[blparent] Has anybody heard these Learn More 924commercials on the radio?

Sat Jan 11 01:47:10 UTC 2014

Jennifer, I have nothing to add to what you have written.  I totally agree.

On 1/10/14, Jo Elizabeth Pinto <jopinto at msn.com> wrote:
> I have retinopathy of prematurity, the condition caused by damage to the
> retinas from too much oxygen in the incubator.  So I still have my eyes and
> thus my retinas.  I didn't know that would make a difference.  I do tend to
> get out more in the summer, and I definitely miss the sunshine in the
> wintertime when I don't get out as much.  I have fibromyalgia, which keeps
> me in when the temperatures dip, and they do in Colorado sometimes.
>
> Jo Elizabeth
>
> Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may
> kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at
> evening.--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennifer Stewart Jackson
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 5:21 PM
> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anybody heard these Learn More 924commercials on
> the radio?
>
> Interesting information about the lights. Do you mind telling us a little
> more about your eye condition? Really what I am wondering is if you have
> prosthetics or if the light effect is somehow working on your retina?
>
> Both of my optic nerves were severed in the accident in which I lost my
> site, so I know it is not my retanas involved. I still feel better if I get
> outdoors a little every day. My reaction to a day earlier this week with
> temps in the single digit was to go back to bed until late morning, so I am
> sure if I lived somewhere with a more regularly cold climate I would happily
> go for days without the sunlight or moonlight touching my skin. :)
> Vitamin D is another issue and does have to do with sunlight and your skin.
> I can certainly see the benefits to encouraging our bodies to produce more
> Vitamin D naturally instead of taking a supplement.
>
> Certainly something to think about. Which reminds me
>
>
> Jennifer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jo
> Elizabeth Pinto
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:17 PM
> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anybody heard these Learn More 924 commercials
> on the radio?
>
> I have no light perception.  I can't see the light from the box at all, even
> though it is so bright that sighted people can't stand to look at it.  But
> it is full spectrum light that copies the effect of outdoor sunshine.  I
> turn it on while at my desk, especially in the winter, and even if I can't
> see it, the sunshine effects definitely uplift my mood.  My family can tell
> if I've forgotten to turn the light on for a few days.  My boyfriend will
> ask, "Have you forgotten the light?  Be sure to turn on the light tomorrow"
> if I'm starting to get in a slump.
>
>
>
>
> Jo Elizabeth
>
> Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may
> kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at
> evening.--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nevzat Adil
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:59 PM
> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anybody heard these Learn More 924 commercials
> on the radio?
>
> I think some of you misinterpreted my words. I did not say sleep disorder
> does not exist.
> I said it cannot be blamed simply on total blindness. Other factors may be
> involved. Although totally blind I did not experience sleep disorder in my
> younger days, but now I do. So aging can be a factor.
> Lack of exercise can be another. and one can go on and on.
> And what's a light box and what does it do? Would it help someone like me
> with no light perception?
>
> On 1/10/14, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jennifer's post is great.
>> My problem with the post below hers is that it comes across as if you
>> think anybody who has non24 disorder is just sitting on their asses
>> all day.
>> I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes with my current pregnancy. I
>> had two glucose tolerance tests to prove it. As a result, I need to
>> eat differently, and test my glucose several times a day.
>> Gestational diabetes has always been around. If not controlled, it can
>> lead to some interesting things, strange behavior in women, (think
>> agigation, too much sleepiness, being very anxious, huge weight gain)
>> not to mention bad impacts to the baby.
>> It has only been very recently that pregnant women are tested as a
>> matter of course for gestational diabetes. Many of our moms were not
>> tested because while their symptoms were real and not caused by "crazy
>> pregnant lady" the medical industry hadn't developed the tools and the
>> knowllege base to deal with it. Home glucose meters didn't exist.
>> Nobody was real sure what role sugar played and how it was played.
>> And, there are still some people that refuse to grasp that gestational
>> diabetes is very real. I was talking with a friend a few weeks back,
>> an older gentleman who told me "I don't believe in that, my wife never
>> had that problem, I think the medical industry just needs something to
>> do". This was n the context of dinner when I told him why I was saying
>> no to a food I'd normally eat and explaining why.
>> The midwife I saw yesterday told me that they used to think pregnant
>> women who gained obscene amounts of weight were just eating too much
>> and needed to step away from the table. Some of them probably do, and
>> she readily admitted that. She also said that huge weight gains are
>> often a sign of gestational diabetes and it's how the body is
>> processing or not processing sugar. That can be resolved, but only if
>> you know about it.
>> It's fine not to believe in non24 disorder or anything else. That's
>> your choice. Be careful though in expressing those beliefs as you
>> minimize the experiences of people who know something isn't right, and
>> can't quite put their finger on it. And, if you are proven correct, what
>> have you lost?
>> I say all this because non24 disorder and the "is it, isn't it" real
>> debate reminds me a lot of women's health issues. Many of them are
>> issues women have experienced and written about for thousands of
>> years, and only now are we realizing that there truly is some medical
>> stuff going on.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jennifer Stewart Jackson
>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:05 AM
>> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anybody heard these Learn More 924
>> commercials on the radio?
>>
>> You may not believe in this sleep disorder, but several of our list
>> members apparently do as they expressed in responses to this same
>> message that they struggle with it. You have very good points about
>> some other contributing factors, but that does not mean the condition
>> itself is not also a valid one. Melatonin is produced in the body as a
>> natural response to light and is a direct part of our functioning on a
>> 24 hour circadian rhythm. Many things can happen to interfere with
>> this natural cycle of course. People who work nights and those who
>> live in regions like Alaska often struggle with the same kind of
>> problems.
>> This may be part of why you did not struggle with this condition as a
>> child as you still had some light perception. I think the process has
>> something to do with the retina, so those with prosthetics or severe
>> damage to the retina are going to be strongly effected in this way. If
>> you check out some of the old studies on sensory deprivation, there is
>> a lot of evidence about people developing a 25 to 26 hour rhythm when
>> deprived of light.
>>
>> As women, we also can have many interruptions to our cycle that are
>> hormonal related.
>>
>> All of this is why we have a food and drug administration in this country.
>> An extensive study had to be done with control groups and other
>> research into the causal aspect of this condition as part of getting
>> the medication approved. Of course if it is labeled a supplement as
>> opposed to a drug, the standards are lower, but they do still have to
>> submit evidence.
>>
>> Goodness knows what this drug company is going to charge to recoup
>> those expenses either. I think it would be interesting to find out if
>> government dollars funded this research too, but my cynicism about
>> drug corporations and the US Food and Drug folks is definitely straying
>> way off topic.
>>
>> One of my children has a different sleep disorder and people often
>> just do not seem to get it. We jump through a lot of hoops around here
>> to keep that child even sleeping a few hours every night. Sleep
>> disorders are a real struggle for some people. I know I became a true
>> believer somewhere in the process of the numerous ER trips with an
>> unconscious child who even the paramedics could not wake up when his
>> little body finally just shut down and put him into that deep a sleep.
>> At least twice in the middle of the school day. I know I have shared
>> about these s struggles with Henry here before, but I know we have
>> some new people who might want to know why I am so interested in sleep
>> disorders.
>>
>>
>> Jennifer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Nevzat Adil
>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:42 AM
>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anybody heard these Learn More 924
>> commercials on the radio?
>>
>> I doubt it if sleep disorder is due to total blindness. I have been
>> totally blind almost all of my life, only light perception during
>> early childhood.
>> In my younger days I did sleep very well, but it is only now that I I
>> am older that I sleep only about 4 hours per night.
>> I would say that one may have sleep disorder whether blind or not.
>> People have this disorder as they get older.
>> Another thing that needs consideration is how physically tired one is.
>> Many blind people are very sedantic, lacking physical exercise. No
>> doubt, getting sufficient exercise will help one's sleep.  It works for
>> me.
>> As far as comercials are concerned, I do not take them seriously,
>> because they are produced to sell a product and not necessarily improve
>> lives.
>>
>> On 1/10/14, Sharon Howerton <shrnhow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> They are on every day here in Chicago and it is actually non 24.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 8:30 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anybody heard these Learn More 924
>>> commercials onthe radio?
>>>
>>> Yep, it is real, but I have a big problem with the commercials.  The
>>> speaker starts off by saying "You can't see me because this is radio,
>>> and I can't see you because I'm totally blind."  Cute, I suppose, but
>>> cheesy.  Then he goes off into this business about how he can't
>>> concentrate on anything during the day, leaving the clear impression
>>> that it is because of his blindness.  Were I in the position of a
>>> sighted person thinking about hiring someone in a critical position,
>>> and a blind person showed up, that commercial would add to any and
>>> every other misconception about blindness I might have.
>>>
>>> So, maybe Vanda is working on a beneficial compound, but their way of
>>> drumming up business strikes me as patronizing at best.
>>>
>>> OK, not about blind parenting, so no more from me on this.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: trising at sbcglobal.net [mailto:trising at sbcglobal.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 4:47 PM
>>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Has anybody heard these Learn More 924
>>> commercials onthe radio?
>>>
>>>     Yes, Non24 sleep disorder is real. I have it, and Melatonin helps.
>>> Vanda
>>> Pharmaceuticals is coming out with a medication that will help more
>>> than Melatonin. I have not heard the commercials. There is also a
>>> website if you are interested. If you put Non24 into your favorite
>>> search engine, you will find it.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Terri Wilcox
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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