[blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby FromBeingHitby a Car

[David Andrews]

I agree with Jo Elizabeth.  I think it would be best if this thread 
was dropped.  People are just speculating, and since many of you take 
strong positions, this tends to increase the level of personal animosity.

Please drop it.  We don't necessarily know all the factors involved, 
and the news story may not be accurate, so endless speculation is 
counter productive.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 03:32 PM 9/23/2013, you wrote:
>Oh, for the love of God, I wasn't trying to start anything.  Just 
>forget I even posted this.
>
>Jo Elizabeth
>
>Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, 
>you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round 
>and full at evening.--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
>-----Original Message----- From: Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:51 PM
>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby 
>FromBeingHitby a Car
>
>taking these issues into account, it still shows negligence on the 
>side of the mother. If it was windy and she couldn't hear, maybe she 
>could take her own safety and get herself killed, but to put the 
>baby in danger, was wrong. If she has a hearing loss again traveling 
>with the baby is not very safe, there's so many things that seem 
>very funny to the story. I don't know why were trying to take it as 
>something it's not it's not a feel-good story it's a sad tragedy 
>that make the blind look in capable
>
>Gabe Vega
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>>On Sep 23, 2013, at 11:45 AM, "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Could be any of these. It could also be that it was very windy, or she has a
>>hearing loss. Maybe she was overtired and used very poor judgement.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>>Silverman
>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 1:34 PM
>>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From
>>BeingHitby a Car
>>
>>I'm also confused about how a car almost hit the baby stroller when the mom
>>was "getting ready" to cross the street. If she was waiting for traffic to
>>clear, wouldn't she be waiting at the curb? Did a car try to jump the curb?
>>Or was she waiting a little too far into the street? Or did  she step out to
>>cross right before a  car came through? Why didn't she hear the car? I've
>>never been almost hit by a car while waiting to cross and something doesn't
>>quite sound safe about this situation. I hope the mom is able to learn from
>>whatever travel mistake might have allowed this to happen.
>>
>>Arielle
>>
>>>On 9/23/13, Tammy <tcl189 at rogers.com> wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>How would you know whether it's safe or not?  Maybe she was taught and
>>>the dog was taught to push a stroller?  Just because I don't think
>>>it's safe doesn't mean it's wrong, and I have no right to question or
>>>judge and neither do you.  As far as I know you've never even had a
>>>guide dog, so how
>>>
>>>would you know good practices or the capabilities of a guide dog team?
>>>Ultimately the baby was saved by the guidedog and whatever the mother
>>>did or
>>>
>>>didn't do had no part in it.  The car could have easily been coming
>>>from the
>>>
>>>other direction and the same think might have happened.  So your
>>>point, while taken, was pointless.
>>>
>>>Tammy
>>>
>>>Tammy
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
>>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:52 PM
>>>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From
>>>BeingHitby a Car
>>>
>>>maybe, but that's just like her driving a car. The practice might be
>>>done it's still not safe. She should probably be investigated for
>>>neglect, something similar, because she wasn't taking her baby safety
>>>serious by steering something when you can't see.
>>>
>>>Gabe Vega
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>CEO
>>>Commtech LLC
>>>The leader of computer support, training and web development services
>>>Web: http://commtechusa.net
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>>>
>>>>On Sep 23, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Tammy" <tcl189 at rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I know some people who are blind who push their strollers ahead of
>>>>them while using a guide dog and although I dont' agree with the
>>>>practice, some
>>>>
>>>>schools teach their dogs to guide that way if necessary.  A stroller
>>>>is much easier to push then to pull and maybe she felt comfortable
>>>>pushing hers.
>>>>
>>>>Tammy
>>>>--Original Message----- From: Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:14 AM
>>>>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From
>>>>Being Hitby a Car
>>>>
>>>>Was no one else asking themselves, what was this blind mother doing
>>>>pushing her stroller I had of her when crossing a street, does this
>>>>not place the baby in danger if she was totally blind? Sounds kind of
>>>>funny to
>>>>
>>>>me, and I get the gist of the story is the capabilities and/or
>>>>intuition of the guy dog, but I have more questions than answers at
>>>>this point
>>>>
>>>>Gabe Vega
>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>CEO
>>>>Commtech LLC
>>>>The leader of computer support, training and web development services
>>>>Web: http://commtechusa.net
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>>>>
>>>>>On Sep 23, 2013, at 6:52 AM, "Tammy" <tcl189 at rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, all 3 of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tammy
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:54 AM Subject: [Bulk] [blparent]
>>>>>Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From Being Hit by a Car
>>>>>
>>>>>Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From Being Hit by a Car by Mary
>>>>>Fischer Friday at 1:12 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>Mom Jessica Crowley is thanking her lucky stars after her guide dog
>>>>>saved
>>>>>
>>>>>her baby's life by pushing his stroller out of the way of a car that
>>>>>was
>>>>>
>>>>>heading straight for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jessica is registered blind, and her black lab, Jet, has been by her
>>>>>side
>>>>>
>>>>>for five years. While getting ready to cross the street pushing her
>>>>>son Jacob's stroller, she heard the screech of a car coming in their
>>>>>direction. And just before it hit, Jet broke loose from Jessica's
>>>>>grip and knocked the stroller out of the way. It did fall over and
>>>>>the baby wound up with a cut on his lip, but if it weren't for Jet's
>>>>>quick actions, something much worse could have happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jessica says that Jet loves little Jacob as if he were her own,
>>>>>which is
>>>>>
>>>>>evident based on how she reacted when she realized he was in danger.
>>>>>Who
>>>>>
>>>>>says a dog can't have mama bear instincts -- even if a human baby is
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>one she's trying to protect? It's amazing how even though she's
>>>>>trained to assist Jessica, she immediately switched gears and came
>>>>>to Jacob's rescue.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure this mom keeps replaying what happened over and over again
>>>>>in her mind -- I know I would if my son had almost been hit by a
>>>>>car. And I
>>>>>
>>>>>don't know how I'd ever be able to give that dog enough love and
>>>>>praise to thank her for what she did -- though something tells me
>>>>>dogs do what they feel is right without expecting anything much in
>>return.
>>>>>
>>>>>What a blessing it is that Jessica had Jet with her that day. I'm
>>>>>sure every time she hears her sweet baby boy's voice, she's once
>>>>>again reminded of what a gem of a dog she has in her life!
>>>>>
>>>>>Is your dog protective of your baby?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/161452/moms_guide_dog_saves_her
>>>>>
>>>>>Jo Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay,
>>>>>you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round
>>>>>and full
>>>>>
>>>>>at evening.--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.