[blparent] Finding ticks on kids nonvisually?

Fri Jul 12 03:48:42 UTC 2013

Great points Gabe. I think it's more about how we project that need and ask
for the assistance we need. There's not being able to do something because
one doesn't have the skills and then there's the point where information is
asked for. It's all in how we project our own confidence. Sometimes we don't
even realize we're projecting fear or lack of being able to do something.
I've really noticed it's totally how one approaches a situation and
different situations will be different for each person. 

Michelle

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I don't think anybody is advocating dependency on sighted people. But don't
be afraid, to admit or to want or need help from a side person when the
situation calls for it. There are many blind people who absolutely refuse
and condemn receiving help from sighted people. That's all I brought this
conversation too was to not be afraid I'm not fear asking for help when
needed by side of person. They could be useful at times

Gabe Vega
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On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
wrote:

> Michelle, sometimes our sighted friends think their way is the best, 
> but we, blind mom and dads, know better.
> I used to think I should ask my sighted neighbors to help with this 
> and that, but as I got more comfortable with doing it  all myself, I 
> didn't as them.
> Of course, reading print, then I do need the help.  
> However, the internet has solved many of those problems I had.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Michelle Creedy
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:45 PM
> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding ticks on kids nonvisually?
> 
> Totally agreed Steve. Of course I'd do the looking first. In no way 
> did I want to suggest that I'd ask someone for information I didn't 
> think I could find. It was merely a thought. I'd probably myself not 
> necessarily bother to ask someone but not knowing the person I was 
> responding to I thought why not just throw all the ideas out there and 
> let them pick. It honestly didn't really occur to me to turn it into a
whole philosophy session.
> 
> Not only am I new at all this but I'm obviously from a very very very 
> different way of thinking so I think I'll just keep to asking very 
> straight-forward questions on the list. Thanks for your comments.
> 
> 
> Michelle
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:00 PM
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> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding ticks on kids nonvisually?
> 
> Michelle,
> 
> Probably in part because I agree wit  her, I don't see where she made 
> any blanket statements.  I think it is very important as blind parents 
> and blind people that we are careful to explore our own capabilities 
> before we assume that a sighted person is automatically more capable 
> than we are to handle a given situation.  While you did not 
> specifically say that this was the case, you did seem to be 
> predisposed in your note to having your friends gather information for 
> you even though you are using that information to make your own 
> decisions.  I would submit that you don't have to be a nurse or even 
> sighted to find a tick on a child.  If one is wondering if they found 
> ticks, I don't see any problem with having a sighted friend verify to help
a new parent build confidence, but to me, this process just isn't aht
mysterious.
> We do share idease on this list, but it's also reasonable to share the 
> pros and the cons of various approaches,.
> 
> As new parents, we are going to lack experience and we will need some
help.
> Some of that help we can get by talking to experts and with friends as 
> well as people here.  Remember, though, that your friends are not 
> necessarily going to know what you are capable of doing, so one has to 
> walk a sort of fine line of using there expertise as a way to learn 
> what you can do rather than as a factor that might limit what you 
> believe you can do.  For example, if you had a friend you feel you 
> could count on for help and you had a child in a day camp, my 
> suggestion would be to check for ticks yourself, and if you didn't 
> feel confident have your friend check as well.  If your friend found a 
> tick that you missed, that doesn't prove that you need to have someone 
> else check your child, but rather, that there is more you need to 
> learn about finding ticks.  You could use such a circumstance as a 
> means to learn what it was that caused you to miss the tick.  Maybe it 
> was somewhere that you didn't look or it was smaller than you expected 
> or something.  To me, there is a big difference between having a 
> friend gather information and using a friend to help you learn to 
> gether the information.  I am saying all of this not to be critical of 
> what you said, but because from what you have said, you are very early 
> in this process and some of this may not be obvious and this is a way 
> those of us who have been through this can be of some kind of help.  
> One has to always consider that one will have to make decisions in the 
> absence of even good friends because they can't always be there, so one
has to develop one's abilities as much as possible, but fortunately, our
limitations tend to be smaller than we think when we're starting out.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:09:53 -0700, Michelle Creedy  wrote:
> 
>> Great suggestions. I encourage you to be careful about making blanket 
>> statements and assumptions about people you don't know and likely 
>> will never meet. Your ideas are good ones but be careful.
> 
>> Of course I'd know bumps that were not there before and guess who 
>> found the ticks on the horses first? We had quite a lot of them in 
>> Africa. We all have techniques that we use and maybe some of them are 
>> not what others would use but the beauty of this list is that we 
>> share the techniques and if they werk they work. If someone doesn't 
>> like them don't use them. It's all a matter of making choices that you
can live with.
> I'm simply throwing out ideas.
> 
>> Michelle
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star 
>> Gazer
>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:53 AM
>> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding ticks on kids nonvisually?
> 
>> You will be in much closer contact with any kids you have then you 
>> will with your horses.
>> It's fine to use your friends, my concern with your post is that you 
>> are already hading over your power. Ticks feel like bumps that 
>> shouldn't be there. You as the mom will know things about your kids 
>> that professional people in any capacity simply can't know. Don't let 
>> other people define the relationship you have with your children.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Michelle Creedy
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 9:17 PM
>> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Finding ticks on kids nonvisually?
> 
>> I too was going to suggest a sighted person to check. I have a couple 
>> of friends who are nurses and plan on using their expertees when I 
>> have children. I guess for me, it's about having that conversation 
>> with the person so that they understand that you simply need them to 
>> give you information with their eyes that you are having trouble 
>> perceiving. I always let them know that in the end, I will make the 
>> decisions on what to do with that information.
> 
>> I have two miniature horses and the one's eye runs a lot. I often 
>> rely on the vision shared by others to let me know when it is really 
>> infected. I decide on the course of treatments but they give me that
info.
> 
>> Michelle
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Vega Via Iphone4S
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> 
>> I'm glad you are registered in finding this out. I am very happy to 
>> see that you are not militant and insistent on having yourselves only 
>> do it and possibly letting a set of person do it. I wish we had more 
>> like you. I wish I knew the answer or what to tell you, but I don't. 
>> I never had to do this before. But thank you for the breath of fresh 
>> air, in the understanding that sometimes, just sometimes we might 
>> need aside a person or two in our lives to help us just
> 
>> Gabe Vega
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>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:34 PM, "Melissa Ann Riccobono" 
>> <melissa at riccobono.us>
>> wrote:
> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> Our son, Austin, is at a nature day camp this week. He is having 
>>> tons of fun, but this morning he told me that his counselors told 
>>> him to have his parents check him for ticks each night when he comes
home.
>>> This makes sense to me, but I admit this is something I have never 
>>> done before. Is there a way to check nonvisually for a tick on your
> child?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Melissa
>>> 
>>> P.S. We certainly have sighted friends/neighbors who can help with 
>>> this, but I was curious if this is something Mark and I could do
>> ourselves.
>>> 
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