[blparent] Pass the butter please!
Erin Rumer
erinrumer at gmail.com
Mon May 21 03:17:40 UTC 2012
Hello Dave,
I totally understand that some topics can be completely unrelated to
parenting or blindness related parenting but I didn't think that talking
about the nutritional value of butter and margarine for ourselves and kids
was an out of control topic, but okay. If this list is going to be limited
to only blindness related parenting topics then it looks like most
discussions will have to be brought to a halt because we've been talking
about a lot of interesting and helpful topics that don't necessarily have to
do with our blindness such as healthy recipes for our kids, all different
types of helpful baby products and appropriate music for children just to
name a few. If every single thread is going to have to be directly link to
blindness in some way than that's fine but I'll be turning to this list a
lot less since only a small percentage of my life is related to my blindness
and I'll need to turn to other parents on other list serves for compelling
discussions on a variety of great parenting topics. It will be a bummer
though because we all have so much to offer to one another that has to do
with parenting and is not related to our being blind. I always thought that
it was really nice to be able and just talk "normal" parenting chat with
others who are blind and realize that we go through the same things that
sighted parents go through. It is what it is and I guess there will just be
a lot less threads on this list or you will have your work cut-out for
yourself with proof-reading.
Erin
-----Original Message-----
From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:13 PM
To: Blind Parents Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
Erin:
I think that, over the years, Debbie and I and now Steve have tried to allow
for great latitude concerning what is appropriate for this list. Yes, you
can't divorce blindness from many other things. However, on the other hand,
long drawn discussions pro or con about topics like innoculations, or breast
feeding would not be appropriate for this list. Do these topics come up,
yes they both have and many others. Some discussion is fine, but this is
not an anything goes discussion list.
One of the things that an average list member would not be aware of is who
comes and who goes, that is unsubscribes from the list, and when. I have
done this for well over 20 years and experience has taught me that if a list
doesn't have some guidelines and restraints, it becomes chaotic, and people
leave.
Ultimately, there needs to be some tie in to blindness. Some off topic
discussion happens and is fine, but we will speak out if and when things get
out of hand.
At the risk of sounding like a dictator, or a jerk, this is not up for
debate. I have run our lists this way since 1991 with our first dial-up
bulletinboard system and it has worked.
I am sure there are many lists for discussion of general parenting concerns.
This one is for blind parents to discuss parenting from a blindness
perspective.
Hope that makes sense and isn't too rambling!
Dave
\\At 08:54 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:
>I don't understand! I thought this list was for blind parents talking
>about topics of parenting whether it directly relates to our blindness
>or not. If we only talked about things that our blindness is related
>to, then our discussions would be quite limited as parents. My
>blindness is a part of who I am and not all of what I am. It would be
>pretty shallow of us to only discuss things that are connected to our
>blindness because that would leave out lots about who we are as people in
addition to who we are as parents.
>
>Erin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of Gabe Vega
>Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:41 PM
>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>
>I thought about saying something but the last time I tried suggesting
>something was off topic, I was condemmed to 9 slashing with a spiked whip.
>
>On May 19, 2012, at 1:04 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
> > Come on everybody, you clearly know this is off topic -- so why do
> > you do
>it. Unless the margarine is blind it isn't for discussion here.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 06:08 PM 5/17/2012, you wrote:
> >> So there are different types of Margarine but just one kind made in
> >> this way is enough to watch-out for the product and be more on the
> >> defense when purchasing such altered and man-made food items. I
> >> wasn't sending this out to everyone as gospel that we should hurry
> >> up and send out to everyone we know, but I merely found it
> >> interesting and thought how it's good to educate ourselves on how
> >> disgusting some of the "food" items are that companies expect us to
> >> eat which we do as a whole because we're too trusting. Just
> >> because something's being sold in a grocery store here in America
> >> doesn't mean we should eat it and if we base our purchases upon
> >> that state of mind, then we're in trouble. I truly and firmly
> >> believe that obesity is on the rise, not just because of people's
> >> poor eating habits and lack of exercise but it's also largely based
> >> on what's put into our foods and how things are processed and-or
> >> manufactured. The bottom line is that the more natural and less
> >> processed we get our foods the better and that's the only message I
> >> was sharing here. Of course there are a million different studies
> >> out there warning us against this and that,
>but have we ever seen a study that says that margarine is good for us?
>Just a thought.
> >>
> >> Erin
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega Via
> >> Iphone4S
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:34 PM
> >> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
> >> Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
> >>
> >> I like your line of thinking sir. Thank you for this well-written
>response.
> >> I knew that something being sold every day to everybody for years
> >> cannot be that bad and on the brink of killing us all.
> >>
> >> Gabe Vega
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> (623) 565-9357
> >>
> >> On May 17, 2012, at 12:24 PM, "Michael Baldwin"
> >> <mbaldwin at gpcom.net>
>wrote:
> >>
> >> > yeah real old, do a little more reading. It is kind of true, but
> >> > it depends on what margarine your looking at.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/butter-vs-margarine/AN00835
> >> >
> >> >
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/prevention/askdietician/margarine.
> >> > aspx
> >> >
> >> > http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp
> >> >
> >> > I really like the part about being one molecule away from being
>plastic.
> >> > Even a very slight change in the molecular structure of a
> >> > substance can make a huge difference. o2 is the oxygen we need
> >> > for life, but
> >> > o3 is ozone, which is considered poisonous. You going to stop
> >> > breathing because the oxygen you need to survive is 1 molecule
> >> > away
>from a poison?
> >> >
> >> > Some would argue that all products containing vegetable oil are
> >> > bad for you, and you should only use lard and tallow for cooking.
> >> >
> >> > No matter what you decide to eat someone is going to come up with
> >> > some research that says it is bad for you.
> >> >
> >> > now if you want to be careful of something, watch out for
> >> > dihydrogen monoxide.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
> >> >
> >> > Michael
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> > On Behalf Of Erin Rumer
> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:33 PM
> >> > To: NFB blind parent listserv
> >> > Subject: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
> >> >
> >> > Hello list,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is some interesting and amazing facts about margarine and
> >> > butter that I thought you'd all like to read since we're always
> >> > concerned about putting the right things in our children's mouths
> >> > as well as our
> >> own.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Enjoy,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Erin
> >> >
> >> > Margarine was originally manufactured to fatten turkeys. When it
> >> > killed the turkeys, the people who had put all the money into the
> >> > research wanted a payback so they put their heads together to
> >> > figure out what to do with this product to get their money back.
> >> > It was a white substance with no food appeal so they added the
> >> > yellow colouring and sold it to people to use in place of butter.
> >> > How do you like it? They have come out with some clever new
>flavourings....
> >> >
> >> > DO YOU KNOW.. The difference between margarine and butter?
> >> >
> >> > Read on to the end...gets very interesting!
> >> >
> >> > Both have the same amount of calories.
> >> > Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams;
> >> > compared to
> >> > 5 grams for margarine.
> >> >
> >> > Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over
> >> > eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent Harvard
> >> > Medical
> >> Study.
> >> >
> >> > Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in
> >> > other foods.
> >> > Butter has many nutritional benefits where margarine has a few
> >> > and only because they are added!
> >> >
> >> > Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the
> >> > flavours of other foods
> >> >
> >> > Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been
> >> > around for less than 100 years.
> >> > And now, for Margarine.
> >> >
> >> > Very High in Trans fatty acids.
> >> >
> >> > Triples risk of coronary heart disease ...
> >> >
> >> > Increases total cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad cholesterol)
> >> > and lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol)
> >> >
> >> > Increases the risk of cancers up to five times..
> >> >
> >> > Lowers quality of breast milk
> >> >
> >> > Decreases immune response.
> >> >
> >> > Decreases insulin response.
> >> >
> >> > And here's the most disturbing fact... HERE IS THE PART THAT IS
> >> > VERY INTERESTING!
> >> >
> >> > Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC... And
> >> > shares
> >> > 27 ingredients withPAINT These facts alone were enough to have me
> >> > avoiding margarine for life and anything else that is
> >> > hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is added, changing the
> >> > molecular structure of the
> >> substance).
> >> > Open a tub of margarine and leave it open in your garage or
> >> > shaded
>area.
> >> > Within a couple of days you will notice a couple of things:
> >> >
> >> > * no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it
> >> > (that should tell you something)
> >> >
> >> > * it does not rot or smell differently because it has no
> >> > nutritional value ; nothing will grow on it. Even those teeny
> >> > weeny microorganisms will not find a home to grow. Why? Because
> >> > it is nearly
>plastic .
> >> > Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast?
> >
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