[Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
Darian Smith
dsmithnfb at gmail.com
Tue Oct 5 01:26:35 UTC 2010
and... clearly
On 10/4/10, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> what are you going to do? ask the dodgers to beat the giants in the
> playoffs? wait... they arn't in either!!
>
> Oh, Aziza what would a list serve be without your meaningless dribble
> *smile*
>
>
>
> On 10/4/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good job Darian. If I was left out... well it wouldn't bode well for
>> CABS.
>> lol
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:35 AM
>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>
>> couldn't have said it better myself, mike.
>> Diane, I hope you do post more oftin we would love to hear from you!
>> oh, and Angela, you don't post enough either!
>> and Aziza... just wanted to say your name so as to not leave you out!
>> *smile*
>>
>> On 10/4/10, Michael Peterson <its.mike at att.net> wrote:
>>> Good point Darian. Students are transitional by nature and therefore
>> the
>>> list composition changes constantly so does the manner of how people
>>> respond. Things like general membership and even elected officer
>>> composition can affect the types of responses one gets.
>>> Mike
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
>>> To: "California Association of Blind Students Mailing List"
>>> <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that it varies from list to list what you find the responce
>>> to be. I once posted to the national student list and found the
>>> list to be not very supportive and even a little hostile. Some
>>> years later I re-subscribed to the list and found it to be more
>>> open-m minded and supportive.
>>> If you have found this topic to be a topic that is uncomfortable
>>> then I'll directly appoligize as it was I who mis-directed it in the
>>> first place.
>>> I would, however highly encourage you to share questions, thoughts
>>> and stories that you think would be of benifitor are just thinking
>>> about, as this is a low-traffic list and we always enjoy a good
>>> topic thread!
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Darian
>>>
>>> On 10/4/10, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Diane,
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry that your list serve expirience has not beena positive
>>>> one!
>>>> It is not always the case that one's expirience always has to be
>>>> one not so supportitive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/4/10, Diane Vlasoff <vlasoff at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Aziza,
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of us who have commented on nfb list serves in the past have
>>>>> found
>>>>> that
>>>>> our responses are denied for no apparent reason. I once commented on
>>>>> something and had it rejected. I didn't know why. My request for
>>>>> clarification was ignored, and so I for one only keep these list
>>>>> serves
>>>>> for
>>>>> general information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for this unfortunate response.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diane Vlasoff
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Aziza C
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:26 PM
>>>>> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the Darian Angela and Aziza show, with our special guest Mike!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to say so, but I'm really torn there- especially having been
>>>>> a "victum" of both miss-treatments of society.
>>>>> ....
>>>>> Gosh we need more people to comment on this list serve!!!
>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I think its fundamentally the same thing though, just in more detail
>> for
>>>>>> blind people... *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Angela Fowler
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:38 PM
>>>>>> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a crucial difference here. While foolish stereotypes exist,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not perceived by many thinking people, or I have not seen it, that
>>>>>> gender
>>>>> or
>>>>>> skin color effects one's ability to cross a street, cook a meal, or
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> countless other simple tasks. The ability of blind people to do these
>>>>> things
>>>>>> is questioned daily. Therein lies our need to educate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:28 PM
>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You will not get an arguement from me there. But what i respectfully
>>>>> submit
>>>>>> for consideration is this:
>>>>>> People of different skin colors/ethnic backgrounds likely don't
>>>>>> feel
>>>>> like
>>>>>> they must educate, that it is their responsibility to change the
>>>>> perceptions
>>>>>> of the community around them all by themselves and or all of the
>> time.
>>>>>> Is this the expectation that any blind person must have? that it
>>>>>> is
>> a
>>>>>> birth right/responsibility to educate?
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Women and people of various skin colors and backgrounds may not have
>>>>>>> to assert themselves now, however they did. Every minority has or
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> go through its own revolution. And, some would argue that women, and
>>>>>>> people of various races still do have to assert themselves. I would
>>>>>>> certainly say that as a female and a Hispanic one at that I must
>>>>>>> assert myself and prove myself to others. Just because women are mor
>>>>>>> accepted in everyday society as contributing members nowadays,
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> mean the fight is over, and this can be said for all groups. Just a
>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:54 PM
>>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did say that I was shifting things.
>>>>>>> Does a woman, a Latino/ african- american
>>>>>>> have to explain that they have just the same likelyhood to be
>>>>>>> successful that their male or white peers?
>>>>>>> that their skin color, or the way they speak does not determine
>>>>>>> their intelligence?
>>>>>>> does stopping to explain ourselves in fact add more attention
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> ourselves? I think there is something to the idea that we have a
>>>>>>> responsibility to educate, but I am not going to go around
>>>>>>> expecting the next blind person to do what I may be willing to do.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> think it's important to realize an important fact: we are a
>>>>>>> minority,
>>>>>>> and speaking as a minority, I understand the ways people look at
>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>> but I am not going to always look to change how a person looks at
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>> If I do try to change everyone, or even a majority of people's
>>>>>>> views about that minority group that I belong to, I'm probably not
>>>>>>> taking the time to enjoy life and I'm possibly thinking too much of
>>>>>>> myself as some sort of champion of a cause that has long been in
>>>>>>> affect before I am born and probably will be around long after I'm
>>>>>>> gone.
>>>>>>> personally, do I educate? yes, I do. But, I don't go out of my way
>>>>>>> to do it when I'm not having the paitionce to do it. and I do it
>>>>>>> because I want to.
>>>>>>> So, to bring it back to
>>>>>>> Aziza post 1: If in my judgement
>>>>>>> it's worth my time to do it, then I'll do it. What that means to a
>>>>>>> person is subjective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Darian is a silent commentator? *looks disbelieving* lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:16 PM
>>>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Judgement defines intent. You can tell a lot about someone on how
>>>>>>>>> they approach you. I think. If someone is truly interested in
>>>>>>>>> blindness it is noticeable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it isn't our responsibility to educate, who's is it? It may not
>>>>>>>>> be by default ours, but we have taken it on for the entire blind
>>>>>>>>> community, and tend to pass it on with what we've learned about
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> responsibility to
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> blind people we meet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not really sure how to respond to the third.
>>>>>>>>> AC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:53 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: fowlers at syix.com; California Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>>>> Mailing
>>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> slightly shifting the topic:
>>>>>>>>> I pose these questions for consideration to the list.
>>>>>>>>> 1. how can we realisticly judge intent?
>>>>>>>>> 2. what"makes it" our "responsibility" to educate?
>>>>>>>>> 3. when does education end and living our lives as the fully
>>>>>>>>> functioning, desire-having, dream-seeking human beings that we are
>>>>>>>>> begin?
>>>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Angela Fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Aziza brings up a question which I've been wrestling with off and
>>>>>>>>>> on for almost a year.
>>>>>>>>>> At times I receive emails from people wanting to interview a
>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> part of some project they are doing, or seeking information about
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> aspect of life as a blind person. I rarely respond to such a
>>>>>>>>>> request, as much as anything because I can't verify that the
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> making it is legitimate.
>>>>>>>>>> The dilemma however, is this. If the person making the request
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> preconceived notions about blind people, and is trying to
>>>>>>>>>> reinforce
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> notions, nothing we say or do is likely to have any effect. On
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> other hand, if the person making the request is open-minded,
>>>>>>>>>> thoughtful, and
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> undertaking a project which is going to be seen by a wide variety
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> people,
>>>>>>>>>> we have a good opportunity to educate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>>>>>> this is a very interesting topic, and I want to thank you for
>>>>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> up. I, like alot of us on this list are subscribed to alot of
>>>>>>>>>> blindness-related list serves and I find it interesting that
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> amungst
>>>>>>>>>> the sighted public turn to the blind as a sort of case study
>>>>>>>>>> hot
>>>>> bed.
>>>>>>>>>> This said, it is difficult to say what is the case with the
>>>>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>>>>> you recieved, because only you have the ability to make
>>>>>>>>>> the determination with regards to what you have been
>>>>>>>>>> approached
>>>>>>>>>> with. I guess it is really a judgement call. If you really
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> that someone is taking interest in blindness just as a case
>>>>>>>>>> study, you obviously don't need to assist them, nor do you if
>>>>>>>>>> they seem to have
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> good cause behind their wishing to survay-interview you.
>>>>>>>>>> Basically, it's a subjective thing as I personally see it.
>>>>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I may be completely off based, but I will let you decide.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I got a message on facebook from an individual who wants to
>>>>>>>>>>> write
>>>>>>>>>>> a paper on a blind person. Personally this infuriates me. It
>>>>>>>>>>> frustrates me that the only reason someone would contact me is
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> try and make their misconceptions fit into my life so they can
>>>>>>>>>>> write their paper and pretend they actually understand what its
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to be blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now don't get me wrong, I love to inform and teach, but there is
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> difference in sitting down and discussing blindness as a whole
>>>>>>>>>>> with someone pursuing an education in disability services, or
>>>>>>>>>>> allowing someone to document what kind of lives we lead, or even
>>>>>>>>>>> working with children who want to learn how to develop something
>>>>>>>>>>> to help the blind community. These kinds of efforts, in my
>> opinion,
>>>>>> are helping us.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, when someone contacts me, as if I am a rare case study
>>>>>>>>>>> they must speak with because I am blind, I get a little
>> frustrated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where does general affective curiosity cross the line into rude
>>>>>>>>>>> invasion of our blindness? How do we decide who to help with
>>>>>>>>>>> projects like these, and who is not really interested in
>>>>>>>>>>> blindness, but just wants a good topic to bluff his/her way
>>>>>>>>>>> through with preconceived false
>>>>>>>>>> notions?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Darian Smith
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Chardin
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>>>>
>>>> "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
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>>>
>>>
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> “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
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>
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Darian Smith
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace
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