[Colorado-Talk] DIA Accessibility

Wed Jun 5 20:57:19 UTC 2024

Dan, thanks for clarification. It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been off in the weeds. And it won’t be the last. Although, I think my comment was appropriate to the conversation. That is to say, there will be some rules relative to the recent change in state law And that Ira has a contract with the state and Ira has a contract with Denver international airport. What I really am trying to do is promote using the Aira con tract with the state of Colorado because it can be used on all state property. The team dealing with access technologies out of the governors office advocated for that contract. So if we don’t use it? We will lose it.

At Your Service,
Kevan Worley

On Jun 5, 2024, at 1:37 PM, Dan Burke via Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

You're all off in the weeds. The rules will be crafted to implement the state law that just passed. That was the post Tim made to kick off this thread. Even though DIA is part of Denver, it will be covered by this law and the subsequent rules, including the wayfinding provisions

My point was that depending on how the rules process goes and how wayfinding is defined, DIA might be compliant already with its Aira contract.

But the big takeaway is that the NFB needs to be a major contributor to this rule process, or we could have an accommodation imposed on us that we neither need nor want.

Dan

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 6:33 PM Theresa Montano via Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Yes, this is what I’m saying.  I am responsible for the state contract, so I’m well aware who owns what.
That is what I stated, thank you for validating.

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The Ira con tract regarding the airport is with the city of Denver airport. But there is a contract between Ira and the state of Colorado to provide free! Free iris service on all state property. This includes universities and parks, operated by the state of Colorado. I I know that there are some state employees benefiting from this.
At Your Service,
Kevan Worley

On Jun 4, 2024, at 4:03 PM, Theresa Montano via Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Aira contract is not with the state.  The City and County of Denver owns that.
So we as the state wouldn’t apply Rules.
Unless I’m out of the loop on something regarding the Rules!  😝

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The devil will be in the details, of course, because the state rules have to be crafted and published. By some definitions, Aira would be considered wayfinding technology an d thus DIA would already be in compliance.

BTW, there's no way the rules will be ready for a good while.
Dan

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:38 AM kevan nfbco.org<http://nfbco.org/> via Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
I use Aria at DIA and many other airports. Now you got me curious! Wayfinding technology often means many different things. I wonder what the aspiration is for this project. I know that SFO has received a lot of acclaim for the work the San Francisco Light House and its partners have done. But I haven't flown through there since before pandemic. Again, maybe we need a little group to dig into this a little bit. I’m going to reach out to COS airport director today as a follow-up here.

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Looks like it could be something by a company called Lazarillo, which won a SmartCities competition last year. Sounds a lot like GoodMaps, which I found pretty helpful in Louisville's airport a couple years a go.

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Lazarillo selected to install accessible way finding technology in the denver international airport<https://lazarillo.app/uncategorized/denverairportannouncement/>
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On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:46 AM, Tim Keenan via Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

That’s great! It says it’s supposed to be operational by the middle of the year. Supposed to be. 😊
I’m flying in late July and again in late August, so naturally, I’m super curious how this is going to work.
I hope they’re bringing in blind travelers to help test it.

Thanks,
Tim

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We absolutely included wayfinding as something that needed to be included in DIA accessibility.

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On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 9:23 AM Curtis Chong via Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Hello Tim:

I don't know what is planned in terms of wayfinding technology for the blind, but I do know that the Denver International Airport is an Aira free zone, meaning that none of your minutes are used if you use Aira at the airport.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

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Subject: [Colorado-Talk] DIA Accessibility

Hi, all,
I was intrigued by this little slice of an article I read in the Denver Post about a bill to improve accessibility at DIA:
Before it was amended, the bill provided grounds for potential lawsuits if the airport failed to meet several deadlines that are still set out in the legislation. Those include installing wayfinding technology to serve people who are blind or vision impaired by the middle of this year;

Say what? Anyone know anything about this?

Thanks,
Tim

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