[blparent] Helpers pushing beliefs on you

[Tay Laurie]

Brigitte,
Perhaps I'm a little confused, but who said shut up and grow up? Was it the 
person who I was replying to? Just making sure that I'm not getting 
completely confused.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:33 PM
Subject: [blparent] Helpers pushing beliefs on you


> At the risk of stepping into ridiculous territory for a moment, I will
> point out that saying, "Shut up and grow up," is not only rude but
> immature as well.
>
> Having said that, some people can be trusted while others are not trust
> worthy at all. However, in context of this thread, we are addressing
> assistance for finding items when shopping. It should not take great
> trust and dependability in people to find products at a store.
> Regardless of who assists me-- employee, friend, neighbor, family
> member-- it shouldn't require great trust from me to know they are
> helping as best they can in locating and retrieving products whether it
> be groceries, clothes or other items. We are not talking about some
> great complex issue here, so it's in no way immature, silly or crazy to
> expect those assisting us to "tell the truth" in locating products.
>
> If you prescribe to a religion, or way of life, that follows certain
> dietary guides, but I do not, it's not your job to "convert" me or
> "save" me by lying  about finding said food items. You can speak to me,
> explaining your beliefs, providing information so I can make my own
> informed decision, but it's not your job to deny me my request because
> you find it wrong for any reason. And what chance do you have of
> converting me by lying? Most religions place great emphasis on the
> truth, whether it be relative or not; truth is important to most and a
> universal thread connecting many world-religions. So when you adhere to
> a religion known for it's emphasis on the truth, and then you lie, it
> does not make that religion appear great; even if it's just one person,
> we all know a handful of people can influence the view on an entire
> group.
>
> This is an extreme situation, I think, though many of us have
> experienced something similar when it comes to our blindness and what
> others perceive is info we need or don't need, but in general, in my
> experience, most people assisting me do their best to help. And like
> mentioned in another post, I assist others who do the same for me. I
> always offer gas money to people helping and driving; I will treat to a
> nice dinner at times; I offer to help with home and/or lawn projects; I
> baby-sit for others free of charge. Blindness does not entitle us to
> help, nor does it excuse us from helping. And on the flip side, people
> helping us must understand what, why and when we need help, and it's not
> up to them to decide what info we be privy to, or what products we
> should purchase.
>
> To make this such a big deal seems immature to me especially when the
> initial topic is about selecting hot beverages. None of us have to
> accept help from those not willing to truly help us, but to assume we
> can't trust anyone to tell the truth when grocery shopping seems a bit
> ludicrous. Oh us poor blind people. I guess we just have to go through
> life existing on the benevolence of others and not ever being able to
> trust these people though. Really?
>
> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Read my blog at:
> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:54:28 -0700
> From: "Tay Laurie" <j.t.laurie at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pregnancy and food- Helpers pushing beliefs on
> you
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> IMHO, there is nothing immature about expecting someone to practice what
>
> they preach. For someone who gave an awful lot of emphasis on being
> "honest
> in your dealing with your fellow man", selective blindness and lying, I
> would have hoped, weren't in the cards. How is that being immature?
> We did compensate her, by making her dinner. That being said, we didn't
> realise half the stuff on our list she wouldn't/didn't/couldn't help us
> find, because she didn't want to see it there. Her lying was what got
> me,
> because the next time my husband went, the tea was right where I told
> him
> and the clerk it would be. I also pointed out to one of our neighbours
> who
> helps us out alot what happened, and her response was, "Yeah, that
> happens
> alot around here, and especially in this ward". I'm not saying all LDS
> are
> bad. My husband and I are both baptised, but after all we've seen, it's
> hard
> to keep going back. But what I'm trying to say is, when someone helps
> us,
> their truth should, hopefully, be the concrete truth. He even reached
> out
> and was able to recognise the box that particular brand of tea came in,
> but
> couldn't figure out which variety. He asked and she simply said, "I
> don't
> see it. what are you talking about?". That to me shows a lack of
> understanding and a willingness to lie for your own ends.
> And for someone who placed, as I said, a ton of emphasis on being
> honest,
> that's inexcusible.
>
>
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