[Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
Darian Smith
dsmithnfb at gmail.com
Mon Oct 4 03:16:23 UTC 2010
I want to say so, but I'm really torn there- especially having been
a "victum" of both miss-treatments of society.
....
Gosh we need more people to comment on this list serve!!!
*smile*
On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think its fundamentally the same thing though, just in more detail for
> blind people... *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Angela Fowler
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:38 PM
> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>
> There is a crucial difference here. While foolish stereotypes exist, it is
> not perceived by many thinking people, or I have not seen it, that gender or
> skin color effects one's ability to cross a street, cook a meal, or do
> countless other simple tasks. The ability of blind people to do these things
> is questioned daily. Therein lies our need to educate.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Darian Smith
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:28 PM
> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>
> You will not get an arguement from me there. But what i respectfully submit
> for consideration is this:
> People of different skin colors/ethnic backgrounds likely don't feel like
> they must educate, that it is their responsibility to change the perceptions
> of the community around them all by themselves and or all of the time.
> Is this the expectation that any blind person must have? that it is a
> birth right/responsibility to educate?
> Best,
> Darian
>
>
> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Women and people of various skin colors and backgrounds may not have
>> to assert themselves now, however they did. Every minority has or will
>> go through its own revolution. And, some would argue that women, and
>> people of various races still do have to assert themselves. I would
>> certainly say that as a female and a Hispanic one at that I must
>> assert myself and prove myself to others. Just because women are mor
>> accepted in everyday society as contributing members nowadays, doesn't
>> mean the fight is over, and this can be said for all groups. Just a
> thought.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:54 PM
>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>
>> I did say that I was shifting things.
>> Does a woman, a Latino/ african- american
>> have to explain that they have just the same likelyhood to be
>> successful that their male or white peers?
>> that their skin color, or the way they speak does not determine
>> their intelligence?
>> does stopping to explain ourselves in fact add more attention to
>> ourselves? I think there is something to the idea that we have a
>> responsibility to educate, but I am not going to go around
>> expecting the next blind person to do what I may be willing to do. I
>> think it's important to realize an important fact: we are a minority,
>> and speaking as a minority, I understand the ways people look at me,
>> but I am not going to always look to change how a person looks at me.
>> If I do try to change everyone, or even a majority of people's
>> views about that minority group that I belong to, I'm probably not
>> taking the time to enjoy life and I'm possibly thinking too much of
>> myself as some sort of champion of a cause that has long been in
>> affect before I am born and probably will be around long after I'm
>> gone.
>> personally, do I educate? yes, I do. But, I don't go out of my way
>> to do it when I'm not having the paitionce to do it. and I do it
>> because I want to.
>> So, to bring it back to
>> Aziza post 1: If in my judgement
>> it's worth my time to do it, then I'll do it. What that means to a
>> person is subjective.
>>
>> respectfully,
>> Darian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Darian is a silent commentator? *looks disbelieving* lol
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:16 PM
>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>
>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Judgement defines intent. You can tell a lot about someone on how
>>>> they approach you. I think. If someone is truly interested in
>>>> blindness it is noticeable.
>>>>
>>>> If it isn't our responsibility to educate, who's is it? It may not
>>>> be by default ours, but we have taken it on for the entire blind
>>>> community, and tend to pass it on with what we've learned about the
>>>> responsibility to
>>> those
>>>> blind people we meet.
>>>>
>>>> Not really sure how to respond to the third.
>>>> AC
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:53 PM
>>>> To: fowlers at syix.com; California Association of Blind Students
>>>> Mailing
>>> List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>
>>>> slightly shifting the topic:
>>>> I pose these questions for consideration to the list.
>>>> 1. how can we realisticly judge intent?
>>>> 2. what"makes it" our "responsibility" to educate?
>>>> 3. when does education end and living our lives as the fully
>>>> functioning, desire-having, dream-seeking human beings that we are
>>>> begin?
>>>> Darian
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/10, Angela Fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>> Aziza brings up a question which I've been wrestling with off and
>>>>> on for almost a year.
>>>>> At times I receive emails from people wanting to interview a blind
>> person
>>>> as
>>>>> part of some project they are doing, or seeking information about
>>>>> some
>>>> other
>>>>> aspect of life as a blind person. I rarely respond to such a
>>>>> request, as much as anything because I can't verify that the person
>>>>> making it is legitimate.
>>>>> The dilemma however, is this. If the person making the request has
>>>>> preconceived notions about blind people, and is trying to reinforce
>> those
>>>>> notions, nothing we say or do is likely to have any effect. On the
>>>>> other hand, if the person making the request is open-minded,
>>>>> thoughtful, and
>> is
>>>>> undertaking a project which is going to be seen by a wide variety
>>>>> of
>>>> people,
>>>>> we have a good opportunity to educate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>
>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>> this is a very interesting topic, and I want to thank you for
>>>>> bringing
>>> it
>>>>> up. I, like alot of us on this list are subscribed to alot of
>>>>> blindness-related list serves and I find it interesting that some
>>>> amungst
>>>>> the sighted public turn to the blind as a sort of case study hot bed.
>>>>> This said, it is difficult to say what is the case with the
>>>> communication
>>>>> you recieved, because only you have the ability to make
>>>>> the determination with regards to what you have been approached
>>>>> with. I guess it is really a judgement call. If you really think
>>>>> that someone is taking interest in blindness just as a case
>>>>> study, you obviously don't need to assist them, nor do you if
>>>>> they seem to have
>>> a
>>>>> good cause behind their wishing to survay-interview you.
>>>>> Basically, it's a subjective thing as I personally see it.
>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>> Darian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I may be completely off based, but I will let you decide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got a message on facebook from an individual who wants to write
>>>>>> a paper on a blind person. Personally this infuriates me. It
>>>>>> frustrates me that the only reason someone would contact me is to
>>>>>> try and make their misconceptions fit into my life so they can
>>>>>> write their paper and pretend they actually understand what its like
> to be blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now don't get me wrong, I love to inform and teach, but there is a
>>>>>> difference in sitting down and discussing blindness as a whole
>>>>>> with someone pursuing an education in disability services, or
>>>>>> allowing someone to document what kind of lives we lead, or even
>>>>>> working with children who want to learn how to develop something
>>>>>> to help the blind community. These kinds of efforts, in my opinion,
> are helping us.
>>>>>> However, when someone contacts me, as if I am a rare case study
>>>>>> they must speak with because I am blind, I get a little frustrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where does general affective curiosity cross the line into rude
>>>>>> invasion of our blindness? How do we decide who to help with
>>>>>> projects like these, and who is not really interested in
>>>>>> blindness, but just wants a good topic to bluff his/her way
>>>>>> through with preconceived false
>>>>> notions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>
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