[Cabs] Report From Conference Call
Nimer Jaber
nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 16 07:15:14 UTC 2009
Thank you very much for your opinion. Any others? No doubt many are
against this idea. Some are against it because their friends are. Others
are because it's the "standard way" and people are opposed to change.
For you, I hope you will get over your narrow-mindedness. If you truly
are against it, that's cool. Why? If you are for it? why? I have given
my opinion on the subject, and hopefully it's clear.
Thanks
Nimer J
Nimer M. Jaber
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Maurice Mines wrote:
> i have answer to this that is just one word no! now take that and smoke it. call kd0iko.
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>
>> All right, I'm starting to get angry. So, I am going to restrict this
>> message to one-syllable words in the hope that you can understand. I,
>> Nimer Jaber do not have a problem with your math. I want CABS to talk
>> about a test that I think needs to be given to new board members to
>> make sure that they _can do math and spell and do what they need to to
>> do their job that they were voted to do.
>>
>> On 12/15/09, Diane<dianefilipe at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>> My point is, I don't know what problem you are having with my math.
>>> Diane
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nimer Jaber"<nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List"<cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes. Now, will you be kind enough to tell me your point?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Nimer J
>>>>
>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
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>>>> Diane wrote:
>>>>> Nimer,
>>>>> Please take a moment to address my math skills with me.
>>>>> $1030.87 - 600.00 = $430.87, correct?
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"<nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List"<cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> All right, let's start off point by point. Please look at your original
>>>>>>
>>>>>> message for my comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane wrote:
>>>>>>> Mr. Nimer,
>>>>>>> Number one, I do not have your $5 dues making you a paid member of CABS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for the 2009-2010 year.
>>>>>> NJ: You do not have this because of some unfortunate events, I was
>>>>>> unable to attend the state convention, as you no doubt already know.
>>>>>>> Number two, where on earth is my math error? I know it often takes
>>>>>>> more than one person to look over something and find possible errors,
>>>>>>> but I have no idea where you think I should start.
>>>>>> I was not criticizing you or anyone else. I simply believe that in order
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to be treasurer of CABS, some math skills ought to be had. Likewise, to
>>>>>> be a secretary, you should be able to take understandable and clear
>>>>>> notes. And to be president, I would hope that that person would have
>>>>>> some sort of leadership experience.
>>>>>>> Number three, you owe everyone an apology for your outburst. No one
>>>>>>> needs to be attacked or made to feel they are incompetent. Everyone
>>>>>>> deserves a chance!
>>>>>>> No one is perfect except for God, and we should all be allowed to
>>>>>>> continue to do the very best we can each day without the fear of
>>>>>>> ridicule.
>>>>>> Amen!! I was not attacking anyone, or making anyone feel ridiculed. If
>>>>>> anyone has any issues, please email me privately off list so as not to
>>>>>> clutter this list. I am willing to make a public apology to anyone who
>>>>>> felt ridiculed. I was simply saying this: I believe that the
>>>>>> constitution has issues. Members who can not for whatever reason fulfill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the requirements of the position that they are running for ought not to
>>>>>> be elected. The only way to judge whether or not someone is competent or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> capable enough to complete his/her tasks is by providing some sort of
>>>>>> test or qualifier that must be attained to before this person is
>>>>>> eligible to be in that office. For example, in order to run for US
>>>>>> presidency, you must meet an age requirement, a citizen requirement, and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a residency requirement. Same with congress members.
>>>>>>> In your lifetime, you will probably encounter a million different
>>>>>>> people. You won't like some of them, but you can not lash out at people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and intentionally hurt them.
>>>>>> This has nothing to do with whether or not I like anyone. I have no
>>>>>> issues with anyone on this list. If I have issues with a particular
>>>>>> individual, that is between me and that individual. I would never put
>>>>>> down that individual publicly on this list. I was addressing concerns I
>>>>>> had, and was hoping to have a civilized discussion about it, not be
>>>>>> attacked, told that the status quo is acceptable, and told I had to
>>>>>> apologize.
>>>>>>> You have no say in if our constitution is satisfactory or not. There
>>>>>>> are many great leaders in our organization who have put an incredible
>>>>>>> amount of pork into seeing that our constitution is just and fair.
>>>>>> I am sure that the leaders who put in tireless work and effort to form
>>>>>> the constitution indeed did a great job in forming it. I am simply
>>>>>> asking for opinions/discussions on amendments that I believe ought to be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> made in order to improve the running of CABS. And if I am a Colorado
>>>>>> Student, I am pretty sure I indeed do have a right to express my
>>>>>> opinions on issues that involve me. I do not have to be a paying member
>>>>>> to express my opinions and assist with changes. I do if I wish to vote,
>>>>>> and I will be. I believe that as a board member, it ought to be your
>>>>>> responsibility to learn who is permitted to express opinions, and who
>>>>>> isn't. Furthermore, if my opinion isn't welcome, then I am puzzled why I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> was permitted on this mailing list to begin with. There was no form of
>>>>>> verification when I signed up to this list that asked whether or not I
>>>>>> was a paying member of CABS.
>>>>>>> KI hope this is the last comment written on this subject. At least for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>> Please send your $5 to:
>>>>>>> 1455 44th Avenue Place
>>>>>>> Greeley, CO. 80634
>>>>>>> Please remember the reason for the season!
>>>>>>> Diane
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
>>>>>>> <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List"<cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:16 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've read over the constitution, and still find this to be
>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory. I understand the roles of each elected position. I
>>>>>>>> understand that Abel was elected fairly. What I don't understand is
>>>>>>>> this for your : Is there any test that one must take to be able to,
>>>>>>>> for instance, handle the CABS fund? Is there anything someone must do
>>>>>>>> to become secretary? If not, then yes, something like a month's
>>>>>>>> application ought to be submitted to the board. This application ought
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to include some basic questions. What is 1+2? How do you spell
>>>>>>>> committee? That type of thing. This ensures that those who are elected
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are fully competent and able to complete the job that they have been
>>>>>>>> assigned or elected to do. Again, I am not asking for a recall of
>>>>>>>> elections. I am not wishing to dispute the results of this year's
>>>>>>>> elections. I am simply asking whether or not there are any sorts of
>>>>>>>> tests that one must take to ensure that he/she is competent enough to
>>>>>>>> complete their duties as officer on the CABS board. If they are not in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> place, I am suggesting that they should be put in place, and I am
>>>>>>>> willing to draft a proposal and submit it to whoever for discussion
>>>>>>>> and adoption by the board, or whoever needs to adopt it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marty Rahn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> Nimer, Thank you for bringing up these concerns. I did receive the
>>>>>>>>> message which you sent, and would like to address the question which
>>>>>>>>> you pose about the requirements that one must fulfil in order to
>>>>>>>>> serve on the board. According to Article V, of the Constitution of
>>>>>>>>> our devision, entitled, "officers and Their Duties," it states the
>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>> "Section One: Officers
>>>>>>>>> There shall be elected at the regular annual business meeting a
>>>>>>>>> President Vice President Second Vice President a Secretary and a
>>>>>>>>> Treasurer The terms of their offices shall begin at the close of the
>>>>>>>>> annual business meeting at which they are elected and qualified
>>>>>>>>> Officers shall be elected by a majority vote of all members present
>>>>>>>>> and voting There shall be no proxy voting if no nominee receives a
>>>>>>>>> majority vote on the first ballot the name of the person receiving
>>>>>>>>> the least votes will be removed from the list of nominees and a
>>>>>>>>> second ballot recorded This procedure shall continue until one
>>>>>>>>> candidate receives a simple majority of the votes The holders of the
>>>>>>>>> offices of President, Vice President, and Second Vice President must
>>>>>>>>> be students who are blind and planning to attend an educational
>>>>>>>>> program in the academic year following the election All other
>>>>>>>>> officers may be blind or sighted students and must be planning to
>>>>>>>>> attend an educational program in the academic year following the
>>>>>>>>> election
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Section Two: Duties
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The duties of each officer shall be those ordinarily associated with
>>>>>>>>> that office."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have also atached the Constitution in its Entirety to this message
>>>>>>>>> should anyone else care to take a look at the document that governs
>>>>>>>>> our devision. In short, Abel was fairly elected by the paying
>>>>>>>>> membership of this devision to the position of Secretary, and there
>>>>>>>>> is nothing in our Constitution which allows me to replace him or any
>>>>>>>>> other officer who has been elected by those who have paid their dues.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have read through our Constitution twice now, and this is one of
>>>>>>>>> sevral reasons why I have not yet answered the message you sent me
>>>>>>>>> inquiring about the position of Secretary.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In your reply to one of Melissa's messages, you state that you
>>>>>>>>> believe there needs to be safeguards in place to ensure that everyone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> elected to the CABS board meets the requirements set forth in the
>>>>>>>>> Constitution. Have you given any thought to what these safeguards
>>>>>>>>> might entail? Should we ask for some type of varification about a
>>>>>>>>> candidates visual impairment and their school status to be submitted
>>>>>>>>> to the board before we proceed with elections? Should this
>>>>>>>>> information be sent idealy a month or so ahead of time so that
>>>>>>>>> elections can take place unimpeeded? The long and short of this
>>>>>>>>> uniquely human problem is that there are numerous people, including
>>>>>>>>> myself, who have responsibilities,priorities, and lives outside of
>>>>>>>>> their duties to the devision. No one person can be everywhere at
>>>>>>>>> once, nore is it my responsibility to personally handhold and babysit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> everyone to make sure that everything gets done. We are all adults,
>>>>>>>>> and should at least be able to prioritize our responsibilities on
>>>>>>>>> their level of importants. With that said, we all have different
>>>>>>>>> views about the level of importance assigned to each task in our
>>>>>>>>> lives. Just like with committees established by the state Board of
>>>>>>>>> Directors, committees must meet and commence with their tasks at a
>>>>>>>>> time that is mutually benificial for all members. This means that
>>>>>>>>> committee chairs must take responsibility to answer emails or phone
>>>>>>>>> calls from members. While I realize that the information about
>>>>>>>>> committee appointments was apparently not received by everyone, it
>>>>>>>>> has now been sent out, and there should be no question about whom one
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is to contact in order to serve on a committee, or to ask a question.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can not go back and undo what has already been done, but we can
>>>>>>>>> move forward and try to make things better. Ideally, every
>>>>>>>>> organization strives for transparency, and CABS should be no
>>>>>>>>> different. However, in order to achieve this, we must all work
>>>>>>>>> together. I can not address problems until I am made aware of them,
>>>>>>>>> so let's keep diologuing in hopes of reaching a satisfactory level of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> transparency.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marty Rahn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> president, Colorado Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
>>>>>>>>> <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List"<cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:52 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No doubt many would disagree with my opinion, and some may believe
>>>>>>>>>> that I am being too harsh. However, if a secretary can't form notes
>>>>>>>>>> that are spelled correctly, have proper grammar, and takes half of
>>>>>>>>>> the conference call to discuss notes which are still messed up, then
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't put much faith in the secretary elected to represent the
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado Students. Are there no requirements other than being a
>>>>>>>>>> student to fulfill the role of secretary, or any position for that
>>>>>>>>>> matter? I should hope that my treasurer can count and keep track of
>>>>>>>>>> funds, my secretary can take notes that, while brief, are
>>>>>>>>>> understandable, and my president can return emails when I send them
>>>>>>>>>> out. So far, I have emailed a request to the president regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> requirements for board positions. I want to know what is required to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> be a secretary or a treasurer of CABS. Also, if there was any effort
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever put into the website, this process would be transparent
>>>>>>>>>> and no questions would need to be asked. Now, maybe some will see
>>>>>>>>>> this email as some guy writing an email to ramble about things,
>>>>>>>>>> however, I wave offered to work on the site, I have offered to help
>>>>>>>>>> out with many other things, in fact. Many of these such things keep
>>>>>>>>>> on getting delayed. For example, while I brought issues about the
>>>>>>>>>> website up two months ago, I was told at the last meeting that a
>>>>>>>>>> meeting of the tech committee wouldn't take place until next month.
>>>>>>>>>> I was also told over a week ago at the last conference call that a
>>>>>>>>>> list of committee members (a full list) would be sent out to this
>>>>>>>>>> list, and unless something is going on with my email, I have not
>>>>>>>>>> received such a list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My hope with taking up bandwidth in posting this message is to see
>>>>>>>>>> change, and I hope that our leadership will rise up and answer the
>>>>>>>>>> call with transparency. If guidelines are not set, I hope they _will
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _be set. Abel, this message was in no way intended to hurt your
>>>>>>>>>> feelings, and I am sure that there are many other positions that you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> would be better suited to on the CABS board. However, the secretary
>>>>>>>>>> ought to be able to speak clearly, read and write minutes, and post
>>>>>>>>>> them to a forum such as this list in a timely manner hopefully to be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> determined by CABS. I know we are all busy, but this shouldn't be an
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> excuse for a lack of transparency. Also, if anyone got their
>>>>>>>>>> feelings hurt and wishes to discuss it with me, please email me
>>>>>>>>>> privately at nimerjaber1 at gmail.com and I will do my best to
>>>>>>>>>> alleviate your concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your time in reading this message, and I look forward
>>>>>>>>>> to any responses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Abel Ayalew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> December 6, 2009was our first Conference call After the convention.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> meeting started at 6.45 P.M. Marty, Mellisa, Maurice, Nimer, Esha,
>>>>>>>>>>> Becky,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arille, and Abel were present at the meeting. Treasury report
>>>>>>>>>>> $430.87
>>>>>>>>>>> balance of available. People are assigned committee. Every one
>>>>>>>>>>> selling candy
>>>>>>>>>>> in there campus. The next Conference Call will be in January 17,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010 at 7
>>>>>>>>>>> P.M. January 21, 2010 will be a trip to the Colorado school for the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> blind to
>>>>>>>>>>> talk to the student. The meeting adjourn at 8 P.M.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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