[blparent] Accessible PDF program

Mon Nov 30 02:45:20 UTC 2015

I love the optacon.  I wish
they would have kept teaching
me how to use it.  I was
getting really good at it.
Being exposed to the optacon I
am able to still read raised
print.  Still wish I could do
more with this equipment.  

Warmly,
Melissa R. Green and Pj
It is 'where we are' that
should make all the
difference, whether we believe
we belong there or not. 

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Let's hear it for the Optacon!
It is a wonderful piece of
technology! None
of today's programs and
devices even attempts to do
what the Optacon started
doing back in the 1970s. I use
mine every day and I shudder
to think of life
without it.

Debbie

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Accessible PDF program

Judy,

Another Optacon user, it's
good to meet you.  <smile>  I
also still use one,
too.  

Another point to make about
forms is that it isn't always
easy to reason out
where a response is supposed
to go.  For example, it is
common to fill in a
response to the right of the
label, but I've seen forms
where the response
goes on the line below, for
example.  Once one knows a
form, one can deal
with it, but forms are
somewhat unpredictable these
days.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Accessible PDF program

Also, if you do fill out a
Word document, there are times
when, because of
the tags, you have to simply
right-arrow through to find
the underlines.  As

steve said, that is when you
want to be in overwrite mode,
but make sure you

get out of it as soon as you
need to type anything else
other than
substituting an underscore
with another character.
Whenever I have done
this, especially with a new
unfamiliar document, I always
double-check
myself with the Optacon.  A
sighted proof-reader can do
the same thing of
course.

Judy

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Jennifer,

If you can experiment with
common forms using an OCR
program such as Open
Book, and maybe even the
serotek program, with your
mom, you might be able
to get a word document that
can be filled out.  Generally
you will need to
fill out such a form in
"overtype" mode so your typing
doesn't push text
along.  Also, it can be a
little difficult to determine
where you should
type.  Some OCR programs will
turn underlined areas into an
underline code
and a tab.  This makes a very
nice looking underline but is
sometimes not
easy to use to type into.
Most often, if they have some
warning, staff in a
doctor's office will help with
forms, although you might need
to get there
early to allow for extra time
to get that done.

There adobe documents that are
designed to be filled out by a
computer and
not just printed.  While those
can be managed, they are not
always as easy
to fill out as one might
expect.  Some of the fault for
that is in how
documents are created, but
some is probably on the screen
readers as well.
Adobe is so busy updating
their programs, screen reader
developers are
shooting at a moving target.
Some of these companies seem
to believe that
there program is the only one
that we run and the only one
screen readers
have to support.  <smile>

Best regards,

Steve

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Hi Judy,

Thank you for sharing your
knowledge with me.
I do not have open book yet I
need to get that. I am
currently using Serotek
DocuScan Plus the issue that I
have though is similar to what
you mentioned
you've experienced with Word
and it re formats the document
making it not
possible to print out in the
same format I received it and
return it to the
doctor.

I am running dual operating
systems and recently added
Windows to my Mac so
I do not have all of the
necessary software that I need
yet.

For the paperwork I needed
filled out I was able to send
it to my mom and
since she is sighted she
filled it out for me using
Adobe on her Mac.

Jennifer

On Nov 28, 2015, at 9:07 PM,
Judy Jones via BlParent
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Hi,

When you see a document you
can download in adobe,
depending on the editor,
you may or may not be able to
fill it out on the computer.
Many adobe
publishers figure that you
will print out their documents
and fill them out
by hand.

I have tried to copy/paste a
document into word, but messes
up the
formatting.

Some adobe documents, when
they are processed, you will
get an "alert empty
document" message.  That
document will still print
though.

With the newer Jaws versions,
if you are using Jaws, there
may be ways
around this.  Also, if you
have OpenBook, you may be able
to open that adobe
document from within OpenBook
program, then edit it in edit
mode, but
haven't had the chance to play
around with that much.

I would also be interested to
hear others' input who may
have had more
experience than I.  I don't
find Adobe to be terribly
dependable when it
comes to access.  Again, it
depends on the creator of the
document.

Judy

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Subject: [blparent] Accessible
PDF program

Hello I am wondering what you
use for an accessible PDF
application to fill
out paperwork using the
computer such as medical forms
that need to be
filled out and taken back to
the doctor.

Is Adobe accessible?

Thanks
Jennifer
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