[Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
Darian Smith
dsmithnfb at gmail.com
Mon Oct 4 17:34:46 UTC 2010
couldn't have said it better myself, mike.
Diane, I hope you do post more oftin we would love to hear from you!
oh, and Angela, you don't post enough either!
and Aziza... just wanted to say your name so as to not leave you out! *smile*
On 10/4/10, Michael Peterson <its.mike at att.net> wrote:
> Good point Darian. Students are transitional by nature and therefore the
> list composition changes constantly so does the manner of how people
> respond. Things like general membership and even elected officer
> composition can affect the types of responses one gets.
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: "California Association of Blind Students Mailing List"
> <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>
>
> I think that it varies from list to list what you find the responce
> to be. I once posted to the national student list and found the
> list to be not very supportive and even a little hostile. Some
> years later I re-subscribed to the list and found it to be more
> open-m minded and supportive.
> If you have found this topic to be a topic that is uncomfortable
> then I'll directly appoligize as it was I who mis-directed it in the
> first place.
> I would, however highly encourage you to share questions, thoughts
> and stories that you think would be of benifitor are just thinking
> about, as this is a low-traffic list and we always enjoy a good
> topic thread!
> Best,
>
> Darian
>
> On 10/4/10, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Diane,
>>
>> I am sorry that your list serve expirience has not beena positive one!
>> It is not always the case that one's expirience always has to be
>> one not so supportitive.
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/10, Diane Vlasoff <vlasoff at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Aziza,
>>>
>>> Many of us who have commented on nfb list serves in the past have found
>>> that
>>> our responses are denied for no apparent reason. I once commented on
>>> something and had it rejected. I didn't know why. My request for
>>> clarification was ignored, and so I for one only keep these list serves
>>> for
>>> general information.
>>>
>>> Sorry for this unfortunate response.
>>>
>>> Diane Vlasoff
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Aziza C
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:26 PM
>>> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>
>>> It's the Darian Angela and Aziza show, with our special guest Mike!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:16 PM
>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>
>>> I want to say so, but I'm really torn there- especially having been
>>> a "victum" of both miss-treatments of society.
>>> ....
>>> Gosh we need more people to comment on this list serve!!!
>>> *smile*
>>>
>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think its fundamentally the same thing though, just in more detail for
>>>> blind people... *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Angela Fowler
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:38 PM
>>>> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>
>>>> There is a crucial difference here. While foolish stereotypes exist, it
>>>> is
>>>> not perceived by many thinking people, or I have not seen it, that
>>>> gender
>>> or
>>>> skin color effects one's ability to cross a street, cook a meal, or do
>>>> countless other simple tasks. The ability of blind people to do these
>>> things
>>>> is questioned daily. Therein lies our need to educate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:28 PM
>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>
>>>> You will not get an arguement from me there. But what i respectfully
>>> submit
>>>> for consideration is this:
>>>> People of different skin colors/ethnic backgrounds likely don't feel
>>> like
>>>> they must educate, that it is their responsibility to change the
>>> perceptions
>>>> of the community around them all by themselves and or all of the time.
>>>> Is this the expectation that any blind person must have? that it is a
>>>> birth right/responsibility to educate?
>>>> Best,
>>>> Darian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Women and people of various skin colors and backgrounds may not have
>>>>> to assert themselves now, however they did. Every minority has or will
>>>>> go through its own revolution. And, some would argue that women, and
>>>>> people of various races still do have to assert themselves. I would
>>>>> certainly say that as a female and a Hispanic one at that I must
>>>>> assert myself and prove myself to others. Just because women are mor
>>>>> accepted in everyday society as contributing members nowadays, doesn't
>>>>> mean the fight is over, and this can be said for all groups. Just a
>>>> thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:54 PM
>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>
>>>>> I did say that I was shifting things.
>>>>> Does a woman, a Latino/ african- american
>>>>> have to explain that they have just the same likelyhood to be
>>>>> successful that their male or white peers?
>>>>> that their skin color, or the way they speak does not determine
>>>>> their intelligence?
>>>>> does stopping to explain ourselves in fact add more attention to
>>>>> ourselves? I think there is something to the idea that we have a
>>>>> responsibility to educate, but I am not going to go around
>>>>> expecting the next blind person to do what I may be willing to do. I
>>>>> think it's important to realize an important fact: we are a minority,
>>>>> and speaking as a minority, I understand the ways people look at me,
>>>>> but I am not going to always look to change how a person looks at me.
>>>>> If I do try to change everyone, or even a majority of people's
>>>>> views about that minority group that I belong to, I'm probably not
>>>>> taking the time to enjoy life and I'm possibly thinking too much of
>>>>> myself as some sort of champion of a cause that has long been in
>>>>> affect before I am born and probably will be around long after I'm
>>>>> gone.
>>>>> personally, do I educate? yes, I do. But, I don't go out of my way
>>>>> to do it when I'm not having the paitionce to do it. and I do it
>>>>> because I want to.
>>>>> So, to bring it back to
>>>>> Aziza post 1: If in my judgement
>>>>> it's worth my time to do it, then I'll do it. What that means to a
>>>>> person is subjective.
>>>>>
>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>> Darian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Darian is a silent commentator? *looks disbelieving* lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:16 PM
>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Judgement defines intent. You can tell a lot about someone on how
>>>>>>> they approach you. I think. If someone is truly interested in
>>>>>>> blindness it is noticeable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it isn't our responsibility to educate, who's is it? It may not
>>>>>>> be by default ours, but we have taken it on for the entire blind
>>>>>>> community, and tend to pass it on with what we've learned about the
>>>>>>> responsibility to
>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> blind people we meet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not really sure how to respond to the third.
>>>>>>> AC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:53 PM
>>>>>>> To: fowlers at syix.com; California Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>> Mailing
>>>>>> List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> slightly shifting the topic:
>>>>>>> I pose these questions for consideration to the list.
>>>>>>> 1. how can we realisticly judge intent?
>>>>>>> 2. what"makes it" our "responsibility" to educate?
>>>>>>> 3. when does education end and living our lives as the fully
>>>>>>> functioning, desire-having, dream-seeking human beings that we are
>>>>>>> begin?
>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Angela Fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Aziza brings up a question which I've been wrestling with off and
>>>>>>>> on for almost a year.
>>>>>>>> At times I receive emails from people wanting to interview a blind
>>>>> person
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> part of some project they are doing, or seeking information about
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> aspect of life as a blind person. I rarely respond to such a
>>>>>>>> request, as much as anything because I can't verify that the person
>>>>>>>> making it is legitimate.
>>>>>>>> The dilemma however, is this. If the person making the request has
>>>>>>>> preconceived notions about blind people, and is trying to reinforce
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> notions, nothing we say or do is likely to have any effect. On the
>>>>>>>> other hand, if the person making the request is open-minded,
>>>>>>>> thoughtful, and
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> undertaking a project which is going to be seen by a wide variety
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> people,
>>>>>>>> we have a good opportunity to educate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>>>> this is a very interesting topic, and I want to thank you for
>>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> up. I, like alot of us on this list are subscribed to alot of
>>>>>>>> blindness-related list serves and I find it interesting that some
>>>>>>> amungst
>>>>>>>> the sighted public turn to the blind as a sort of case study hot
>>> bed.
>>>>>>>> This said, it is difficult to say what is the case with the
>>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>>> you recieved, because only you have the ability to make
>>>>>>>> the determination with regards to what you have been approached
>>>>>>>> with. I guess it is really a judgement call. If you really think
>>>>>>>> that someone is taking interest in blindness just as a case
>>>>>>>> study, you obviously don't need to assist them, nor do you if
>>>>>>>> they seem to have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> good cause behind their wishing to survay-interview you.
>>>>>>>> Basically, it's a subjective thing as I personally see it.
>>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I may be completely off based, but I will let you decide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I got a message on facebook from an individual who wants to write
>>>>>>>>> a paper on a blind person. Personally this infuriates me. It
>>>>>>>>> frustrates me that the only reason someone would contact me is to
>>>>>>>>> try and make their misconceptions fit into my life so they can
>>>>>>>>> write their paper and pretend they actually understand what its
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>> to be blind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now don't get me wrong, I love to inform and teach, but there is a
>>>>>>>>> difference in sitting down and discussing blindness as a whole
>>>>>>>>> with someone pursuing an education in disability services, or
>>>>>>>>> allowing someone to document what kind of lives we lead, or even
>>>>>>>>> working with children who want to learn how to develop something
>>>>>>>>> to help the blind community. These kinds of efforts, in my opinion,
>>>> are helping us.
>>>>>>>>> However, when someone contacts me, as if I am a rare case study
>>>>>>>>> they must speak with because I am blind, I get a little frustrated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where does general affective curiosity cross the line into rude
>>>>>>>>> invasion of our blindness? How do we decide who to help with
>>>>>>>>> projects like these, and who is not really interested in
>>>>>>>>> blindness, but just wants a good topic to bluff his/her way
>>>>>>>>> through with preconceived false
>>>>>>>> notions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>>>
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