the baby. I don't want that either. I'm
>> > >>>>>>> just
>> > >>>>>>> at a
>> > >>>>>>> loss of how to solve this issue. I've heard other blind people
>> > >>>>>>> having the
>> > >>>>>>> same problem since they don't get the light stimulation.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Leslie
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> > >>>>>>
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>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 10
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:18:22 -0700
>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > Message-ID: <D4F5B59BC6F2463CAEFE0ECE0AF528EE at D6D5W7C1>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=response
>> >
>> > I bought one of those light boxes for about $120 on EBay, and while I
>> > haven't been as faithful with it as I could be, it does seem to help
>> > regulate my sleep and my moods, especially in the wintertime.
>> >
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
>> > glorify
>> > the hunters.--African Proverb
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net>
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:05 PM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Leslie,
>> > >
>> > > In the Summer 2009 issue of Future Reflections we ran an article by
>> > > the
>> > > mother of a totally blind child with what sounds like a similar sleep
>> > > problem. A sleep clinic recommended light box therapy which has
>> > > apparently helped a lot. You sit in front of the light box for about
>> > > half
>> > > an hour at the same time each morning and somehow it helps the body
>> > > regulate its sleep cycles.
>> > >
>> > > Debbie
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> > > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 AM
>> > > Subject: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Hi All. I was wondering if you could give me any ideas, as I'm
>> > >> running
>> > >> into
>> > >> a problem that could be potentially serious. Its happened a few
>> > >> times
>> > >> where
>> > >> I've fallen asleep with my baby in my arms. The first time it
>> > >> happened,
>> > >> one
>> > >> of the nurses saw it and she informed me that I could potentially
>> > >> suffocate
>> > >> my baby by doing this. The problem is that I don't always know I'm
>> > >> getting
>> > >> sleepy unless someone tells me I am or until I start nodding off. I
>> > >> had
>> > >> a
>> > >> sleep study done in 2004 and the specialist said I have a non 24
>> > >> hour
>> > >> sleep
>> > >> cycle and the only way to remedy that is to get a full 8 hours of
>> > >> sleep
>> > >> at
>> > >> the same time every night. Well, we both know that's virtually
>> > >> impossible
>> > >> now that I'm a new mom. Have you ever had this problem and if so,
>> > >> what
>> > >> kinds of things did you do to stay awake while holding your baby?
>> > >> One
>> > >> thing
>> > >> I've tried was having the radio on and that doesn't seem to help.
>> > >> Andy's
>> > >> really worried about me too. He doesn't want me to fall asleep and
>> > >> accidentally smother the baby. I don't want that either. I'm just at
>> > >> a
>> > >> loss of how to solve this issue. I've heard other blind people
>> > >> having
>> > >> the
>> > >> same problem since they don't get the light stimulation.
>> > >>
>> > >> Leslie
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> blparent mailing list
>> > >> blparent at nfbnet.org
>> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org
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>> > >> for
>> > >> blparent:
>> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blparent_nfbnet.org/dkent5817%40worldnet.att.net
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 11
>> > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:31:24 -0500
>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > Message-ID: <F7D28D10D28A4B74A4375FC66B8B3D73 at tammyPC>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I always put my son to sleep on his back, but as soon as he was able to
>> > roll
>> > over on his tummy he did, and I would find him in the morning sleeping
>> > with
>> > his head in the corner, knees up underneath him with his butt up in the
>> > air.
>> > I couldn't understand how that could be comfortable, but apparently it
>> > was
>> > for him, and we never had any problems.
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" <melissa at riccobono.us>
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:12 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> >
>> >
>> > > That is absolutely crazy! I've always heard that as soon as a baby is
>> > > strong enough to roll him or herself over onto his or her tummy in
>> > > the
>> > > crib,
>> > > then he or she is strong enough either to roll back over onto the
>> > > back, or
>> > > to turn the head to help with breathing. I am glad you didn't lose
>> > > sleep,
>> > > literally, by checking her.
>> > > Melissa
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > > Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC Inc)
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:40 AM
>> > > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> > > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >
>> > > I had a nurse tell me "Get up at night and check your baby and if
>> > > she's
>> > > not on her back, roll her back onto her back". When I asked how and
>> > > when
>> > > I was supposed to sleep, she said "I don't know".
>> > > I think the nurses and doctors too though more so the nurses deal
>> > > with
>> > > the lowest common demonator in terms of patent intelligence, so they
>> > > have to doll out their guidance accordingly.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > > On Behalf Of DIANNA ALLEY
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 AM
>> > > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> > > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >
>> > > Well I don't know that the nurse is saying that. a lot of doctors say
>> > > that
>> > > you should not sleep with your child on you now. I don't agree. They
>> > > also
>> > > say you should keep your child on her or his back to sleep. If I did
>> > > that I
>> > > would have been up all the time and never slept. I just watch her
>> > > really
>> > > well.
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:00 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> Totally agree with you here. This issue may be a long-standing issue
>> > > but
>> > >> being a new parent will make it worse, not better, and the
>> > > insensativity
>> > >> of some professionals due to their general lack of information or
>> > >> due
>> > > to
>> > >> their own inadequacies is very very annoying to say the least. It
>> > > sounds
>> > >> to me like the nurse you're dealing with is trying to find reasons
>> > >> why
>> > > you
>> > >> can't take care of your child and this is not what she should be
>> > > doing.
>> > >> She should be trying to help you, or if she can't help you she
>> > >> should
>> > > find
>> > >> somebody who can. Remember that you're not supposed to know all the
>> > >> answers right now, you're supposed to be the one asking questions
>> > >> and
>> > >> she's the one who should have all the answers. If she doesn't, then
>> > > she's
>> > >> at fault, not you.
>> > >>
>> > >> hth
>> > >>
>> > >> Tammy
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> From: "Dena Wainwright" <dena at envogueaccess.com>
>> > >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:17 PM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>>I get that. My only point is that if you are worried about falling
>> > > asleep,
>> > >>>there are precautions you can take to make the environment/situation
>> > > safer
>> > >>>so that when it happens, it isn't as dangerous for your baby. It
>> > >>>makes
>> > > me
>> > >>>mad when nurses and other "professionals" try to terrify us into
>> > > thinking
>> > >>>we can't take care of our children. We have enough doubts about that
>> > > as it
>> > >>>is - both because of our blindness and our lack of experience as new
>> > >>>parents. I'm not saying the nurse's concern isn't valid, but she
>> > >>>could
>> > >
>> > >>>have offered solutions, instead of just saying that it should never
>> > >>>happen. I mean, get real. Anyone who has a newborn knows that you
>> > >>>are
>> > > like
>> > >>>the walking dead. I think we'd wonder about someone who didn't fall
>> > > asleep
>> > >>>at the drop of a hat :). I know the issue is a long term one in this
>> > > case,
>> > >>>but I'm sure it's compounded by new motherhood and the body trying
>> > >>>to
>> > > make
>> > >>>breastmilk. I was hoping to put some of her fears at ease by giving
>> > > her
>> > >>>some things she could try for when it does happen.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Dena
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>> From: "sharon howerton" <shrnhow at att.net>
>> > >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:51 PM
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Dena, I think your points are well taken and great; however, it
>> > > sounds
>> > >>>> to me, and I don't know this for sure, like Leslie has had a
>> > >>>> problem
>> > >
>> > >>>> with this sort of thing long before she had Michael. I don't know
>> > >>>> if
>> > >
>> > >>>> it's a blind thing, but it's happened to me, kids or no, and I
>> > >>>> know
>> > > it's
>> > >>>> definitely happened with my significant other who was sighted
>> > >>>> until
>> > >>>> about 14 years ago. He can knock off at the drop of a hat and
>> > > attributes
>> > >>>> it to getting up early (4 AM routinely) and having worked early
>> > > mornings
>> > >>>> for many years requiring that he get up at 2:30 AM, but he hasn't
>> > > done
>> > >>>> that in many years. I have been better with this in recent years
>> > >>>> but
>> > >
>> > >>>> will admit that I have had this sort of problem even at work; it
>> > >>>> was
>> > >
>> > >>>> just something I could not control and needless to say, it was
>> > >>>> embarrassing.
>> > >>>> Sharon
>> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>> From: "Dena Wainwright" <dena at envogueaccess.com>
>> > >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:42 PM
>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> OK...First, falling asleep while holding your baby isn't
>> > > necessarily a
>> > >>>>> bad thing if you prepare for that possibility. Yes, you
>> > >>>>> absolutely
>> > > must
>> > >>>>> be more careful initially, both because he is extra tiny, and
>> > > because
>> > >>>>> he lacks head control. Yes, you could smother him - if you fell
>> > > asleep
>> > >>>>> with blankets over you both, tons of fluffy pillows all around
>> > >>>>> you,
>> > >
>> > >>>>> with his face smushed into your body or clothing so he couldn't
>> > >>>>> breathe, etc., but falling asleep with your baby in your arms
>> > >>>>> does
>> > > not
>> > >>>>> automatically equate to a suffocation hazard.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> For the first several months of Elise's life, the only way she
>> > > would
>> > >>>>> sleep is literally on my body. Maybe there are those who would
>> > > disagree
>> > >>>>> with this strategy, but if you've never had a child who
>> > >>>>> absolutely
>> > >>>>> would not sleep without physical contact (I mean for more than 10
>> > >>>>> minutes at a time...ever) then I'm not really interested in
>> > >>>>> hearing
>> > > how
>> > >>>>> horrible you think it is. I thought (before I had this kind of
>> > > baby)
>> > >>>>> that cosleeping was stupid. I couldn't understand why anyone in
>> > > their
>> > >>>>> right mind would want to do it, especially when their child had a
>> > >>>>> perfectly good crib or bassinette... Then I found myself in the
>> > >>>>> situation where I probably wouldn't have gotten more than 2 hours
>> > > of
>> > >>>>> sleep a day if I wasn't holding my baby, and suddenly it didn't
>> > > seem so
>> > >>>>> dumb.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Here are a couple of things you can do.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> If you do want to sleep with him:
>> > >>>>> First, you can lay in the middle of your bed (with every blanket
>> > > but
>> > >>>>> the fitted sheet taken off of it). You can place a very firm
>> > >>>>> pillow
>> > >
>> > >>>>> under your head (no other pillows of any kind should be on the
>> > > bed).
>> > >>>>> You can wear warm (but non-bulky) clothing to keep yourself from
>> > >>>>> getting cold. If you really want to, you can put a bed rail on
>> > >>>>> the
>> > > bed,
>> > >>>>> but I found that given that I was a good couple of feet from the
>> > > edges,
>> > >>>>> I didn't really need to. However, if you don't have the luxury of
>> > > your
>> > >>>>> own bed (we have a guest room, which made shift-taking easier in
>> > > the
>> > >>>>> beginning), you might want a rail on your side. Then you can
>> > >>>>> place
>> > > your
>> > >>>>> baby on your stomach. He will be laying tummy to tummy with you,
>> > > with
>> > >>>>> his head between your breasts. This is very soothing for mom and
>> > > baby,
>> > >>>>> and can increase milk production if done skin to skin. You won't
>> > > need
>> > >>>>> to put a lot of clothing on him if you're doing this, as your
>> > > combined
>> > >>>>> body heat will keep him very warm, and it is actually better to
>> > > keep
>> > >>>>> babies on the cooler side as opposed to the warmer side.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Another thing you can do is wear him in a pouch on your front.
>> > >>>>> This
>> > >
>> > >>>>> would allow you to sit up with him, but still be able to hold him
>> > >>>>> securely. I will preface the pouch suggestion by saying that you
>> > > should
>> > >>>>> *never* *never* put a newborn baby with no head control into a
>> > > sling of
>> > >>>>> any kind in the cradle position. The cradle position is where he
>> > >>>>> is
>> > >
>> > >>>>> laying on his back across the front of your body (like he would
>> > >>>>> be
>> > > if
>> > >>>>> you had one of your arms behind his head, and one under his bum
>> > >>>>> and
>> > >
>> > >>>>> knees. This is an extremely dangerous position for such a young
>> > > baby,
>> > >>>>> because their chin can be pushed forward into their chest -
>> > >>>>> cutting
>> > > off
>> > >>>>> their air supply. Because they are not able to move their head to
>> > >>>>> accommodate this decreased air supply, they can literally
>> > >>>>> suffocate
>> > > to
>> > >>>>> death in your arms. If you think I'm being overly-dramatic, my
>> > > friend
>> > >>>>> saw a 2 week old baby die in front of her because of this exact
>> > > thing.
>> > >>>>> If you want to use a pouch, the safest way to wear your baby is
>> > >>>>> to
>> > > put
>> > >>>>> him in so that his body is parallel to yours. His stomach will be
>> > >>>>> against your chest, his head will be under your chin, and his
>> > >>>>> legs
>> > > will
>> > >>>>> be folded froggy-style (with his heels resting against his bum
>> > >>>>> and
>> > > his
>> > >>>>> knees bowed outward). Even very tiny babies have the ability to
>> > >>>>> minimally shift their head from side to side, even if they can't
>> > > lift
>> > >>>>> it up on their own. This position makes it less likely that his
>> > > chin
>> > >>>>> will be pushed down into his chest, and it will also make it
>> > >>>>> easier
>> > > for
>> > >>>>> you to hear him breathing, because his face will be about 8
>> > >>>>> inches
>> > > away
>> > >>>>> from your own. Again, he won't need more than a onesie if he's in
>> > >>>>> a
>> > >
>> > >>>>> pouch, as they are very warm. I got mine from
>> > >>>>> www.kangarookorner.com
>> > >>>>> Their staff is very helpful at describing their products, and
>> > > assisting
>> > >>>>> you with placing your order. They actually apologized to me that
>> > > their
>> > >>>>> site wasn't easier for me to use.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Hope some of this helps.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Dena
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>>> From: "Leslie Hamric" <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> > >>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:54 AM
>> > >>>>> Subject: [blparent] falling asleep?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Hi All. I was wondering if you could give me any ideas, as I'm
>> > >>>>>> running into
>> > >>>>>> a problem that could be potentially serious. Its happened a few
>> > > times
>> > >>>>>> where
>> > >>>>>> I've fallen asleep with my baby in my arms. The first time it
>> > >>>>>> happened, one
>> > >>>>>> of the nurses saw it and she informed me that I could
>> > >>>>>> potentially
>> > >>>>>> suffocate
>> > >>>>>> my baby by doing this. The problem is that I don't always know
>> > >>>>>> I'm
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> getting
>> > >>>>>> sleepy unless someone tells me I am or until I start nodding
>> > >>>>>> off.
>> > > I
>> > >>>>>> had a
>> > >>>>>> sleep study done in 2004 and the specialist said I have a non 24
>> > > hour
>> > >>>>>> sleep
>> > >>>>>> cycle and the only way to remedy that is to get a full 8 hours
>> > >>>>>> of
>> > >>>>>> sleep at
>> > >>>>>> the same time every night. Well, we both know that's virtually
>> > >>>>>> impossible
>> > >>>>>> now that I'm a new mom. Have you ever had this problem and if
>> > >>>>>> so,
>> > >
>> > >>>>>> what
>> > >>>>>> kinds of things did you do to stay awake while holding your
>> > >>>>>> baby?
>> > > One
>> > >>>>>> thing
>> > >>>>>> I've tried was having the radio on and that doesn't seem to
>> > >>>>>> help.
>> > >>>>>> Andy's
>> > >>>>>> really worried about me too. He doesn't want me to fall asleep
>> > >>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>> accidentally smother the baby. I don't want that either. I'm
>> > > just at
>> > >>>>>> a
>> > >>>>>> loss of how to solve this issue. I've heard other blind people
>> > > having
>> > >>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>> same problem since they don't get the light stimulation.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Leslie
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
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>> > Message: 12
>> > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:28:31 -0600
>> > From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at worldnet.att.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] Off topic electric cars
>> > Message-ID: <009301caa680$42737cd0$640aa8c0 at Debbie>
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>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Carla,
>> > As parents we all walk our kids to one place or another - to school, to
>> > the
>> > store, to a friend's house, to the park. Concern about silently
>> > operating
>> > vehicles can have a tremendous impact on our freedom to travel with our
>> > kids. So, from that perspective, this isn't an off-topic post at all.
>> >
>> > Through the NFB I have been very much involved in efforts to find
>> > solutions
>> > to the quiet car problem. Right now there are House and Senate bills
>> > making
>> > their way through Congress which call for a two-year study to come up
>> > with a
>> > mandated solution; the manufacturers then have two years to implement
>> > the
>> > solution that has been found. We are hoping to establish some kind of
>> > minimum sound standard that will not only apply to hybrid and electric
>> > vehicles but to all vehicles, as many standard combustion cars have
>> > gotten
>> > extremely quiet too. If you would like to find out more you can join
>> > the
>> > quiet cars listserv or visit quietcars.nfb.org.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Karla Hudson" <HudsonKC at msu.edu>
>> > To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:47 PM
>> > Subject: [blparent] Off topic electric cars
>> >
>> >
>> > > Sorry group I am going to get off topic here. I live in Michigan and
>> > > before
>> > > you know it their going to be rolling these electric cars off the
>> > > assembly
>> > > line and into a neighborhood near all of us. Can anyone tell what is
>> > > being
>> > > done to make these things audible? Who or what group is working on
>> > > this
>> > > problem. I am sure I am not telling any of you any thing new but this
>> > > is
>> > > not only dangerous for blind people it is also a problem for small
>> > > children,
>> > > bikers and runners as well as other groups. What can be done? I walk
>> > > so
>> > > much I would hate to have that freedom taken from me.
>> > >
>> > > Any info you have will be helpful.
>> > >
>> > > Karla
>> > >
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:02:50 -0500
>> From: "Jennifer Bazer" <jhipp25 at sc.rr.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [blparent] Birth of Cade Jeffrey Bazer
>> Message-ID: <FE.92.28731.0B0AD6B4 at cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
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>> Hello List,
>>
>> Wanted to let you know that Cade Jeffrey Bazer was born on February 1 at
>> 11:52 P.M. He weighed 8 lbs and 10 ozs and was 20 inches long.
>>
>> All in all, the birth was smooth and I am in awe of the entire birthing
>> experience as my husband and I were active participants through it all
>> being
>> able to touch his head many times during the process.
>>
>> What an experience from the hospital staff with our duola, nurses, nusery
>> staff, lactation consultants to the obgyn doctor and staff.
>>
>> What a miracle!
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Jennifer Bazer
>>
>> Tastefully Simple Consultant, 0094864
>>
>> Order online anytime!
>>
>> www.tastefullysimple.com/web/jbazer
>>
>> simplyjennifer25 at gmail.com
>>
>>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:10:55 -0600
>> From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor at mac.com>
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Birth of Cade Jeffrey Bazer
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>>
>> wow, congratulations. Those were the same weight and length stats for our
>> little girl.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jennifer Bazer" <jhipp25 at sc.rr.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:02 AM
>> Subject: [blparent] Birth of Cade Jeffrey Bazer
>>
>>
>> > Hello List,
>> >
>> > Wanted to let you know that Cade Jeffrey Bazer was born on February 1
>> > at
>> > 11:52 P.M. He weighed 8 lbs and 10 ozs and was 20 inches long.
>> >
>> > All in all, the birth was smooth and I am in awe of the entire birthing
>> > experience as my husband and I were active participants through it all
>> > being
>> > able to touch his head many times during the process.
>> >
>> > What an experience from the hospital staff with our duola, nurses,
>> > nusery
>> > staff, lactation consultants to the obgyn doctor and staff.
>> >
>> > What a miracle!
>> >
>> > Kind Regards,
>> >
>> > Jennifer Bazer
>> >
>> > Tastefully Simple Consultant, 0094864
>> >
>> > Order online anytime!
>> >
>> > www.tastefullysimple.com/web/jbazer
>> >
>> > simplyjennifer25 at gmail.com
>> >
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:27:47 -0700
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Birth of Cade Jeffrey Bazer
>> Message-ID: <EE7D4F376024491E9E204A88864552D7 at D6D5W7C1>
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>> Congratulations, Jennifer. Enjoy your new baby!
>>
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify
>> the hunters.--African Proverb
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jennifer Bazer" <jhipp25 at sc.rr.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:02 AM
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [blparent] Birth of Cade Jeffrey Bazer
>>
>> > Hello List,
>> >
>> > Wanted to let you know that Cade Jeffrey Bazer was born on February 1
>> > at
>> > 11:52 P.M. He weighed 8 lbs and 10 ozs and was 20 inches long.
>> >
>> > All in all, the birth was smooth and I am in awe of the entire birthing
>> > experience as my husband and I were active participants through it all
>> > being
>> > able to touch his head many times during the process.
>> >
>> > What an experience from the hospital staff with our duola, nurses,
>> > nusery
>> > staff, lactation consultants to the obgyn doctor and staff.
>> >
>> > What a miracle!
>> >
>> > Kind Regards,
>> >
>> > Jennifer Bazer
>> >
>> > Tastefully Simple Consultant, 0094864
>> >
>> > Order online anytime!
>> >
>> > www.tastefullysimple.com/web/jbazer
>> >
>> > simplyjennifer25 at gmail.com
>> >
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