[Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
Diane Vlasoff
vlasoff at roadrunner.com
Mon Oct 4 20:37:44 UTC 2010
Hi Mike,
Thank you for your very through answer. I experienced the difficulty with
the main nfbc list serve quite a while ago. It never occurred to me that the
various list serves through the nfb were so radically different.
By way of introduction, I am a grad student at Cal Lutheran and was the
founding president of the Channel Islands Chapter of the nfbc.
I have to say that this list has provided me with a tremendous amount of
information as I transitioned back into the collegiate environment, and I
have enjoyed hearing how involved Aziza has become.
Thanks for taking the time to make me feel welcome! I will endeavor to
contribute relevant information as issues arise.
Diane
-----Original Message-----
From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Peterson
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:21 AM
To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
Hi Diane. Just for clarification do you mean you posted to a list and
got some rude response or do you mean you tried to post and the message
appeared not to get through. If it was the former each list is different
and the reactions you get depend on things like general policy list
moderator etc.If you read the list you can get a sense as to how comment
controlled it is by the posts you read. If the list is just informational
most or all of the post will be from the same person or small group of
persons. If the list encourages chitchat you will see more posts more topics
and more individuals posting and you won't see a moderator asking people not
to post. even than if you post a comment or a question and it's something
people aren't clear about or have no knowledge of people won't respond to
you
If on the other hand you send to the list and get a message was rejected
meaning it never posted or you just don't see the message post at all this
could be caused because of listserv problems or it could be some other issue
like if you have multiple email addresses and you inadvertently sent out the
message from a different address than you have on file with the list serve.
Example I'm using windows mail I have several addresses
its_mike at sbcglobal.net isn't working but was at one time
its.mike at att.net is still working but shouldn't be and is a part of my
window's mail addresses until they stop it. I don't think I've changed it
on the nfbc listserve yet.
winamichael at gmail.com is a different email working and in my windows mail
set up
and the address I write this list from should be
its_mike at comcast.net
Sometimes I have the wrong send from box or Sometimes I get confuseed or
forget to check
If that happens the message won't go through because the list serve doesn't
recognize me.
Usually if a moderator is blocking messages you might suspect because in
following the list you notice some kind of controversy has come up or
someone has posted something not permitted on the list like an endorsement
for a political candidate a very religious message or something way off
topic the group isn't involved in.
If you see that you are on a list like CABS and the elected officers are
inviting people to post the list may be more easy-going than the general
list or the topic may just be more appropriate for student discussion.
Have a great day.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "California Association of Blind Students Mailing List"
<cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
Hello Diane,
I am sorry that your list serve expirience has not beena positive one!
It is not always the case that one's expirience always has to be
one not so supportitive.
On 10/4/10, Diane Vlasoff <vlasoff at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Hi Aziza,
>
> Many of us who have commented on nfb list serves in the past have found
> that
> our responses are denied for no apparent reason. I once commented on
> something and had it rejected. I didn't know why. My request for
> clarification was ignored, and so I for one only keep these list serves
> for
> general information.
>
> Sorry for this unfortunate response.
>
> Diane Vlasoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Aziza C
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:26 PM
> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>
> It's the Darian Angela and Aziza show, with our special guest Mike!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Darian Smith
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:16 PM
> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>
> I want to say so, but I'm really torn there- especially having been
> a "victum" of both miss-treatments of society.
> ....
> Gosh we need more people to comment on this list serve!!!
> *smile*
>
> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think its fundamentally the same thing though, just in more detail for
>> blind people... *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Angela Fowler
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:38 PM
>> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>
>> There is a crucial difference here. While foolish stereotypes exist, it
>> is
>> not perceived by many thinking people, or I have not seen it, that gender
> or
>> skin color effects one's ability to cross a street, cook a meal, or do
>> countless other simple tasks. The ability of blind people to do these
> things
>> is questioned daily. Therein lies our need to educate.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:28 PM
>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>
>> You will not get an arguement from me there. But what i respectfully
> submit
>> for consideration is this:
>> People of different skin colors/ethnic backgrounds likely don't feel
> like
>> they must educate, that it is their responsibility to change the
> perceptions
>> of the community around them all by themselves and or all of the time.
>> Is this the expectation that any blind person must have? that it is a
>> birth right/responsibility to educate?
>> Best,
>> Darian
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Women and people of various skin colors and backgrounds may not have
>>> to assert themselves now, however they did. Every minority has or will
>>> go through its own revolution. And, some would argue that women, and
>>> people of various races still do have to assert themselves. I would
>>> certainly say that as a female and a Hispanic one at that I must
>>> assert myself and prove myself to others. Just because women are mor
>>> accepted in everyday society as contributing members nowadays, doesn't
>>> mean the fight is over, and this can be said for all groups. Just a
>> thought.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:54 PM
>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>
>>> I did say that I was shifting things.
>>> Does a woman, a Latino/ african- american
>>> have to explain that they have just the same likelyhood to be
>>> successful that their male or white peers?
>>> that their skin color, or the way they speak does not determine
>>> their intelligence?
>>> does stopping to explain ourselves in fact add more attention to
>>> ourselves? I think there is something to the idea that we have a
>>> responsibility to educate, but I am not going to go around
>>> expecting the next blind person to do what I may be willing to do. I
>>> think it's important to realize an important fact: we are a minority,
>>> and speaking as a minority, I understand the ways people look at me,
>>> but I am not going to always look to change how a person looks at me.
>>> If I do try to change everyone, or even a majority of people's
>>> views about that minority group that I belong to, I'm probably not
>>> taking the time to enjoy life and I'm possibly thinking too much of
>>> myself as some sort of champion of a cause that has long been in
>>> affect before I am born and probably will be around long after I'm
>>> gone.
>>> personally, do I educate? yes, I do. But, I don't go out of my way
>>> to do it when I'm not having the paitionce to do it. and I do it
>>> because I want to.
>>> So, to bring it back to
>>> Aziza post 1: If in my judgement
>>> it's worth my time to do it, then I'll do it. What that means to a
>>> person is subjective.
>>>
>>> respectfully,
>>> Darian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Darian is a silent commentator? *looks disbelieving* lol
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:16 PM
>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Judgement defines intent. You can tell a lot about someone on how
>>>>> they approach you. I think. If someone is truly interested in
>>>>> blindness it is noticeable.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it isn't our responsibility to educate, who's is it? It may not
>>>>> be by default ours, but we have taken it on for the entire blind
>>>>> community, and tend to pass it on with what we've learned about the
>>>>> responsibility to
>>>> those
>>>>> blind people we meet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really sure how to respond to the third.
>>>>> AC
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:53 PM
>>>>> To: fowlers at syix.com; California Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Mailing
>>>> List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>
>>>>> slightly shifting the topic:
>>>>> I pose these questions for consideration to the list.
>>>>> 1. how can we realisticly judge intent?
>>>>> 2. what"makes it" our "responsibility" to educate?
>>>>> 3. when does education end and living our lives as the fully
>>>>> functioning, desire-having, dream-seeking human beings that we are
>>>>> begin?
>>>>> Darian
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/10, Angela Fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Aziza brings up a question which I've been wrestling with off and
>>>>>> on for almost a year.
>>>>>> At times I receive emails from people wanting to interview a blind
>>> person
>>>>> as
>>>>>> part of some project they are doing, or seeking information about
>>>>>> some
>>>>> other
>>>>>> aspect of life as a blind person. I rarely respond to such a
>>>>>> request, as much as anything because I can't verify that the person
>>>>>> making it is legitimate.
>>>>>> The dilemma however, is this. If the person making the request has
>>>>>> preconceived notions about blind people, and is trying to reinforce
>>> those
>>>>>> notions, nothing we say or do is likely to have any effect. On the
>>>>>> other hand, if the person making the request is open-minded,
>>>>>> thoughtful, and
>>> is
>>>>>> undertaking a project which is going to be seen by a wide variety
>>>>>> of
>>>>> people,
>>>>>> we have a good opportunity to educate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>> this is a very interesting topic, and I want to thank you for
>>>>>> bringing
>>>> it
>>>>>> up. I, like alot of us on this list are subscribed to alot of
>>>>>> blindness-related list serves and I find it interesting that some
>>>>> amungst
>>>>>> the sighted public turn to the blind as a sort of case study hot
> bed.
>>>>>> This said, it is difficult to say what is the case with the
>>>>> communication
>>>>>> you recieved, because only you have the ability to make
>>>>>> the determination with regards to what you have been approached
>>>>>> with. I guess it is really a judgement call. If you really think
>>>>>> that someone is taking interest in blindness just as a case
>>>>>> study, you obviously don't need to assist them, nor do you if
>>>>>> they seem to have
>>>> a
>>>>>> good cause behind their wishing to survay-interview you.
>>>>>> Basically, it's a subjective thing as I personally see it.
>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I may be completely off based, but I will let you decide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got a message on facebook from an individual who wants to write
>>>>>>> a paper on a blind person. Personally this infuriates me. It
>>>>>>> frustrates me that the only reason someone would contact me is to
>>>>>>> try and make their misconceptions fit into my life so they can
>>>>>>> write their paper and pretend they actually understand what its like
>> to be blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now don't get me wrong, I love to inform and teach, but there is a
>>>>>>> difference in sitting down and discussing blindness as a whole
>>>>>>> with someone pursuing an education in disability services, or
>>>>>>> allowing someone to document what kind of lives we lead, or even
>>>>>>> working with children who want to learn how to develop something
>>>>>>> to help the blind community. These kinds of efforts, in my opinion,
>> are helping us.
>>>>>>> However, when someone contacts me, as if I am a rare case study
>>>>>>> they must speak with because I am blind, I get a little frustrated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where does general affective curiosity cross the line into rude
>>>>>>> invasion of our blindness? How do we decide who to help with
>>>>>>> projects like these, and who is not really interested in
>>>>>>> blindness, but just wants a good topic to bluff his/her way
>>>>>>> through with preconceived false
>>>>>> notions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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