[Colorado-Talk] Perspectives on Sleepshades

Sat Jan 18 23:32:52 UTC 2020

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 4:24 PM Yolanda Thompson via Colora Yes I
definitely agree with you on the fact that people do you have different
methods when it comes to learning things. That’s what I said about the
sleep shades is that I think that they are very productive for people that
are slowly losing their vision over time but for us people that have stable
vision and are not in danger of losing it anytime soon should not be
required to do that sleep shade training. I think we should be taught how
to do stuff without using our vision but we should also learn how to use
our vision and know when to use it and we’re not to use it. I know
sometimes when I use my vision I get frustrated when I can’t find something
so I will just not use my vision and I can find it just fine. do-Talk <
colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Each one of us has different methods of learning, different comfort
> zones, and different abilities. The diversity is wonderful, and offers
> a world perspective of life.
>
> I have worked in the Vocational Rehabilitation Services area for over
> thirty years, and have had the fortune to observe so many aspects of
> training.
>
> Ninety-five percent of all blindness is progressive. As a result, one
> of the thoughts of sleepshade training is your time is valuable. As a
> result, since most blindness is progressive, we want to teach you how
> to live life without relying on your residual vision. Once these
> skills are learned minus residual vision, when more vision is lost, or
> when the headaches from eye strain hit, you are not slowed down from
> doing what you choose/want to do. When raising a child with residual
> vision, I encourage him to learn blindness skills so that he could do
> homework, chores, etc. without relying on his vision and still be able
> to enjoy a game or movie at night using his residual vision. This most
> certainly is not the answer for everyone, but I have worked with so
> many blind people who were employed, truly believed their vision was
> "stable" and then had it regress. This turned their life completely
> upside down. Then, I have seen blind employees who invested in the
> blindness skills method loose more vision and have to make a small
> adjustment to put into affect the skills they had already invested in
> learning.
> Whichever path you choose for yourself is not right or wrong, it is
> for you, and only you can make that decision. Just remember not to let
> blindness be the nuisance that prohibits you from that trip, that
> challenge, that next reach.
>
>
> On 1/18/20, Bryan Baldwin via Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> > So the purpose of us using sleep shades is for people to not rely on
> their
> > vision for tasks. Everyone has different vision, but this still instills
> the
> > fact that there are other ways of doing it without looking at it. Sure
> > people can have good teachers but it doesn't stop your brain from
> > automatically trying to use your eyes.
> > It opened up a whole new world that I was unaware of, and honestly, if
> > someone taught me without them, I know my brain would struggle to not
> use my
> > eyes, and I wouldn't learn as much. If you're learning to cross a street
> in
> > the day and have some vision, you're going to spot the white lines or see
> > the other side and in that, you're not fully focusing on your other
> senses
> > and how to properly navigate that without your vision. So when it comes
> to
> > at night when you can't see or in whatever situation you're in, your
> brain
> > has been trying to use your eyes so much that you don't actually retain
> the
> > info given with them on.
> >
> > I have seen people come into training who have had training using low
> vision
> > that couldn't do things in a safe manner with sleep shades on. People
> that
> > say they have night blindness, or that the sun messes with their eyes.
> >
> > And it's not just something I talk about, I'm someone who lives it. And
> > deals with it between me and my students every day.
> >
> > It still doesn't affect the point that it's training for those who want
> it.
> > If you don't agree with it, then great, but being negative about things
> > isn't helping anyone. If you don't like it, go to one of the many many
> many
> > state centers or other centers from differing organizations. You don't
> need
> > to argue with people that feel it works for them and are encouraging
> people
> > to do it. They are just looking out for their family. We just want
> eachother
> > to be successful no matter what way you have to go about it.
> > Instead of going against it, just leave it alone for the people who want
> it.
> > You can go to DVR, or Iowa, or Nebraska, or Virginia. I would encourage
> > those who have gone through training with sleep shades to also not look
> down
> > on those who decide not to. In the end it doesn't matter so long as they
> are
> > living their lives as they please and being the ones in control of their
> > lives.
> >
> > There is no need for argument, or hurt feelings or negativity towards
> > anyone. We're all just trying to find our way in this world the best we
> know
> > how.
> >
> > I'm not here to argue any points. I've just provided info that people
> have
> > hit upon.
> >
> > Now let's just return to living our lives and focusing on the more
> important
> > point that is our freedom. Our children's education. Our expectations
> from
> > the public. Our ability to be a member of society and not a second class
> > citizen. Our sub-minimum wages. Our children being taken away from us.
> >
> > It doesn't matter how you accomplish this, just that we work together as
> one
> > body. As the National Federation of the Blind.
> >
> > Bryan Baldwin
> >
> >> On Jan 18, 2020, at 2:46 PM, sandy schleich via Colorado-Talk
> >> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> I did not know that we had a volunteer division. I will have to look
> into
> >> that. Since I am still looking for a job, I have been doing volunteer
> work
> >> with a few different places.
> >> I don’t understand what the purpose is behind the sleep shades. I can
> >> understand why someone who is sighted would try them. Someone who is
> >> sighted and uses sleep shades only gets a taste of what it is like for
> us
> >> who are blind, but what purpose does it serve for someone who is already
> >> low vision? Unless a person with low vision is going to lose the rest of
> >> their usable vision over time, then the shades are good to help them get
> >> use to what it will be like when their vision is gone in the future, but
> >> for those of us who are not in danger of this should not be required to
> >> use the shades and be able to use the vision that they have. Like
> someone
> >> else said, we should be able to use all the tools in our toolbox, and if
> >> some vision is one of those tools they should be able to use it. I
> >> disagree with the analogy about going to a college and saying you want
> to
> >> graduate but don’t want to use the books that are required for the
> >> classes. Going to the center is not the same thing as taking classes in
> >> college for a degree. From what I understand, people go to the centers
> to
> >> learn how to do things as a blind person so they can be an independent
> >> blind person. Making a person who has useable vision that is not in
> danger
> >> of loosing that usable vision in the future does not need to learn how
> to
> >> do things totally blind. They should be taught how to do things with the
> >> tools they have and if useable vision is one of those tools than they
> >> should be able to use it. I have useable vision, and I use my vision for
> >> some things, and there are things I can’t use my vision for because it
> is
> >> too difficult, so I have learned to do those things a different way that
> >> doesn’t involve vision. I did not need sleep shades to learn to do this
> I
> >> just needed a good teacher.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:27 AM Dianna Alley via Colorado-Talk
> >>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> That is one person's opinion.  I can live the life I want myself
> without
> >>> sleep shades.  I have done it 38 years now, but to each their own.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
> Bryan
> >>> Baldwin via Colorado-Talk
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 7:51 PM
> >>> To: NFB of Colorado Discussion List <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: Bryan Baldwin <blindside59 at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Colorado-Talk] my thoughts on living the life you want
> >>>
> >>> Hey there, it's your friendly neighborhood travel instructor.
> >>>
> >>> As someone who has over 2,000 hours of sleep shade experience I know
> how
> >>> irritating they can be.
> >>>
> >>> We offer people bandanas to put under for comfort, as well as you have
> >>> the option to find something nice to place under them.
> >>>
> >>> And at the end of the day, being uncomfortable for 9 months is worth
> the
> >>> lifetime of freedom it gives you.
> >>>
> >>> I don't wear sunglasses and generally don't like things on my face.
> But I
> >>> won't let irritation stand between me and the life I want to live.
> >>>
> >>> We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
> >>>
> >>> Bryan Baldwin
> >>>
> >>> > On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Pipi Adams via Colorado-Talk
> >>> > <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Jenny,
> >>> > Have you talked to Julie about training and the sleep shades?
> >>> >
> >>> > Sincerely,
> >>> > Pipi Adams
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Jenny Perdue via Colorado-Talk
> >>> >> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi there,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sleep shades are not an option for me. I cannot have anything on my
> >>> >> face, hence the reason I don’t wear sunglasses even though I have
> >>> >> light sensitivity.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I think that is a Accommodation that should be made for those of us
> >>> >> who can’t do it.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Why should we miss the chance to have an NFB training just because
> we
> >>> >> can’t we are sleep shades? Just a thought.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What is adjustment training. I haven’t received that either.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Jenny
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Maryann Migliorelli via
> Colorado-Talk
> >>> >>>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Hi Jenny, it is absolutely worth a conversation to talk to Julie
> or
> >>> >>> someone at the center and explain what things you believe you can
> >>> >>> want to. The centers certainly are able to adjust the requirements
> to
> >>> >>> meet somebody’s needs. As far as things like sleep, shades it’s
> best
> >>> >>> to think of them as just part of the curriculum. You couldn’t go
> to a
> >>> >>> college and say ”I want to graduate but I don’t want to use the
> >>> >>> textbook you’re providing.” I’m not saying this specifically to you
> >>> >>> but the others were thinking about canes and sleep shades. I think
> >>> >>> about it like attending the physics class and saying, ”That’s
> great,
> >>> >>> but I don’t want to use the physics textbook you have.”  It
> wouldn’t
> >>> >>> be accepted.   Most people do have some  choices about which
> centers
> >>> >>> too attend.You can choose a Center anywhere in the country if you
> can
> >>> >>> justify why you need that over another place. It is not easy, but
> it
> >>> >>> is part of the freedom of choice act.
> >>> >>> On another subject entirely I’m very proud to hear of your
> volunteer
> >>> >>> accomplishments. Are you aware that we have a community service
> >>> >>> division? It sounds like something you should really consider
> >>> >>> joining. Any of the activities are by    phone.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Being a homemaker is certainly a good profession, even though
> >>> >>> vocational rehab doesn’t consider it so. There used to be a time
> when
> >>> >>> their were services or people whowork at home taking care of
> >>> >>> families. Perhaps we can look into that again as an organization
> and
> >>> >>> ensure that Blind parents are able to get skills that they need and
> >>> >>> technology that facilitates then being at home.
> >>> >>> Scott, please think as I do that using assistance and crossing
> cards
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> is certainly a choice. There certainly is an opposite choice which
> >>> >>> is much less desire such as staying home or completely relying on
> >>> >>> somebody to do what you need for you. Either way living the life
> you
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> want  is about making your own choices instead of having somebody
> >>> >>> make them for you
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I apologize for the length of the message and several subjects,
> but I
> >>> >>> wanted to get them all in while I am making the choice to ride a
> >>> >>> greyhound from New York City to Albany. Have a wonderful day.
> >>> >>> At your service,
> >>> >>> Sent from Maryann Migliorelli's iPhone
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 5:58 AM, Jenny Perdue via Colorado-Talk
> >>> >>>>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Hi Melissa, I enjoyed your comments greatly.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Yes you’re told the requirements for CCB, but if you can’t be
> under
> >>> >>>> sleep shade, if there are things that you can’t do. You shouldn’t
> >>> >>>> just be booted out because you don’t meet the requirements.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I thought if anyone the NFB‘s Colorado Center for the blind would
> be
> >>> >>>> Accommodating and such as that. I have never called, because
> >>> >>>> honestly, all the centers for the blind sound like their run very
> >>> >>>> similarly and I don’t think that I would really be able to do it.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Everybody doesn’t fit in a box. And that includes those of us with
> >>> >>>> multiple health problems.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I am so grateful for this Dialogue, conversation. Thank everybody
> >>> >>>> for being so wonderful and understanding. Even the thoughts that
> we
> >>> >>>> don’t agree on, we can still respect them.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Jenny
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Melissa R. Green via Colorado-Talk
> >>> >>>>>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> First, thank you Scott. For sharing your views and the
> background.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Now, I will share my thoughts, and then continue to comment and
> >>> >>>>> read, as webbl as live the life I want.
> >>> >>>>> Growing up, I got little mentions of the NFB. Like many I got the
> >>> >>>>> little callendars in braille. My teachers would give it to me.'
> as
> >>> >>>>> a gift.
> >>> >>>>> I didn't really know about the NFB until 1992.
> >>> >>>>> I had made up my mind that I was not going to be in any more
> >>> >>>>> organizations. I was leaving the ACB. I was done.
> >>> >>>>> So I sat at the table with my aunt and a couple of people that I
> >>> >>>>> had met. While Peggy Pinder, at that time, walked around the
> room,
> >>> >>>>> and my aunt whispering in my ear about her.
> >>> >>>>> I didn't like it. But, Peggy came over and spent time with me.
> >>> >>>>> Thats where I met my cousin who was a leader in the federation. I
> >>> >>>>> did join.
> >>> >>>>> I read the braille monitor. I kept reaning it when I moved back
> to
> >>> >>>>> NewJersey.
> >>> >>>>> No matter how depressed or upset I got about the commission not
> >>> >>>>> helping me, I stikl kept reading the braille monitor, and
> teaching
> >>> >>>>> myself things like computers.
> >>> >>>>> As well as talking with my cousin. Him encouraging and listening
> >>> >>>>> and making suggestions.
> >>> >>>>> One day I got a cabbl, from Mrs. Maurer. She told me about the
> >>> >>>>> centers. I got a better response from Diane Mcgeorge.
> >>> >>>>> Smile! We started working me getting to CCB.
> >>> >>>>> After, the NFB of NJ president, joined the reverend moon church,
> >>> >>>>> and lots ot talks with Duncan, and asked to consider mo"ing to
> >>> >>>>> Colorado.
> >>> >>>>> I moved and yes as the youngest, my mom came with me. I got flack
> >>> >>>>> for that, but it worked out.
> >>> >>>>> For me it was more than river rafting, cooking a big meal, and
> rock
> >>> >>>>> climbing. I learned that the center gives you choices and the
> >>> >>>>> training is tools in my tool box.
> >>> >>>>> We had many students that had other disabilities. Their program
> >>> >>>>> was indevidualized. The staff worked to help these students. One
> >>> >>>>> student had a stroke. It was other diffeculties that were
> >>> >>>>> hendering her, the staff didn't kick her to the can-rb, they
> found
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> other programs for her. Nother student graduated and recieved his
> >>> >>>>> bell. I tell you all of this because, CCB will try, and sometimes
> >>> >>>>> they have a comversation about if this program will work for the
> >>> >>>>> person. As someone that is human, I get tired of people blaming
> >>> >>>>> the center for the program. You are told the requirements, and if
> >>> >>>>> not, then it
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Have a enjoyable and blessed day.
> >>> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>> >>>>> Melissa R.  Green and Pj
> >>> >>>>> "If you have a goal, make it something you strive to accomplish.
> If
> >>> >>>>> you have a hope, then hope for it with all your heart.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>>>> From: Scott C. LaBarre via Colorado-Talk
> >>> >>>>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >>>>> To: colorado-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>> >>>>> Date: 01/07/2020 5:02 pm
> >>> >>>>> Subject: [Colorado-Talk] my thoughts on living the life you want
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> First of all, I want to wish everyone here a very happy new
> year!
> >>> >>>>>> My hope is that 2020 will be outstanding for all of us.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Next, I want to thank Jenny for raising the topic of what our
> >>> >>>>>> tagline "live the life you want!" really means.  I appreciate
> >>> >>>>>> everyone's thoughtful comments about how it should be
> interpreted
> >>> >>>>>> and implemented.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Before I delve into the substance of my comments, I want to give
> >>> >>>>>> you a little  background which helps to form my perspective.  I
> >>> >>>>>> first joined the NFB in 1986, and I have had the honor and
> >>> >>>>>> privilege of being a very active member and leader on many
> >>> >>>>>> different levels.  As part of that experience, I served on a
> >>> >>>>>> committee which was formed in 2013, maybe even late 2012, whose
> >>> >>>>>> purpose was to develop our plan for celebrating the 75th
> >>> >>>>>> Anniversary of the Federation.  After some discussion, we
> decided
> >>> >>>>>> that it was time to rebrand our messaging so that we could more
> >>> >>>>>> effectively communicate who we are.  One part of that rebranding
> >>> >>>>>> was changing our tagline from  "we are changing what it means to
> >>> >>>>>> be blind" to the current "live the life you want!"  Beyond just
> >>> >>>>>> the tagline, we developed a comprehensive brand architecture
> which
> >>> >>>>>> has many elements that would serve as an excellent focal point
> for
> >>> >>>>>> future discussions.  In any event, I mention all this because I
> >>> >>>>>> think I have some idea of what we intended regarding the message
> >>> >>>>>> we were attempting to  communicate.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Ever since I have been involved in the NFB, there has been this
> >>> >>>>>> conception that the NFB only supports and celebrates the "super
> >>> >>>>>> blind" and that if you don't go about blindness in a very
> specific
> >>> >>>>>> manner, you are not really living the life the NFB endorses.  I
> >>> >>>>>> emphatically and whole heartedly believe that this misconception
> >>> >>>>>> is not true!  There is no such thing as a model Federationist,
> and
> >>> >>>>>> there certainly is not one, singular script from which we must
> all
> >>> >>>>>> lead our lives.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> The idea of "live the life you want!" is that your blindness
> >>> >>>>>> should not hold you back from pursuing your dreams and
> ambitions.
> >>> >>>>>> Undeniably all of our dreams and ambitions  are limited and
> >>> >>>>>> somewhat governed by the realities we face, whether those are
> >>> >>>>>> financial, educational, , health based, or otherwise.  There is
> no
> >>> >>>>>> one way to live the life you want.  It doesn't matter if you are
> >>> >>>>>> pursuing a high stakes profession, working from home,
> volunteering
> >>> >>>>>> in the community, or not working at all.  Our main message is
> that
> >>> >>>>>> whatever you are doing with       your life, your blindness
> should
> >>> >>>>>> not be the chief reason holding you back from whatever brings
> you
> >>> >>>>>> fulfillment and purpose in life.  Our one minute message,
> another
> >>> >>>>>> creation of our rebranding, brings this point out.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is
> not
> >>> >>>>>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we
> >>> >>>>>> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations
> >>> >>>>>> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can
> live
> >>> >>>>>> the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back."
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> A key part of this message is that we are raising expectations.
> >>> >>>>>> That has both an external and internal aspects to it.  On the
> >>> >>>>>> external side, we are working to convince the general population
> >>> >>>>>> that they can and should expect more from us.  All of us often
> run
> >>> >>>>>> into very low expectations held by the public.  Pretty much
> every
> >>> >>>>>> time I travel to and through an airport somebody tells me how
> >>> >>>>>> amazing I am for simply putting one foot in front of another.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> On the internal side, we should encourage one another to become
> >>> >>>>>> the best versions of ourselves that we can.  Doing so must
> always
> >>> >>>>>> be done with love and understanding.  Every year that I am in
> the
> >>> >>>>>> Federation, I learn so much from our members on how I can lead
> my
> >>> >>>>>> life in a better way, a new technology trick or something that
> >>> >>>>>> enhances my independent travel or whatever it might be.  I
> >>> >>>>>> certainly haven't figured it all out, and I know that some
> times I
> >>> >>>>>> do in fact let my blindness limit me in a way that isn't truly
> >>> >>>>>> necessary.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Regardless, we must accept people where they are in their lives
> >>> >>>>>> and be ready to encourage them to achieve more when that is
> >>> >>>>>> appropriate.  This is what we aim to do at our centers.  We work
> >>> >>>>>> with people from all walks of life and who have a wide variety
> of
> >>> >>>>>> challenges.  No student's program is or should be the same.  We
> >>> >>>>>> have some general policies and expectations, but same are always
> >>> >>>>>> adjusted to the individual student.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Living the life you want is all about independence and freedom.
> >>> >>>>>> As our founder Dr. tenBroek so eloquently  put it, we have a
> right
> >>> >>>>>> to live in the world.  That means we have the right to be free
> and
> >>> >>>>>> independent and to determine our own destiny.  The exact
> mechanism
> >>> >>>>>> we use to achieve that freedom and independence is not the key
> >>> >>>>>> issue, but rather that we  know and believe that we have the
> right
> >>> >>>>>> to achieve it.  I think the Federation's best speech regarding
> >>> >>>>>> independence is the Nature of Independence by Dr. Jernigan from
> >>> >>>>>> the 1993 Convention.  If you haven't read it, I encourage that
> you
> >>> >>>>>> do so.    It is available through our national website.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Before closing this out, I want to address another point Jenny
> >>> >>>>>> raised in her original message, the idea that perhaps we some
> >>> >>>>>> times focus and emphasize success stories based on traditional
> >>> >>>>>> notions of success and that we don't celebrate other forms of
> >>> >>>>>> achievement.  I think this is a great point, and we should
> >>> >>>>>> endeavor to paint a more comprehensive picture.  Convincing an
> >>> >>>>>> animal shelter to let you volunteer despite your blindness is
> just
> >>> >>>>>> as important as someone winning a national scholarship based on
> >>> >>>>>> academic achievement at the highest level.  Both are part of
> >>> >>>>>> living the life we want.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> In closing, I want to share two other element from our brand
> >>> >>>>>> architecture, the Brand Promise and Value Proposition.  I do
> this
> >>> >>>>>> because, for me, it so eloquently sums up why I am involved in
> our
> >>> >>>>>> Federation.  "Together with love, hope, and determination, we
> >>> >>>>>> transform dreams into reality.  I am filled with hope, energy,
> and
> >>> >>>>>> love by participating in the National Federation of the Blind
> >>> >>>>>> because my expectations are raised, my contributions make a
> >>> >>>>>> difference to me and to others, and I can celebrate the
> >>> >>>>>> realization of my dreams with my Federation family."
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Warmly,
> >>> >>>>>> Scott
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
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