[blparent] when children get hurt

Thu May 31 12:55:02 UTC 2012

        That was my reaction too.
I remember this because I was with my mom and I couldn't find the trash can in the stall. She was like "Beck, take your hand and feel along the right wall". I did and it wasn't there.
When I was out of the stall, I showed it to her because this was something she needed to see. She was absolutely convinced I'd hada brain fart and I was equally determined that I hadn't. So I showed her the stall and she was like "You weren't kidding, do they think women who use this stall don't menstruate?"

There are some fun pictures on the web of bad implementations on construction projects. One is a balcony but no way door so no way to access it.  One is a stairway to nowhere, and there are several others.

-----Original Message-----
From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:31 PM
To: Blind Parents Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blparent] when children get hurt

Sometimes things aren't logically designed.  Like what, are disabled women
not going to use tampons or sanitary pads?  Hello.

My brother swiped a sign once and kept it as an example of stupid designs.
The place told my brother it was ADA compliant because the sign was in
braille.  But it was a printed sign with a picture of the dots, perfectly
smooth, with no tactile usefulness whatsoever.

Jo Elizabeth

"A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a
song."  Maya Angelou

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From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [blparent] when children get hurt

>        Bad design or bad implementation.
> I was once ina rest-room and the handicapt stall did not have a trash can
> for used tampons and the like. All the others did, but not the handicapt
> one.  I can only assume the specs didn't tell the builders to put one in,
> or the builders slacked off.
> The elevator I'm thinking of seemed like the sensor wasn't finding my
> dog's head. I didn't want to actually test it to be sure I was mistaken.
> I'm not saying what I observed is logical, just that it is my experience.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:42 PM
> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blparent] when children get hurt
>
> My guides head was always enough to stop the sensors both with elevaters
> and
> automatic doors. They are set to be low enough for children and people in
> wheelchairs. Why would they only be set for able bodied ambulatory adults
> of
> standard height?
>
> While I never thought of one of mine getting his arm or something caught
> on
> the opening door, I did have little guys who just loved to push buttons.
> Our
> rule is still that we move to the back of the elevator away from the
> buttons. I then allow one lucky child to be the one to push the button. :)
> I
> no longer have to make them actually touch the back wall because they just
> move to the back now.
>
> The funny thing is that after all these years I almost feel a little
> thrill
> myself at getting to be the one to push the button. Of course that ends
> quickly when I discover some of the idiotic ways people label the buttons.
> :)
>
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> Jennifer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM
> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blparent] when children get hurt
>
> Oh how terrible.
> I think the sensors are only positioned so that they "see" an adult human.
> I was always worried my guide dogs would have their heads caught in
> elevators. The doors would begin to close and I just knew they wouldn't
> stop.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Erin Rumer
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:22 PM
> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blparent] when children get hurt
>
> Gosh, we just went through our son getting his hand stuck in the elevator
> door last night and it was horrifying for him and us.  Thankfully, he did
> stop crying after a minute or so and his fingers were just bruised but
> it's
> a miracle that huge metal door didn't bust his hand.  These little guys
> are
> so quick and even though I was right there holding his hand, he through
> his
> other hand out at the last second and there went his hand.  After that, we
> are now playing a game when boarding and unboarding the elevator called,
> "hands on tummies" where my son puts his free hand on his tummy so to
> hopefully prevent this from happening again.
>
> Erin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Lisamaria Martinez
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:10 PM
> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] when children get hurt
>
> Great question. I've wondered the same thing now that Erik is walking,
> running, climbing and totally being a toddler. He falls a lot and crashes
> into things a lot. He has already gotten so many bruises, scrapes, bumps
> and
> marks on his arms, legs, face and head.
>
> Even though he pushes my hands away I try very hard to calm him down and
> tell him that he should get over it. I say it jokingly and try to distract
> him from the pain. I hold him and try to check him out for injuries after
> he
> calms down. I try looking in areas I think he might be hurt based on what
> he
> is doing.
>
> A month or two ago he was at my job and was so excited to be standing up
> in
> the elevator on his own that when the doors opened he rushed out. He put
> his
> forearms on the door, at least I think he did, and as the doors opened he
> got his entire forearm stuck in the door frame of the elevator.
>
> He screamed and cried and I soothed him. He had big fat tears and
> everything. I thought it was his arm, and my coworkers checked out his arm
> after I did and found a little red mark. It wasn't until I got home that
> night and put him to bed that I noticed the last three fingers of his hand
> were puffy and bruised. He didn't seem to have pain anymore and stopped
> crying after a few minutes. so ... the end.
>
> I think the one big thing to remember is that even sighted care givers
> don't
> always know where the hurt is. Joe, and Erik's daycare provider, have both
> seen Erik fall and injure himself and can't always tell what hurts. Or,
> they
> see a bump later and have no clue how he hurt himself.
> Just stay cool and calm. My mom ran a home daycare and I noticed that if
> you
> reacted, the kid would react too.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> On 5/29/12, Ronit Ovadia Mazzoni <rovadia82 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jo Elizabeth,
>> My son is only 13 months old. Your tips are helpful, although I think
>> my son's personality is much more dramatic than your daughter's. :)
>> Even when I know he has not hurt himself badly he will scream and I
>> always calmly tell him he's ok and that it's no big deal, etc etc but
>> it never helps him calm down. We call him a "drama king." :) I think
>> that must be part of my worry, because when he is crying and screaming
>> like crazy, it could be for something very little or for something
>> much more serious and he would react the same.
>> Thanks for your tips.
>> Ronit
>>
>> On May 29, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Jo Elizabeth Pinto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Ronit.  How old is your son?
>>>
>>> One of the things I've done, which has seemed shocking to some people
>>> till I explain it, is that I've discouraged the hysterical crying and
>>> flailing that sometimes happens when a child gets hurt.  I've sat
>>> down with my daughter and held her on my lap so she couldn't flop
>>> around and wave her arms.  Then I've insisted that she take slow,
>>> deep breaths.  I did this even when she was less than two years old,
>>> so that after a while it became almost automatic for her to calm
>>> down.  Then, when she was old enough to talk, if she wasn't bleeding
>>> when I inspected her, I'd always say, "No blood, no foul."  Like in
>>> basketball.  After a while, she started saying it herself. And the
>>> few times that she has been bleeding, she has showed me, and said,
> "There's blood this time, Mommy!"
>>>
>>> A month or two ago, Sarah and I were in Sam's Club with her dad, and
>>> she was standing on the front of the shopping cart.  Yes, yes,
>>> dangerous, I know, we talked about that in another thread.  Anywayy,
>>> she fell, and the cashier and the door greeter gasped, thinking she
>>> was going to start wailing.  She got up, dusted herself off, and said,
> "No blood, no foul."
>>> They were very surprised.
>>>
>>> I think overall, my approach has taught Sarah that hurting herself
>>> isn't something to be terrified of.  Some in my family have
>>> complained that I didn't allow Sarah to express her emotions in the
>>> moment.  Maybe I didn't, but I believe fear feeds fear, and calm
>>> feeds calm.  I figured I needed calm so I could inspect for injuries,
>>> or, as Sarah has gotten older, let her show me where she's hurt.
>>> I've seen other kids who get a small scratch or bump, and scream and
>>> cry like they're being drawn and quartered, and I've been glad I
>>> showed Sarah another way to handle things.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>
>>> "A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it
>>> has a song."  Maya Angelou
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Ronit Ovadia Mazzoni" <rovadia82 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:41 PM
>>> To: "Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [blparent] when children get hurt
>>>
>>>> Hi list,
>>>> I have a question which may seem silly to many of you but I would
>>>> appreciate any tips you may have. Whenever Alex falls down or gets
>>>> hurt somehow and I am not right there to see what happened, I am
>>>> having a hard time knowing how he hurt himself and the severity of
>>>> the injury. I know this will be happening more once he learns to
>>>> walk and I'd love your ideas on how to handle this. Whenever I know
>>>> he has hurt himself, I always inspect as best I can with my hands to
>>>> see
> if I feel any blood.
>>>> Often times, however, he doesn't let me check him out thoroughly
>>>> because he is crying and he pushes my hands away. HE is not old
>>>> enough to tell me what hurts. We had an incident at the park a few
>>>> weeks ago when he cut his lip on a wooden rocking horse and luckily
>>>> my husband was there to help figure out how bad it was and to put
>>>> water on it etc, but I am terrified that he will get more seriously
>>>> hurt when I am by myself and I may not know what he hurt and how bad it
> is. What have you all done?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>> Ronit
>>>>
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