[blparent] Pass the butter please! (strange foods, warning: slightly gross)
Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
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Mon May 21 16:08:10 UTC 2012
I find it disrespectful, and insulting, that you will have still not closes topic. Not one, but two moderators have come onto this topic and Asyut close it. But for some reason you all feel either entitled, or using your blindness as an excuse to keep this topic going. He has been asked to closed and for some reason you all still keep going on and on about a topic that has nothing to do what blindness in relation to parenting. Why can't you all just be respectful and closest topic
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On May 21, 2012, at 9:03 AM, "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Most kids have a tendency to say "no thank you" to food they haven't even
> given a chance and that was just the idea behind what my parents were trying
> to do. If there was something that was just down right gross like when we
> went to a friend of our grandma's and bloody chicken meet was placed in
> front of us, we had a code with our family where my parents new that it was
> just too much for us and they would help us graciously deny the food. I
> never once remember being stuck eating something I absolutely hated and it
> gave me a chance to try all kinds of interesting foods, especially from
> different cultures.
>
> Erin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:48 AM
> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please! (strange foods, warning:
> slightly gross)
>
> Why?
> Saying "no thank you" is perfectly fine. Rudeness is never okay but a simple
> "no thank you" is fine.
> It isn't up to you to pass judgement on what I will and won't eat. For
> example, I don't much like mashed potatos. Their texture grosses me out. If
> I'm offered them, I'll politely say no. If someone puts them on my plate
> anyway, I'll ignore them. If the host asks why, I'll be honest and explain
> that it isn't anything they did, it's all me.
> Why does a simple "no thank you" concern you?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Erin Rumer
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:47 PM
> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please! (strange foods, warning:
> slightly gross)
>
> I kind of like your mom's approach with new foods and I'll have to tuck that
> away in my parental tool box for the future with my son.
>
> Yes, brains is out for me and I don't know about cow stomach but I would
> like to try alligator, rabbit and maybe squirrel if it's cooked right. I do
> love that about my sister's kids who are now 11 and 12 because they've tried
> all kinds of odd foods and are willing to eat just about anything even if
> they don't like it which is important when a guest at someone's home. That
> was always a major rule for us kids growing up in that you could politely
> tell mom and dad what you really feel about a food when you're at home but
> out of courtesy you never, ever, ever make a rood comment when eating as a
> guest at someone's home. We didn't have to be dishonest and say we liked
> something if we were asked by the host, but we were expected to graciously
> except everything put in front of us. I strongly feel that this rule help
> me out tremendously as an adult when eating at people's homes as well as at
> conferences and such. I find it pretty pathetic when I've been at events
> like conventions or even in class getting a new guide dog and certain folks
> around me are making a rood scene about what they will and will not eat,
> just like a bratty little kid.
>
> As an adult I've made a point to force myself to eat the things I don't
> necessarily enjoy but know are good for me and I've been pleasantly
> surprised that after a few times my tastes often times change and I'm
> enjoying the food item I before didn't.
>
> Erin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:09 AM
> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please! (strange foods, warning:
> slightly gross)
>
> I can't drink liquids that might have sediment in the bottom. Even the
> thought makes me gag, which is a shame because hot cocoa and chocolate milk
> are definitely out. It's for the same reason that your mom can't do it,
> except mine was having to drink those Carnation instant breakfast shakes
> with the chocolate all settled to the bottom. I was so sick during the
> beginning of my pregnancy that my doctor wanted me to drink Ensure or Boost
> shakes, and even though they're completely mixed with no sediments, just
> their texture and flavor made me think of chocolate milk, and I couldn't
> keep them down. I finally quit trying because they would just come right
> back up anyway.
>
> As for trying new foods, my mom had a rule that if there was a new food on
> the table and you said yuck or made a negative comment about it, you had to
> eat a whole serving of it. But if you tried it first before you said
> anything, and you didn't like it, you only had to eat three bites. I think
> that rule was something she got from her own mother. I can't say I'm
> exceptionally adventurous with new foods, but I'll generally at least give
> everything a taste.
>
> When my mom and dad were newly married, he took her to meet the branch of
> his family that still lives in New Mexico. Brains and eggs, which is a
> fairly common breakfast meal down there I guess, was on the menu their first
> morning. My mom turned green and left the table, and it was kind of a shame
> because she and my dad never made another visit down there. I've never had
> that breakfast, or kidney pie either, thank God. And now that my
> grandparents are gone, when we make menudo, we use just plain pork instead
> of tripe, which is made from cow's stomach. I've had that, and it doesn't
> taste bad, but the texture is too chewy for me.
>
> Jo Elizabeth
>
> "How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young,
> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of
> the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of
> these."--George Washington Carver, 1864-1943, American scientist
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:12 AM
> To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>
>> Wow, that turkey sounds pretty bad, but like you said, maybe good if
>> one is starving. My mom was so bothered by her powdered milk
>> experience that to this day she can't finish the bottom of a glass of
>> milk because that's where the sediment would always be when she was a
>> kid drinking powdered milk.
>> We
>> always teased her for it but it was a psychological thing. Sometimes
>> we'd cheer my mom on to get her to finish her glass of milk but it was
>> painful for her to do and nearly made her gag even though it was
>> regular
> milk.
>> It's
>> amazing how things like that can stay with us for life. It's like my
>> grandpa who was forced to eat kidney pie with a white cream sauce as a
>> kid and to this day he won't touch anything with a white sauce. I'm
>> so glad my parents never forced things like that on us but rather
>> explained the importance of eating healthy things in a rational way
>> and told us to always at least give everything a try. We were never
>> picky eaters and to this day I love trying new things. My parents had
>> a rule where once a year around the new year we could choose one thing
>> that our parents wouldn't even ask us to eat. Mine was cooked
>> broccoli for nearly my whole childhood because it had such a rank
>> taste to me. I'm so glad my parents allowed me to do that because now
>> that I'm an adult and wasn't forced into eating cooked broccoli, I
>> don't find it so bad and will eat it, especially in a good sauce or
>> mixed into a dish with lots of other things.
>>
>> Erin
>>
>> Erin
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:10 PM
>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>
>> I can remember drinking my share of powdered milk when the month
>> outlasted the money. Mostly that happened when I was really little,
>> because by the time I went to school, my dad had worked his way up in
>> the construction company, and times weren't so lean. Gerald was
>> telling me just the other night how his mom would make half a jug of
>> powdered milk and then mix that with half a jug of regular milk, and
>> he said when it was done that way, you couldn't really tell the
>> difference. They did that all the time he was growing up. I didn't
>> mind the taste of powdered milk, but I can't stand to drink any liquid
>> that might have the remote possibility of chunks in it, so powdered
>> milk is out for me now as an adult.
>>
>> I've never had powdered eggs, but the grossest thing I've ever seen
>> was gelified turkey that came in a big fat tube like you would usually
>> squeeze lotion out of. You squeezed globs of this stuff out into a
>> pan, sort of a consistency that was a cross between Vaseline and
>> toothpaste, and then as it cooked it sort of solidified to resemble
>> turkey medallions. It tasted like turkey, but it had a texture when
>> cooked that was hard to describe. Sort of like biting into a pear
>> that's going soft, except without the juice, and turkey-flavored. It
>> was one of those military meals that you're supposed to eat out in the
>> bush somewhere, so if you were in battle or harsh conditions and
>> really hungry, maybe the turkey would end up tasting pretty good.
>>
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> "How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young,
>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and
>> tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will
>> have been all of these."--George Washington Carver, 1864-1943,
>> American scientist
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:32 PM
>> To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>
>>> That's funny because my grandma told me the same story about how
>>> margarine used to come and they'd have to mix it. My mom said that
>>> she grew up on mostly margarine because it cost a lot less than real
>>> butter but that she always hated the flavor. I grew-up on real
>>> butter and any time I'd visit my grandma she'd always make us this
>>> yummy bread she'd call Happiness bread which was pretty much a raisin
>>> toast with some tasty spices in it. Well, she'd smother our toast
>>> with margarine and I'd always have to grin and bear it even though it
>>> made me gag. I think my sister and I finally got the guts to kindly
>>> break the news to grandma that we disliked margarine and she began
>>> putting cheese on our toast which didn't go with raisin bread but we
>>> were thrilled to take it over margarine. I guess you just get used
>>> to what you grow-up with but sometimes like in my mom's case you
>>> grow-up hating something and swear your kids won't have to endure the
>>> same torture you did.
>>> SMILING Powdered milk was one of those other things my mom grew-up
>>> with and hated and I thank God she didn't subject us to that stuff.
>>> I had to drink powdered milk at a friend's house once at a sleep over
>>> and it took everything in me not to lose my cookies because it was
>>> also complimented with powdered eggs. YUMM LOL
>>>
>>> Erin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:44 PM
>>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>
>>> I grew up on margarine and actually prefer it over butter for taste.
>>> My grandma used to tell about how margarine became popular during
>>> World War II because butter was tightly rationed. She said the
>>> margarine would come in a white block that she described as very
>>> ugly, and with it a packet of yellow coloring. She said you had to
>>> mix the yellow color into the margarine, and mix and mix and mix, and
>>> eventually it would be all yellow, supposedly like butter, but she
>>> told me the coloring didn't enhance the appearance of the margarine a
>>> whole lot. I remember her telling me the margarine story years ago
>>> when she had baked some cookies that I thought were delicious, but
>>> she didn't like the way they looked because the mint candy that she
>>> had put in the middle of each one had melted all over the top instead
>>> of staying nice and round and pretty. She said she thought maybe
>>> sighted people fussed too much. Those cookies tasted just fine to
>>> me, sloppy-looking or not, and I've always remembered her telling me
>>> about ugly white margarine. She always baked with Crisco or butter,
>>> and my other grandma, who was Spanish, swore by lard.
>>>
>>> All done rambling, I guess, but I've been proofreading an insurance
>>> manual in Spanish since nine o'clock this morning and I had to come
>>> up for
>> air!
>>>
>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>
>>> "How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young,
>>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and
>>> tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you
>>> will have been all of these."--George Washington Carver, 1864-1943,
>>> American scientist
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:13 PM
>>> To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>
>>>> Yep, I was just sharing the information with the list as food for
>>>> thought, no pun intended. GRIN
>>>>
>>>> Erin
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:09 PM
>>>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>>
>>>> What I take away from the post and discussion is that butter isn't
>>>> necessarily good for you, but margarine is probably not dangerous,
>>>> either.
>>>> All things in moderation.
>>>>
>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>> "How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young,
>>>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and
>>>> tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you
>>>> will have been all of these."--George Washington Carver, 1864-1943,
>>>> American scientist
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:08 PM
>>>> To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>>
>>>>> So there are different types of Margarine but just one kind made in
>>>>> this way is enough to watch-out for the product and be more on the
>>>>> defense when purchasing such altered and man-made food items. I
>>>>> wasn't sending this out to everyone as gospel that we should hurry
>>>>> up and send out to everyone we know, but I merely found it
>>>>> interesting and thought how it's good to educate ourselves on how
>>>>> disgusting some of the "food" items are that companies expect us to
>>>>> eat which we do as a whole because we're too trusting. Just
>>>>> because something's being sold in a grocery store here in America
>>>>> doesn't mean we should eat it and if we base our purchases upon
>>>>> that state of mind, then we're in trouble. I truly and firmly
>>>>> believe that obesity is on the rise, not just because of people's
>>>>> poor eating habits and lack of exercise but it's also largely based
>>>>> on what's put into our foods and how things are processed and-or
> manufactured.
>>>>> The bottom line is that the more natural and less processed we get
>>>>> our foods the better and that's the only message I was sharing here.
>>>>> Of course there are a million different studies out there warning
>>>>> us against this and that, but have we ever seen a study that says
>>>>> that margarine is good for us? Just a thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> Erin
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:34 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>>>
>>>>> I like your line of thinking sir. Thank you for this well-written
>>>>> response.
>>>>> I knew that something being sold every day to everybody for years
>>>>> cannot be that bad and on the brink of killing us all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gabe Vega
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> (623) 565-9357
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2012, at 12:24 PM, "Michael Baldwin"
>>>>> <mbaldwin at gpcom.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yeah real old, do a little more reading. It is kind of true, but
>>>>>> it depends on what margarine your looking at.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/butter-vs-margarine/AN00835
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/prevention/askdietician/margarine.
>>>>>> aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really like the part about being one molecule away from being
>>>>>> plastic.
>>>>>> Even a very slight change in the molecular structure of a
>>>>>> substance can make a huge difference. o2 is the oxygen we need for
>>>>>> life, but
>>>>>> o3 is ozone, which is considered poisonous. You going to stop
>>>>>> breathing because the oxygen you need to survive is 1 molecule
>>>>>> away from
>>> a poison?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some would argue that all products containing vegetable oil are
>>>>>> bad for you, and you should only use lard and tallow for cooking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No matter what you decide to eat someone is going to come up with
>>>>>> some research that says it is bad for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now if you want to be careful of something, watch out for
>>>>>> dihydrogen monoxide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Erin Rumer
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:33 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB blind parent listserv
>>>>>> Subject: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is some interesting and amazing facts about margarine and
>>>>>> butter that I thought you'd all like to read since we're always
>>>>>> concerned about putting the right things in our children's mouths
>>>>>> as well as our
>>>>> own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enjoy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Margarine was originally manufactured to fatten turkeys. When it
>>>>>> killed the turkeys, the people who had put all the money into the
>>>>>> research wanted a payback so they put their heads together to
>>>>>> figure out what to do with this product to get their money back.
>>>>>> It was a white substance with no food appeal so they added the
>>>>>> yellow colouring and sold it to people to use in place of butter.
>>>>>> How do you like it? They have come out with some clever new
>>> flavourings....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DO YOU KNOW.. The difference between margarine and butter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read on to the end...gets very interesting!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both have the same amount of calories.
>>>>>> Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams; compared
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 5 grams for margarine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over
>>>>>> eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent Harvard
>>>>>> Medical
>>>>> Study.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in
>>>>>> other foods.
>>>>>> Butter has many nutritional benefits where margarine has a few and
>>>>>> only because they are added!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the
>>>>>> flavours of other foods
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been
>>>>>> around for less than 100 years.
>>>>>> And now, for Margarine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very High in Trans fatty acids.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Triples risk of coronary heart disease ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Increases total cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad cholesterol)
>>>>>> and lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Increases the risk of cancers up to five times..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lowers quality of breast milk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Decreases immune response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Decreases insulin response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here's the most disturbing fact... HERE IS THE PART THAT IS
>>>>>> VERY INTERESTING!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC... And
>>>>>> shares
>>>>>> 27 ingredients withPAINT These facts alone were enough to have me
>>>>>> avoiding margarine for life and anything else that is hydrogenated
>>>>>> (this means hydrogen is added, changing the molecular structure of
>>>>>> the
>>>>> substance).
>>>>>> Open a tub of margarine and leave it open in your garage or shaded
>>>>>> area.
>>>>>> Within a couple of days you will notice a couple of things:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it (that
>>>>>> should tell you something)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * it does not rot or smell differently because it has no
>>>>>> nutritional value ; nothing will grow on it. Even those teeny
>>>>>> weeny microorganisms will not find a home to grow. Why? Because it
>>>>>> is nearly
>>>> plastic .
>>>>>> Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Share This With Your Friends.....(If you want to butter them up')!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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