[Colorado-Talk] Missouri Avenue, Christ revealed

[David Andrews]

He has already wron out his welcome on 
faith-talk. He is more interested in discussing his world view than blindness!


Dave

At 04:24 PM 2/27/2020, Jessica Beecham via Colorado-Talk wrote:
>Hello Thank you for your thoughtful surmount. 
>This is a list serve focusing on issues unique 
>to the blind of Colorado. If you are interested 
>in connecting with other people about faith 
>related issues, there is a National Communities 
>of Faith division. I have copied their president 
>Tom Anderson on this email. They have a list 
>where I am sure you are welcome to post faith 
>related things. Let’s please keep this list 
>relevant to blindness in Colorado. Otherwise we 
>are doing a disservice to those who use this 
>list to stay up to date on important affiliate 
>updates and information. Best Wishes Jessica 
>Beecham Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2020, 
>at 12:56 PM, Mustafa Almahdy via Colorado-Talk 
><colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Hello, 
>this is Mustafa and I am interested to speak to 
>you folks about > your faith. I would like to 
>start with basic elements. Although the > tale 
>of Adam and Eve in Eden  is initially mentioned 
>in Genesis, the > current concept of Original 
>Sin as known by Christians nowadays and > 
>yesterday has been initially and essentially 
>developed by Saul of > Tarsus whom Christians 
>generically refer to as, Saint Paul. This > 
>concept is basically the backbone of Christian 
>faith as we know it > today. Unlike the Koran, 
>the Bible is thought to be majorly parted to > 
>Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, 
>God is clearly one and > such concepts of Jesus 
>being divine, the Trinity etc, haven’t been > 
>mentioned there. True, Christian apologists 
>unsuccessfully attempt to > strangely interpret 
>things like, let’s make man in our immage and 
>so > on, still, that doesn’t explicitly speak 
>of what has been later > inserted by Paul and 
>other authors. There are 29 verse of Jesus > 
>praying throughout the parables. I just don’t 
>know folks, where could > I go with Luke 6:12 as 
>it says: “It was at this time that He went 
>off > to the mountain to pray, and He spent the 
>whole night in prayer to > God.” How could he 
>be divine afterward? How are you folks able to > 
>intently dispose of such plain evidence and 
>falsely  stick to what is > implicitly 
>construed? It is quite odd for me to be 
>deceitful of myself > as such. Jesus has been 
>plainly portrayed as someone who devotes > 
>himself to submit in full recognition and 
>obeisance to Allah glory be > to Him. Had he 
>been divine, he would have not demanded to 
>implore onto > the most High. At his time of 
>cataclysm, he prayed onto his Lord to > help 
>him. In Matthew 26:39, it says: “And He went a 
>little beyond > them, and fell on His face and 
>prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is > possible, 
>let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, 
>but as You > will." Is this the disposal of an 
>exalted being? Muslims therefore > believe, that 
>Jesus, peace be upon him was sent to people by 
>God to > deliver His message to them. That was 
>the same mission of Moses, > David, Solomon, 
>John, Zechariah, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, 
>Jacob > and so on. Implicit in that, Islam is 
>the religion of all those > prophets, as they 
>have been sealed by Muhammad, peace and 
>blessings be > upon him. In Islam, God doesn’t 
>need someone to die on the Cross to > forgive 
>us. He glory be to Him is providentially 
>Omnipotent  and > eminently Self-sufficient to 
>do so. The Christian concept of > redemption is 
>intellectually purblind. As plainly stated in 
>the > parables, Jesus has unappeasably implored 
>to God in seclusion. That’s > the common 
>temperament of the pious. He thence couldn’t 
>be worshipping > and being worshipped 
>simultaneously. I urge you folks to seek the > 
>truth and deferentially comply to it. Despite 
>the consequences, truth > is loud and worthy to 
>be unconditionally consecrated. Let us just be > 
>impartial as we view such critical matters. I 
>sternly urge you to > substantially reassess and 
>redress your theological belief. Basically, > 
>everything you hold up to is invented by Saul, 
>the former Jewish > persecutor of Christ’s 
>actual disciples. Someone has just to be an 
>oaf > and a moron to allegedly entrust Saul of 
>Tarsus, this awful ratter, > kidder, slicker and 
>immense chiseller. I can see how and why you 
>might > had felt outraged. Nonetheless, it 
>isn’t my destined intent to provoke > your 
>offence. Basically, I have been demanded by some 
>to read the > Bible. Well, after I read its 
>whole books and chapters couple of > times, I 
>caught the main theme and its obviously 
>contradicting > narrative. I haven’t done so 
>because I am anxious or tentative about > Islam. 
>I was just kind of curious and, theology in 
>genral is > concurrently my major and passion. I 
>therefore am quite settled > regarding my 
>convictions of Islam being the true and uniquely 
>proper > faith. I am scholarly motivated. I 
>thence have noticed and kind of > disliked how 
>missionary activists tend to approach 
>incompetent Muslim > individuals and unethically 
>pose misconceptions to them. Why do you > 
>deliberately evade confronting those of adequate 
>status in the field? > Aren’t you confident 
>enough about your disposition? Ultimately, up > 
>until now, you all are shamefully paltering 
>about the alleged > proclamation of Christ’s 
>deification in the scripture. Throughout the > 
>four Gospels, Jesus never explicitly, declared 
>his divinity. To the > contrary though, he has 
>constantly attributed primacy and exhibited > 
>full submission and obedience to the Father, in 
>other word, God in > Jewish traditional terms. 
>John 11:41-42, “So they took away the stone. > 
>Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank 
>you that you have > heard me. I knew that you 
>always hear me, but I said this > for the 
>benefit of the people standing here, that they 
>may believe > that you sent me.” So, had he 
>been truly divine, he would have > straightly 
>said, I am God incarnate, as Christians claim. 
>So, we’re > addressing here a crucial factor. 
>Christians allegedly assert that > Jesus claimed 
>to be God. I say fine, where is that in the 
>Bible? They > then either quote sayings of Jesus 
>that are implicit, in other words, > competent 
>of being broadly interpreted and discerned or, 
>rely on what > has been said by this liar, Paul. 
>The latter is conspicuously > notorious of being 
>the primal persecutor of Christ’s actual 
>disciples. > All of a sudden, on his way to 
>Damascus, he allegedly had a vision > whereas 
>Jesus has eh, appeared to him. Is that a 
>credible figure for > you? I noticed that some 
>of you assume that prophet Muhammad, peace > and 
>blessings be upon him has lied about God. Well, 
>I tell you this, > inevitably, all Hadith, which 
>is a tradition based on reports of the > sayings 
>and activities of prophet Muhammad peace and 
>blessings be upon > him, his companions and 
>their apprentices, known terminologically as > 
>the followers, is essentially grounded on 
>immense integrity, relevance > and high 
>application of morality. So, someone who relates 
>something > about the prophet, his companions or 
>even the generation after them > has to be 
>trustworthy, accurate, credible, and of eminent 
>excellence. > Is any of that applied to the path 
>which through the Bible has been > transmitted? 
>So for instance, this man Mark, what is his full 
>name? We > knew the proper biographical record 
>of the leastwise of any vector in > a chain of 
>reporters that pertained to any Hadith. His 
>birth, > upbringing, his teachers, reputation, 
>reliance and even his death date > and region. 
>Do you know the full biography of Luke? The 
>process of the > two texts is substantially 
>different. I wish to see someone with > 
>sufficient courage to tackle this challenging 
>concern. Look everyone, > I knew all about this. 
>All converts to Christianity are doing so for > 
>immigration, visa issuance and permanent 
>residence purposes. For them, > the States is a 
>final destination. Nonetheless, as of myself, I 
>am of > different disposal. I wish to make you 
>bear witness against yourselves > for intently 
>disposing those of sufficient adequacy and 
>seeking to > raptly pick out people of zero 
>caveat and of extreme poverty and > ignorance to 
>gradually proselytise to them. This constantly 
>occur in > majorly developing nations and 
>refugee camps. It troubles me indeed, > seeing 
>bungling individuals poorly taken advantage of 
>as such. I > sternly look forward to someone of 
>the missionary or the pastoral > arena 
>responding to this sort of allegation I am 
>afraid. Neglecting me > though, shall make this 
>accusatory proposition more firm and > 
>confirmed. Let us be honest and plain. I 
>unfortunately have wholly > exposed 
>evangelist’s vicious shenanigan. Some may go 
>to college campus > and opt Muslim students who 
>are not sufficiently aware of theological > 
>matters to pose misconceptions to them. These 
>detrimental notions are > often affiliated with 
>racial disparity. Well, such as, what brought > 
>you here? Go back to your country and so on. 
>Calling a Church the > white flag reflects this 
>intrinsical assumption of allegedly favouring > 
>Caucasian race. Hasn’t it been essentially 
>based on superiority > complex of their own 
>complexion, they would have not been so > 
>denotative. I delt for awhile with southern 
>Christians. Thus,  I knew > what I am talking 
>about. They measuredly derogate those of 
>darker > complexion. This ethical scandal is 
>broadly known about them. That’s > why they 
>fond Trump, despite his evil character. I 
>respectfully demand > you folks to confront me. 
>Whether the ranking staff of Alpha and Omega > 
>or the White Flag, you both are mutually 
>addressed with this strident > rhetoric. I 
>challenge you to show me in the whole Bible, 
>just one > statement, clearly uttered on the 
>lips of Jesus Christ, openly > demanding 
>divinity. I urge you to look for this in the 
>whole scripture > and it won’t ever be found, 
>basically because, it just doesn’t exist. > If 
>I ever caught this as described above, I shall 
>then be christened > instantly. What does 
>Matthew 14:23 say? “After he had dismissed 
>them, > he went up on a mountainside by himself 
>to pray. When evening came, he > was there 
>alone.” Honestly, is that the disposal of 
>someone with > divine nature? With 
>this  criticising rhetoric, I address 
>someone’s > basic intellect. Obviously, Jesus 
>ate, slept and prayed. With this in > mind, how 
>could he be divine then? Well, it was in the 
>fourth > ecumenical council of Chalcedon, when 
>the Hypostatic union doctrine > has been 
>ultimately professed. This is an essential 
>factor to think > of. Typically, people of 
>pastoral devotion tend to intently evade > 
>conversing about such subjects. Basically, these 
>philosophical > discernments have appeared later 
>in Christian theological history. > Well, common 
>pastors etc won’t admit that. They will simply 
>attempt to > palter. Well, that’s the problem, 
>they don’t want to admit their > absolute 
>failure on that regard. I therefore call pastors 
>truth > avoiders. They deliberately mislead 
>their audience. In order to attain > their 
>religious objective of converting mortals, they 
>tend to deceive, > evade and prettify. Jesus is 
>plainly divulged in the parables. > Throughout 
>them, he never expressed divinity of himself. 
>Not once > folks, not once. Well, how is that 
>conveniently disposed? I honestly > don’t 
>know, how are they capable of reposing their 
>conscience as such? > Each and every wording 
>spoken by Jesus confirms the fact that he is a > 
>prophet of God. He certainly has spoken with 
>divine inspiration rather > than essence. Well I 
>hope after this lengthy demonstration, I’ll 
>be > confronted by someone who has sufficient 
>courage and proper knowledge > to deeply 
>converse with me concerning what I proposed. 
>This is > theologian Mustafa from Cairo Egypt. I 
>keenly look forward to hearing > from someone 
>with deferent characteristics to thoroughly speak with.