[blparent] Guns (was A total stranger crosses the line)

Fri May 17 12:16:42 UTC 2013

Thing is, it's very easy to say what we would do when we are sitting in
front of our computers.  We are all safe while reading and responding to
these posts.  
There are all kind of subtle things that happen when people interact. We all
have to trust what that inner voice is telling us. If someone grabs me
without making sure it's ok with me first, then I have to assume they don't
much care what I want and normal human interaction rules won't apply. It
doesn't necessarily mean I'd harm that person, just that they have
communicated to me that they are not interested in what I want.  That is
hugely important. 

-----Original Message-----
From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:23 PM
To: Blind Parents Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blparent] Guns (was A total stranger crosses the line)

I wouldn't try to hurt somebody who was pulling me somewhere or being
inappropriately helpful, unless they were actually putting me in danger and
verbal requests and/or jerking away didn't work. For example, if somebody
tried to drag me across the street while perpendicular traffic was going by
and could hit me, I would say no, plant my feet, jerk my arm and resort to
self-defense only if none of the above worked. Or I might if somebody tried
to actually lift me up and carry me somewhere in such a way that I couldn't
break free and I didn't know where they were taking me. Even if I did use a
strategic punch or kick, the goal wouldn't be to seriously hurt them, but
just to disable long enough so that I could get out of the dangerous
situation.
Arielle

On 5/16/13, Veronica Smith <madison_tewe at spinn.net> wrote:
> I did none of the above.
> But now that you mentioned it, self defense is a good thing as for 
> some, guns, but seriously, if someone wanted to help you across the 
> street and grabbed you thinking they were just helping, you wouldn't 
> pull out your gun, would you? On the otherhand, you might snap your 
> arms up or down to break the hold, but you wouldn't reach out and poke 
> them in the eye. Or would you?
> Protecting yourself from creepy peeps is good, but not everyone is a 
> creepy peep.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe 
> Vega Via Iphone4S
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: [blparent] Guns (was A total stranger crosses the line)
>
> But it's okay to bring up self-defense classes? Poking out eyes? Keep 
> you know people? An injury people physically with your hands?
>
> Gabe Vega
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> On May 15, 2013, at 2:37 PM, "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Not shocked at all, but the topic was when strangers cross the line 
>> and I was talking about being dragged across the street when all I 
>> wanted to do wa stand and wait for my friend. I'm sure that carrying 
>> a gun for protecton is not a bad idea for some, not for me though!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe 
>> Vega Via Iphone4S
>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:48 PM
>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Guns (was A total stranger crosses the line)
>>
>> Being that I have the same rights as cited people. Remember the 
>> quality we ask for? That means I carry any gun concealed as long as 
>> I'm not a prohibited possessor. Also, I am totally blind. But very 
>> well-trained. I have owned assault rifles, handguns, and rifles. As 
>> well as shotguns. I have been trained by police officers and former 
>> military men. I have training in firearm retention, meaning how well 
>> I could keep my gun from others. As well as combat shooting meaning 
>> to close quarters shooting range and firing of my firearm. I know 
>> you're shocked, and I expect most people too. But again we all asked 
>> for it call me as blind people, and I take all that you call me I could
get.
>> I'm also a business owner an idyllic cash and I do with sensitive
> documents and monies from other people but I need to keep safe as well.
>> Again remember the inequality that we all 54?
>>
>> Gabe Vega
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> CEO
>> Commtech LLC
>> The leader of computer support, training and web development services
>> Web: http://commtechusa.net
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc
>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc
>> Email: info at commtechusa.net
>> Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710
>> Fax: (480) 535-7649
>>
>> On May 13, 2013, at 2:20 PM, "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously?  Can you see at all?  Can a blind person get a concealed
>> weapons permit, as opposed to say a gun license for shooting at a range?
>> Would you really shoot someone for trying to help you cross the 
>> street, even if you didn't want to go?  I'm not picking on you, Gabe, 
>> please don't take it that way.  I'd ask these questions of anyone who 
>> posted what you just did; I'm stunned.
>>>
>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>
>>> Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, 
>>> you may
>> kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full 
>> at evening.--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
>>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:10 PM
>>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] A total stranger crosses the line
>>>
>>> Or, you could always carry a gun. I do. It is a Keltec P32 with a 
>>> seven
>> round clip. I always have one chambered so in total I carry 18 rounds 
>> on
> me.
>> I also carry a 10 round extra magazine in my back pocket.
>>>
>>> Gabe Vega
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> CEO
>>> Commtech LLC
>>> The leader of computer support, training and web development 
>>> services
>>> Web: http://commtechusa.net
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc
>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc
>>> Email: info at commtechusa.net
>>> Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710
>>> Fax: (480) 535-7649
>>>
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