[blparent] Pass the butter please or perhaps not!

Veronica Smith madison_tewe at spinn.net
Mon May 21 22:37:50 UTC 2012 

But I wanted to know how blind parents make lunches for their children.

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From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of sharon howerton
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:26 PM
To: Blind Parents Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please or perhaps not!

Add peanutbutter to that list. Be done with it already.
Sharon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please or perhaps not!


> Erin,
>
> The intent here isn't to cause anyone to be scared.  We just need to try 
> to stick to issues that more
> directly deal with blind parenting so they don't get lost in the mix.  We 
> have never jumped on anyone
> for one off topic message, especially if the topic was one that may not 
> clearly be off topic at the
> outset.  It isn't always possible to know if something is going to be off 
> topic or not by the content of
> the first post.  Dave's message regarding this thread came after perhaps 
> two dozen posts from various
> people.  We've had maybe another dozen or more posts after he gently asked

> people to abandon this
> thread.  What made this thread stand out was the volume of messages, the 
> ignoring by a number of people
> of Dave's request to stop, and now, even my appeal for people to stop. 
> This isn't meant to single out
> anyone, this is just a thread that has gone particularly crazy.  I don't 
> intend on making snap
> judgements about topics any more than Debbie did, but our purpose is to 
> help blind parents and that has
> been completely lost in this thread.  Particularly when my kids were 
> small, there was likely something
> that came up for me everyday that had to do with being a blind parent 
> where I either could have used
> help or I made a discovery that I hoped was worth sharing.  It is just 
> hard for me to imagine that there
> isn't plenty to talk about along these lines, and that there is really a 
> problem finding things to
> discuss that we could all agree were also on topic.  I am sorry if 
> anything here sounds harsh, it is not
> meant to be, and things can come across differently in e-mail than was 
> intended.
>
> I would say that if one wonders if a given subject is off topic or if one 
> has to dig to find a way to
> make a subject  on topic, it probably is off topic.  I don't expect that 
> people should have to ask list
> moderators for permission to bring up something, just use common sense, 
> we're adults afterall.  I am
> glad to try to discuss it some off list, though, if it is necessary, but 
> will try not to take up more
> list space on this..
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 09:22:33 -0700, Erin Rumer wrote:
>
>>Steve, I do understand what you're saying and agree, especially when 
>>threads
>>spiral into all sorts of directions from the original intent.  It starts 
>>out
>>fun but then someone starts to argue with others over how to do things 
>>like
>>denying foods at someone's home and it goes down-hill from there.  I have 
>>to
>>say that I'm a bit anxious about what is alright to post on this list and
>>not.  There is so much that is brought up that has nothing to do with
>>parenting as a blind parent and I just want to know if all of those 
>>threads
>>are going to be stopped?  Right now we have several going on and my butter
>>vs. margarine thread is the only one being called out on the carpet even
>>though my intent was to share nutritional facts of certain foods for the
>>health of our kids.  I am totally fine with sticking to blind parent 
>>related
>>topics and turning to other lists for other parenting topics since that 
>>was
>>the whole intent of this list but I'd just hate to see a continuation of a
>>million off-topic threads come up that are not being brought to a halt and
>>I'm scared to take part  of in fear of being accused of veering from the
>>intent of the list.  If this happens, I will feel like I can't participate
>>in nearly 75% of what's put on this list.  I hope this makes sense.
>
>>Thanks,
>
>>Erin
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:16 AM
>>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please or perhaps not!
>
>>Erin and everyone,
>
>>First, thank you for your previous note last night.  As mentioned, I have
>>been on this list since it started, but as my kids have gotten older, I've
>>had less to say or ask, but am definitely not new to this list at all.
>>Issues surrounding being a blind parent present particular challenges, and

>>I
>>feel it is extremely important to have as many people here to answer
>>questions as is possible.  Sometimes people who have nothing in common in
>>terms of religion or political affilliation will completely agree on an
>>approach to a problem as a blind parent.
>
>>Since Dave and I have worked together on lists for years with my role 
>>being
>>backup occasionally, we kind of know how the other thinks so I feel 
>>somewhat
>>able to respond to your note even though it was addressed to Dave.  This
>>just doesn't have to be an either/or situation where we have strict topics
>>or no restrictions at all.  This list does not have to become an 
>>unfriendly
>>place to go, either.  However, when did this "butter" subject start? 
>>There
>>have probably been two dozen messages or maybe even more, and now we are
>>debating whether it is appropriate to decline unusual foods when at
>>someone's house.
>>There have probably been ten posts after Dave asked that we cut this off.
>>What will happen is that someone will eventually offend someone else over
>>something that has nothing to do with being a blind parent and we'll loose
>>yet additional resources over whether one should be able to say "no 
>>thanks"
>>when asked to eat alligator.  This works against the reason for this list.
>>We can make this work, but we all have to help.  Let's please put this
>>entire thread to rest.
>
>>Best regards,
>
>>Steve Jacobson
>
>>On Sun, 20 May 2012 20:17:40 -0700, Erin Rumer wrote:
>
>>>Hello Dave,
>
>>>I totally understand that some topics can be completely unrelated to
>>>parenting or blindness related parenting but I didn't think that
>>>talking about the nutritional value of butter and margarine for
>>>ourselves and kids was an out of control topic, but okay.  If this list
>>>is going to be limited to only blindness related parenting topics then
>>>it looks like most discussions will have to be brought to a halt
>>>because we've been talking about a lot of interesting and helpful
>>>topics that don't necessarily have to do with our blindness such as
>>>healthy recipes for our kids, all different types of helpful baby
>>>products and appropriate music for children just to name a few.  If
>>>every single thread is going to have to be directly link to blindness
>>>in some way than that's fine but I'll be turning to this list a lot
>>>less since only a small percentage of my life is related to my
>>>blindness and I'll need to turn to other parents on other list serves
>>>for compelling discussions on a variety of great parenting topics.  It
>>>will be a bummer though because we all have so much to offer to one
>>>another that has to do with parenting and is not related to our being
>>>blind.  I always thought that it was really nice to be able and just
>>>talk "normal" parenting chat with others who are blind and realize that
>>>we go through the same things that sighted parents go through.  It is
>>>what it is and I guess there will just be a lot less threads on this list
>>or you will have your work cut-out for yourself with proof-reading.
>
>>>Erin
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>On Behalf Of David Andrews
>>>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:13 PM
>>>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>
>>>Erin:
>
>>>I think that, over the years, Debbie and I and now Steve have tried to
>>>allow for great latitude concerning what is appropriate for this list.
>>>Yes, you can't divorce blindness from many other things.  However, on
>>>the other hand, long drawn discussions pro or con about topics like
>>>innoculations, or breast feeding would not be appropriate for this
>>>list.  Do these topics come up, yes they both have and many others.
>>>Some discussion is fine, but this is not an anything goes discussion 
>>>list.
>
>>>One of the things that an average list member would not be aware of is
>>>who comes and who goes, that is unsubscribes from the list, and when.
>>>I have done this for well over 20 years and experience has taught me
>>>that if a list doesn't have some guidelines and restraints, it becomes
>>>chaotic, and people leave.
>
>>>Ultimately, there needs to be some tie in to blindness.  Some off topic
>>>discussion happens and is fine, but we will speak out if and when
>>>things get out of hand.
>
>>>At the risk of sounding like a dictator, or a jerk, this is not up for
>>>debate.  I have run our lists this way since 1991 with our first
>>>dial-up bulletinboard system and it has worked.
>
>>>I am sure there are many lists for discussion of general parenting
>>concerns.
>>>This one is for blind parents to discuss parenting from a blindness
>>>perspective.
>
>>>Hope that makes sense and isn't too rambling!
>
>>>Dave
>
>>>\\At 08:54 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:
>>>>I don't understand!  I thought this list was for blind parents talking
>>>>about topics of parenting whether it directly relates to our blindness
>>>>or not.  If we only talked about things that our blindness is related
>>>>to, then our discussions would be quite limited as parents.  My
>>>>blindness is a part of who I am and not all of what I am.  It would be
>>>>pretty shallow of us to only discuss things that are connected to our
>>>>blindness because that would leave out lots about who we are as people
>>>>in
>>>addition to who we are as parents.
>>>>
>>>>Erin
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On Behalf Of Gabe Vega
>>>>Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:41 PM
>>>>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>>
>>>>I thought about saying something but the last time I tried suggesting
>>>>something was off topic, I was condemmed to 9 slashing with a spiked 
>>>>whip.
>>>>
>>>>On May 19, 2012, at 1:04 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Come on everybody, you clearly know this is off topic -- so why do
>>>> > you do
>>>>it.  Unless the margarine is blind it isn't for discussion here.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dave
>>>> >
>>>> > At 06:08 PM 5/17/2012, you wrote:
>>>> >> So there are different types of Margarine but just one kind made
>>>> >> in this way is enough to watch-out for the product and be more on
>>>> >> the defense when purchasing such altered and man-made food items.
>>>> >> I wasn't sending this out to everyone as gospel that we should
>>>> >> hurry up and send out to everyone we know, but I merely found it
>>>> >> interesting and thought how it's good to educate ourselves on how
>>>> >> disgusting some of the "food" items are that companies expect us
>>>> >> to eat which we do as a whole because we're too trusting.  Just
>>>> >> because something's being sold in a grocery store here in America
>>>> >> doesn't mean we should eat it and if we base our purchases upon
>>>> >> that state of mind, then we're in trouble.  I truly and firmly
>>>> >> believe that obesity is on the rise, not just because of people's
>>>> >> poor eating habits and lack of exercise but it's also largely
>>>> >> based on what's put into our foods and how things are processed
>>>> >> and-or manufactured.  The bottom line is that the more natural and
>>>> >> less processed we get our foods the better and that's the only
>>>> >> message I was sharing here.  Of course there are a million
>>>> >> different studies out there warning us against this and that,
>>>>but have we ever seen a study that says that margarine is good for us?
>>>>Just a thought.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Erin
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega Via
>>>> >> Iphone4S
>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:34 PM
>>>> >> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>> >> Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I like your line of thinking sir. Thank you for this well-written
>>>>response.
>>>> >> I knew that something being sold every day to everybody for years
>>>> >> cannot be that bad and on the brink of killing us all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gabe Vega
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >> (623) 565-9357
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On May 17, 2012, at 12:24 PM, "Michael Baldwin"
>>>> >> <mbaldwin at gpcom.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > yeah real old, do a little more reading. It is kind of true, but
>>>> >> > it depends on what margarine your looking at.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/butter-vs-margarine/AN00835
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/prevention/askdietician/margarine.
>>>> >> > aspx
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I really like the part about being one molecule away from being
>>>>plastic.
>>>> >> > Even a very slight change in the molecular structure of a
>>>> >> > substance can make a huge difference. o2 is the oxygen we need
>>>> >> > for life, but
>>>> >> > o3 is ozone, which is considered poisonous. You going to stop
>>>> >> > breathing because the oxygen you need to survive is 1 molecule
>>>> >> > away
>>>>from a poison?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Some would argue that all products containing vegetable oil are
>>>> >> > bad for you, and you should only use lard and tallow for cooking.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > No matter what you decide to eat someone is going to come up
>>>> >> > with some research that says it is bad for you.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > now if you want to be careful of something, watch out for
>>>> >> > dihydrogen monoxide.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Michael
>>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> >> > On Behalf Of Erin Rumer
>>>> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:33 PM
>>>> >> > To: NFB blind parent listserv
>>>> >> > Subject: [blparent] Pass the butter please!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Hello list,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > This is some interesting and amazing facts about margarine and
>>>> >> > butter that I thought you'd all like to read since we're always
>>>> >> > concerned about putting the right things in our children's
>>>> >> > mouths as well as our
>>>> >> own.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Enjoy,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Erin
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Margarine was originally manufactured to fatten turkeys. When it
>>>> >> > killed the turkeys, the people who had put all the money into
>>>> >> > the research wanted a payback so they put their heads together
>>>> >> > to figure out what to do with this product to get their money 
>>>> >> > back.
>>>> >> > It was a white substance with no food appeal so they added the
>>>> >> > yellow colouring and sold it to people to use in place of butter.
>>>> >> > How do you like it? They have come out with some clever new
>>>>flavourings....
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > DO YOU KNOW.. The difference between margarine and butter?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Read on to the end...gets very interesting!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Both have the same amount of calories.
>>>> >> > Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats  at  8 grams;
>>>> >> > compared to
>>>> >> > 5 grams for margarine.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over
>>>> >> > eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent Harvard
>>>> >> > Medical
>>>> >> Study.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients
>>>> >> > in other foods.
>>>> >> > Butter has many nutritional benefits where margarine has a few
>>>> >> > and only because they are added!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the
>>>> >> > flavours of other foods
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been
>>>> >> > around for less than 100 years.
>>>> >> > And now, for Margarine.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Very High in Trans fatty acids.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Triples risk of coronary heart disease ...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Increases total cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad
>>>> >> > cholesterol) and lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Increases the risk of cancers up to five times..
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Lowers quality of breast milk
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Decreases immune response.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Decreases insulin response.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > And here's the most disturbing fact... HERE IS THE PART THAT IS
>>>> >> > VERY INTERESTING!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC... And
>>>> >> > shares
>>>> >> > 27 ingredients withPAINT These facts alone were enough to have
>>>> >> > me avoiding margarine for life and anything else that is
>>>> >> > hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is added, changing the
>>>> >> > molecular structure of the
>>>> >> substance).
>>>> >> > Open a tub of margarine and leave it open in your garage or
>>>> >> > shaded
>>>>area.
>>>> >> > Within a couple of days you will notice a couple of things:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > * no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it
>>>> >> > (that should tell you something)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > * it does not rot or smell differently because it has no
>>>> >> > nutritional value ; nothing will grow on it. Even those teeny
>>>> >> > weeny microorganisms will not find a home to grow. Why? Because
>>>> >> > it is nearly
>>>>plastic .
>>>> >> > Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast?
>>>> >
>
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