[blparent] Pregnancy and food- Helpers pushing beliefs on you

Tue Mar 20 14:12:29 UTC 2012

We have done so, but the branch president doesn't like to get involved 
because he wants to try to keep the peace, and taking anyone's side in an 
argument, even if the side being taken is that of truth, at least here, 
creates a ton of drama     that no one needs. We intend not to use her again 
for help, even if it means taking a cab and using customer service.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [blparent] Pregnancy and food- Helpers pushing beliefs on you


> Can you go to the ward supervisor and bring this to his or her attention?
> If this problem is so common others are talking about it, it should be 
> dealt with.
> Actually, it should be dealt with even if you are the only one 
> experiencing the problem.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Tay Laurie
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:54 AM
> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pregnancy and food- Helpers pushing beliefs on you
>
> IMHO, there is nothing immature about expecting someone to practice what
> they preach. For someone who gave an awful lot of emphasis on being 
> "honest
> in your dealing with your fellow man", selective blindness and lying, I
> would have hoped, weren't in the cards. How is that being immature?
> We did compensate her, by making her dinner. That being said, we didn't
> realise half the stuff on our list she wouldn't/didn't/couldn't help us
> find, because she didn't want to see it there. Her lying was what got me,
> because the next time my husband went, the tea was right where I told him
> and the clerk it would be. I also pointed out to one of our neighbours who
> helps us out alot what happened, and her response was, "Yeah, that happens
> alot around here, and especially in this ward". I'm not saying all LDS are
> bad. My husband and I are both baptised, but after all we've seen, it's 
> hard
> to keep going back. But what I'm trying to say is, when someone helps us,
> their truth should, hopefully, be the concrete truth. He even reached out
> and was able to recognise the box that particular brand of tea came in, 
> but
> couldn't figure out which variety. He asked and she simply said, "I don't
> see it. what are you talking about?". That to me shows a lack of
> understanding and a willingness to lie for your own ends.
> And for someone who placed, as I said, a ton of emphasis on being honest,
> that's inexcusible.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pregnancy and food- Helpers pushing beliefs on you
>
>
>> >PMS-ing are we? There's nothing immature about this.
>> Oh yes there is.  I beg to differ.  Do you really think that people 
>> always
>> tell you "the truth?"  Under the best of circumstances, they tell you
>> their
>> truth.  Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.  You evaluate and use the
>> information as you will.
>>
>> I think we're all making a lot of assumptions here.  None of us know, 
>> and,
>> it's actually none of our business, what was Tay's arrangement with those
>> who were helping her.  I keep seeing the word "job" coming up in this
>> discussion.  It's no one's "job" to help me or anyone else unless they 
>> get
>> compensated for it.
>>
>>>I mean, if we take the attitude you suggest, we should "grow up" when
>> people say we can't raise children simply because we are blind, or we 
>>  >are
>> not qualified for employment, or that we can not care for ourselves.
>> Where did I say that?  I was suggesting taking a mature, reasoned, and
>> yes,
>> perhaps a bit jaded view of "help" which we receive.  Accounting for
>> predictable inaccuracies in what we are told is part of being an adult
>> human
>> being.  Do you believe everything you read online.  It's more or less the
>> same idea -- I believe it's called critical thinking.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter [mailto:bpollpeter at hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:57 PM
>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blparent] Pregnancy and food- Helpers pushing beliefs on you
>>
>> PMS-ing are we? There's nothing immature about this. Just because a 
>> person
>> is assisting in some capacity does not mean my wants and needs are 
>> subject
>> to their approval. If I want a specific product when shopping, it's the
>> assistants "job" to find that product. I mean, if we take the attitude 
>> you
>> suggest, we should "grow up" when people say we can't raise children
>> simply
>> because we are blind, or we are not qualified for employment, or that we
>> can
>> not care for ourselves. When you get down to it, how is this any
>> different?
>> These people are  just helping us, and according to you, we should, 
>> accept
>> them" just because they are helping us. This, by your definition, means 
>> we
>> do not make our rights, wants, needs vocal; we are just accepting said
>> person's beliefs and ideas. Assist means to serve, to help; if we adopt
>> the
>> mindset that we should just do what others suggest, we say it's okay to
>> not
>> treat our needs and wants in an equal manner. If I state what I want to
>> buy,
>> an assistant "helps" me to find that item, not lie about it, not judge,
>> not
>> refuse to find it. Where's the immaturity in this?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Read my blog at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>
>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:57:00 -0500
>> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pregnancy and food- helpers pushing beliefs on
>> you
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>>
>> Interesting... When you accept help, then you accept the person who is
>> helping you.  Grow up and get over it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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